Atheist tribe deconverts missionary.

[wes mantooth]

that being said, what good is a belief in god anyways? well, if you can understand the logical nessissity of him, then it can scare you into acting right. otherwise, you live in ignorance, pretending life after death will be comfortbale... when you should realise that if you dont live a good life it will be very uncomfortbale.

Im not sure you grasp the concept of Atheism. There is no pretending, there is no "uncomfortable" afterlife. There is alive...and DEAD. Period. No cloud floating with angels, nor brimstone and hellfire. Just worm dirt. There is no heaven, no hell, no limbo, no God, no devil.

But you did bring up a valid point unknowingly. Religion is based in fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of reprisal, fear into "morality".

[Reeves]

Unlike what is thought there was no established christian religion to begin with... a unified chrisitanity wasn't established until hundreds of years after jesus. So its hard to say what true christianity really is.

I'm an atheist.  And you are...?

[haider]

listen assholes    im just trying to shed some light upon your dark philosophies. the fact of the matter is that there will never be a scientific explanation for existence. that is the ONLY fact that can not be doubted. every other fact, besides facts that are circular or self-referencing, are open to doubt. neither induction or deduction are valid forms for finding certainty. (cant based the future off the past, and youll never have a sufficient sample pool. ) and you criticise god because arguments for him tend to be circular? the only thing you can trust is circular.

well from your line of reasoning it seems to be that you cannot prove/disprove god with certainty because you are limited by induction/deduction.

I've never taken a philosophy course, so I'm assuming your line of reasoning with its jargon to argue the above.

[wes mantooth]

best part about "Christians" is they would be the first to label Jesus as a fucking weirdo....

[tbombz]

Im not sure you grasp the concept of Atheism. There is no pretending, there is no "uncomfortable" afterlife. There is alive...and DEAD. Period. No cloud floating with angels, nor brimstone and hellfire. Just worm dirt. There is no heaven, no hell, no limbo, no God, no devil.

But you did bring up a valid point unknowingly. Religion is based in fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of reprisal, fear into "morality".

absolutely. for an atheists there is no pain, no cold, no loneliness in death. sounds pretty nice to me  

Ignorance is bliss.

yes, for the atheist it truly is.

[tbombz]

well from your line of reasoning it seems to be that you cannot prove/disprove god with certainty because you are limited by induction/deduction.

I've never taken a philosophy course, so I'm assuming your line of reasoning with its jargon to argue the above.

 

"inference to best explanation" ---> "abductive reasoning"

[wes mantooth]

absolutely. for an atheists there is no pain, no cold, no loneliness in death. sounds pretty nice to me  

 yes, for the atheist it truly is.

ummm, there is no difference in death between a believer in God and an athiest. I think you have it backwards. If anything, death for an atheist would be worse because of the realization that once you are dead....thats it. That is a reality check. If you are a believer, you get to go to heaven...isnt that one of the reasons why you believe? to go to heaven when you die?

[Reeves]

Im not sure you grasp the concept of Atheism. There is no pretending, there is no "uncomfortable" afterlife. There is alive...and DEAD. Period. No cloud floating with angels, nor brimstone and hellfire. Just worm dirt. There is no heaven, no hell, no limbo, no God, no devil.

But you did bring up a valid point unknowingly. Religion is based in fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of reprisal, fear into "morality".

Actually, there is some thought given to what happens when we are dead.  I'm an atheist and find it at times quite disconcerting to realize that when I'm dead, that's it.  Nothing.  The hope that Christians have doesn't belong to me and in a way I envy them that.  As for fear, yup.  Fear has a lot to do with religion but nothing to do with faith.  I choose not to believe in a God, god  or gods.  I choose to not believe and refuse to belittle those that have a genuine faith in Jesus that they not only profess but live.

Believe me, there are plenty of fake Christians that are assholes, but there's more than enough atheists that are fucktards as well.  The former are liars and the latter are just being, well, fucktards.  I haven't a clue as to what tbombz really believes but can guarantee its not in the Christ because if you're a man and suck the dick, you lose the kingdom.  And that is the word of Sam Kinison.

[Fury]

He made up his own prophecy of how god came to be in this thread, listen to tbombz the prophet and he will save your godforsaken soul!!

Tbombz is just the know-it-all prophet of the God known as Google. Bow down before its algorithmic power!

[che]

We are all born atheists .
                                      I hope this helps.

[Cableguy]

give me one piece of logic that indicates God isnt necessary.   (existence demands a creator)




cause-->effect

without a cause, there is no effect.

if something exists, it was caused.

 

I wonder who or what created God?

[tbombz]

ummm, there is no difference in death between a believer in God and an athiest. I think you have it backwards. If anything, death for an atheist would be worse because of the realization that once you are dead....thats it. That is a reality check. If you are a believer, you get to go to heaven...isnt that one of the reasons why you believe? to go to heaven when you die?

nah, at this point in my life i feel like death for me will be cold, lonely, empty, and horrible. i believe simply because i see the logical nessecity for god. and also because i witness his magnificence on a daily basis.  

btw there hasnt been one decent argument against god in this whole threade. please someone come up with some decent logical arguments. i like discussing this but yall just suck. you even put much thought into your beliefs? wait, you dont have a belief, yall have lack of belief. and that requires no thought at all. LOL  

[tbombz]

We are all born atheists .
                                      I hope this helps.

well we are all born unable to feed ourselves as well. 

[che]

well we are all born unable to feed ourselves as well. 

OK

[tbombz]

OK

we are also born unable to talk. unable to walk.

if we are born without knowledge of god, but we come to learn of him. does this mean he is not real? if we are born without knowledge of how to eat, does this mean that the ability to eat is not necessary for our survival?  

[Reeves]

nah, at this point in my life i feel like death for me will be cold, lonely, empty, and horrible. i believe simply because i see the logical nessecity for god. and also because i witness his magnificence on a daily basis.  

btw there hasnt been one decent argument against god in this whole threade. please someone come up with some decent logical arguments. i like discussing this but yall just suck. you even put much thought into your beliefs? wait, you dont have a belief, yall have lack of belief. and that requires no thought at all. LOL  

I will not make fun of a person's genuine faith in Jesus.  Neither will I argue against such faith, what I do is simply state what I hold to be true and allow comparison between opposing lines of thought.  You and I disagree on somethings, but I am curious as to what it is you have chosen to believe in with regard to religion or better, faith?

[haider]

 

"inference to best explanation" ---> "abductive reasoning"

same argument was used to deny evolution where there wasnt enough information to say where the complexity in life came from. The best possible explanation can only be as good as the available information.

We really could go into more detail about this, but I dont really have the time (and to an extent the interest) to do a more thorough discussion. My apologies.

[tbombz]

I will not make fun of a person's genuine faith in Jesus.  Neither will I argue against such faith, what I do is simply state what I hold to be true and allow comparison between opposing lines of thought.  You and I disagree on somethings, but I am curious as to what it is you have chosen to believe in with regard to religion or better, faith?

if you think that homoseuxality is morally wrong, then you are way too far behind for me to talk about such subjects with you. you still need to learn basic logic.

[Reeves]

Unlike what is thought there was no established christian religion to begin with... a unified chrisitanity wasn't established until hundreds of years after jesus. So its hard to say what true christianity really is.

Since you must have missed it, again.  I am atheist and your beliefs or lack thereof are...?

[haider]

Since you must have missed it, again.  I am atheist and your beliefs or lack thereof are...?

Sorry. thought we went over this before, I'm Muslim.

[big L dawg]

haha basic logic haha....logic has no place in your religious dogma...

[tbombz]

same argument was used to deny evolution where there wasnt enough information to say where the complexity in life came from. The best possible explanation can only be as good as the available information.

We really could go into more detail about this, but I dont really have the time (and to an extent the interest) to do a more thorough discussion. My apologies.

i think you misunderstood me. but we seem to be on the same page, just different sides of it. (were both believers, your just a bit more skeptical of our ability to draw certain conclusions). its all good bruddah

[Reeves]

if you think that homoseuxality is morally wrong, then you are way too far behind for me to talk about such subjects with you. you still need to learn basic logic.

Ok.  By omission you are not Christian or Hebrew.  New Age hocus pocus, or what? By the way, I find homosexuality, either male or female, to be both disgusting and illogical.  Your words read as though you desire to rationalize homosexuality.  Every major "religion", even that espoused by the Dali Lama himself, finds homosexuality to be wrong and/or undesirable.  Don't like it?  Get used to disappointment.

And if you can't talk about such subjects with me it is only because you will not like the answer(s) I may or may not provide.  Simple really. 

[Reeves]

Sorry. thought we went over this before, I'm Muslim.

What are your thoughts on violence against People of the Book, even when espoused by an imam?

[#1 Klaus fan]

xerxez what is on the inside of an atom? what makes up the outer layer of the atom? what material is that? what is it made of? and what is the substance that the material that makes up the outer layer of an atom made of? how is it made, and what is IT made of?  

God of gaps. Try harder.