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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2011, 09:20:26 AM »
you haven't bothered to post a clip of Matthews so I'm not sure what you're referring too.  Here's a clip (not sure if it's the one you're referring to).   Pay attention to around the 1.30 minute mark.

It's comletely legitimate to talk about the rhetoric that Palin and others have used but that's not the same as blaming her for this event

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hd6U6UZu8z

No its not since even his friends said he was not political and did not listen to radio or cable news.   He did not even vote in 2010 midterms.

So again - this whole thing is nothing but a typical whinefest of the far left pussies looking to attack palin for no reason at all.       

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2011, 09:30:57 AM »
No its not since even his friends said he was not political and did not listen to radio or cable news.   He did not even vote in 2010 midterms.

So again - this whole thing is nothing but a typical whinefest of the far left pussies looking to attack palin for no reason at all.      

your first setence is referring to the shooter?

I wrote here before he ws even identified that we'd find out this person was crazy and that would be the "cause" of this tragic event.

Yes, it is completely legitimate to talk about the rhetoric and symbolism that politicians use.   They were talking about Palins map, Angle, etc.. BEFORE this happened.   It's part of the political climate and it's legitimate to talk about it.

I don't suppose you watched the clip did you.

If you did you'd see Howard Fineman say about Palin  

"that doesn't mean she's in any way responsible for this...to underscore that"

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2011, 09:35:12 AM »
No its not since even his friends said he was not political and did not listen to radio or cable news.   He did not even vote in 2010 midterms.

So again - this whole thing is nothing but a typical whinefest of the far left pussies looking to attack palin for no reason at all.       


Youre a pussy whining about T-shirts

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2011, 09:36:33 AM »

Youre a pussy whining about T-shirts

he also whines about how Obama decorates the Oval Office


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2011, 09:56:50 AM »
he also whines about how Obama decorates the Oval Office


GTFO!!!!!!! ::)
I didnt see that

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2011, 09:58:19 AM »
GTFO!!!!!!! ::)
I didnt see that

I said it was ugly and tacky, like everything else they do.   

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2011, 11:12:04 AM »
lol straw man being the willingfully ignorant rub that he is

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2011, 11:20:09 AM »
you haven't bothered to post a clip of Matthews so I'm not sure what you're referring too.  Here's a clip (not sure if it's the one you're referring to).   Pay attention to around the 1.30 minute mark.

It's comletely legitimate to talk about the rhetoric that Palin and others have used but that's not the same as blaming her for this event

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hd6U6UZu8z
[Keith Olbermann - Special Comment On Gabrielle Giffords Shooting]
[Keith Theodore Olbermann January 27, 1959]
Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. We need to put the guns down. Just as importantly we need to put the gun metaphors away and permanently.

Left, right, middle – politicians and citizens – sane and insane. This morning in Arizona, this age in which this country would accept “targeting” of political opponents and putting bullseyes over their faces and of the dangerous blurring between political rallies and gun shows, ended.

This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,

If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20 Representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own part however, tangential in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be dismissed from politics – she must be repudiated by the members of her own party, and if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling, and they must in turn be dismissed by the responsible members of their own party.
who is olberdousch blaming then? who is he referring to when he says those politicians that have brought us to this time of domestic terrorism?

well if you look at his next paragraph you see one of them...

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2011, 01:12:18 PM »
who is olberdousch blaming then? who is he referring to when he says those politicians that have brought us to this time of domestic terrorism?

well if you look at his next paragraph you see one of them...

I don't see him blaming Palin for the actions of Loughner

I see him saying that she should repudiate violent rhetoric, images, etc..

I also saw him apologize for his own poor choice of words

I guess you think he's blaming himself for Loughners actions

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2011, 03:28:54 PM »
I don't see him blaming Palin for the actions of Loughner

I see him saying that she should repudiate violent rhetoric, images, etc..

I also saw him apologize for his own poor choice of words

I guess you think he's blaming himself for Loughners actions
"those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism"

WHAT POLITICIANS DO YOU THINK HE IS BLAMING THEN?

he is obviously saying that these ppls actions had something to do with the incident...

you disagree that he is saying that?


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2011, 05:15:42 PM »
"those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism"
WHAT POLITICIANS DO YOU THINK HE IS BLAMING THEN?
he is obviously saying that these ppls actions had something to do with the incident...
you disagree that he is saying that?

Is this from Olberman

how about posting the entire paragraph


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #86 on: January 14, 2011, 05:36:59 PM »
Is this from Olberman

how about posting the entire paragraph


yup olberdousch

"This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,"

What politicians do you think he feels brought us to this time of domestic terrorism?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2011, 06:40:58 PM »
GTFO!!!!!!! ::)
I didnt see that

Oh god.  Did you miss that?  Xmas 2009.  Dude was suffering through a losing battle of delusions and whinings that his brain doling out.

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2011, 06:41:39 PM »
I said it was ugly and tacky, like everything else they do.   

Bullshit.

Since you seem to like to bump two year old threads, why not bump that one and we can all see exactly what you said. 

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2011, 07:01:00 PM »
yup olberdousch

"This morning in Arizona, this time of the ever-escalating, borderline-ecstatic invocation of violence in fact or in fantasy in our political discourse, closed. It is essential tonight not to demand revenge, but to demand justice; to insist not upon payback against those politicians and commentators who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic terrorism,"

What politicians do you think he feels brought us to this time of domestic terrorism?


he said politicians and commentators

since he apologized for his own poor choice of words I'm guessing he must blame himself in some way

who were you thinking about?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2011, 08:54:08 AM »

he said politicians and commentators

since he apologized for his own poor choice of words I'm guessing he must blame himself in some way

who were you thinking about?
thats fine he can be as idiotic as he wants as long as it only pertains to him...

now what politicians do you think he is referring to?

is there any proof anywhere that politics or politicians played a role in this?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2011, 10:42:22 AM »
thats fine he can be as idiotic as he wants as long as it only pertains to him...
now what politicians do you think he is referring to?

is there any proof anywhere that politics or politicians played a role in this?

just to be clear

do you think he was blaming himself in any way?


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2011, 11:24:14 AM »
just to be clear

do you think he was blaming himself in any way?


he said if he had...so he made it a possibility...

he however didnt make it a possibility when he said "politicians and commentators that have brought us to this time of domestic terrorism" that my friend is saying those ppl are responsible for it...

just to be clear are you ready to take back the idiocy that nobody is blaming palin?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2011, 11:32:11 AM »
he said if he had...so he made it a possibility...

he however didnt make it a possibility when he said "politicians and commentators that have brought us to this time of domestic terrorism" that my friend is saying those ppl are responsible for it...

just to be clear are you ready to take back the idiocy that nobody is blaming palin?

sure, as soon as you show me someone (not some stupid blogger) actually blaming Palin

btw - Olberman mentions Angle and West too

why no tears of pity for them?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2011, 11:40:56 AM »
sure, as soon as you show me someone (not some stupid blogger) actually blaming Palin

btw - Olberman mentions Angle and West too

why no tears of pity for them?



January 14, 2011 http://detnews.com/article/20110114/MIVIEW/101140359

Dingell: Giffords shot because Palin and GOP 'were putting crosshairs on her'

HENRY PAYNE



The Michigan View.com

John Dingell has not been shy this week about using the Tucson massacre for political advantage.

The View.com reported Thursday morning that the senior member of Michigan's Congressional delegation - and the longest-serving U.S. House member - took to the House floor Wednesday afternoon to add more fuel to the narrative that Sarah Palin and Republicans were responsible for the shooting - even as President Obama was in the air to Tucson for a memorial service in which he would ask that politicians not "use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another."

But it was not the first time Dingell had spun his conspiracy theory.

On Monday at the Detroit Auto Show, Dingell was even more explicit - without any facts whatsoever - that Palin had provided a road map for Jared Loughner to kill Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

"Gabrielle Giffords had one of the great pundits of the far right come out and talk about how they were putting crosshairs on her," Dingell told Nathan Bomey of AnnArbor.com while visiting Cobo. "It took only a little while for some fellow to believe, well, you know, that's the case."

Dingell's Monday accusation came as evidence mounted that politics had nothing to do with shooter Jared Loughner's rampage. By Wednesday, when Dingell repeated the libel back in Washington on the House floor, there was no doubt that Loughner was a deranged individual that not only was divorced from politics - he was divorced from the real world.

He was suspended from school "after police officers who removed him from a biology class told the school they believed he had mental health problems," reports the Wall Street Journal. And Zack Osler, a friend of Loughner's, told ABC News that "he did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn't listen to political radio. He didn't take sides. He wasn't on the left. He wasn't on the right."

No matter. Dingell followed his Michigan colleague, Sen. Debbie Stabenow, in fingering conservative "hate speech" for Loughner's actions.

"I saw the district of Gabrielle Giffords has a crosshairs put on it," said Dingell departing from his prepared text. "As a lifetime rifleman and shooter, I know what crosshairs signify when you put them on somebody and I know what happened. And one other thing: 'if ballots don't work, bullets will.'"

Using hyperbole typical of his party's strategy to use the Gifford's shooting to change the GOP's legislative momentum, Dingell compared Republican rhetoric to the racism of the civil rights movement, declaring the current political atmosphere the worst he has ever seen.

"Mr. Speaker, I have seen firsthand the anger brought on by landmark, life-changing legislation. The rage during the civil rights debates was unlike anything I had seen, until now," said the longest-serving member of Congress.

"Within the last year I have witnessed anger at my community events that rival the behavior I witnessed during the civil rights debates," he continued in reference to a heated town hall debate in the midst of Democrats' attempt in 2010 to force through Obamacare against broad popular disapproval.

"What is different today is not the anger and apprehension felt by some in this country, but the inciting speech, dare I say encouragement, given by well-established folks in the seemingly mainstream political parties," he said before ticking off the usual litany of quotes - taken out of context - by Nevada Republican candidate Sharron Angle, Texas GOP candidate Stephen Broden, Michele Bachmann (R-Minnesota), conservative commentator Glenn Beck, and finally Palin's signature: "Don't retreat, reload."

Dingell's lesson was entirely partisan, as he included no controversial examples from the Left such as Bill Maher's riffs on wanting Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh dead or even now-President Obama's famous quote from a 2008 Philadelphia campaign speech: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

Politics, as Charles Kruathammer pointed out, is a natural theater for battleground rhetoric. Indeed, Michigan is regularly referenced as "a battleground state." Why? "Because fighting and warfare are the most routine of political metaphors," writes Krauthammer. "Indeed, the very word for an electoral contest — 'campaign' — is an appropriation from warfare."

Perhaps Obama understood this as he tried to damp his colleagues' raging rhetoric at the Tucson memorial service Wednesday night. His speech "was a non-accusatory, genuinely civil, case for civility, in stark contrast to what we've read and heard over the last few days," reviewed Rich Lowry of the National Review. "He subtly rebuked the Left's finger-pointing, and rose above the rancor of both sides, exactly as a president should."

Sadly, Dingell has shown no such leadership.

"Members of this body have a duty to speak up - as do members of the media - who have been saying these kinds of things," Dingell concluded on the House floor. "(They) will lead us into a time when we will create a threat not just to the lives and well-being of our members but also to the lives and well-being of this country and its debates."

Henry Payne is editor of The Michigan View.com


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2011, 11:48:27 AM »
you finally found someone

very stupid comments by Dingel


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2011, 11:51:32 AM »
Please - that is just what i came across on FR in the last 5 min.   

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #97 on: January 15, 2011, 11:52:45 AM »
sure, as soon as you show me someone (not some stupid blogger) actually blaming Palin

btw - Olberman mentions Angle and West too

why no tears of pity for them?
yes he does and he mentions PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

fact is not one of them is to blame for the shooting like he said they were

face it straw olberdousch blammed alot of ppl for the shooting, do you disagree?

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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #98 on: January 15, 2011, 11:59:03 AM »
Please - that is just what i came across on FR in the last 5 min.   

you're on the computer 24/7 and you couldn't find that until now?

btw - I think this guy could have just as easily shot up his school.

check out this youtube video (I assume it's real but have no verification).


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Re: Death threats against Palin increase
« Reply #99 on: January 15, 2011, 12:00:23 PM »
you're on the computer 24/7 and you couldn't find that until now?

btw - I think this guy could have just as easily shot up his school.

check out this youtube video (I assume it's real but have no verification).


would you have been ok if olberdousch had blamed palin et al for that too?

youre certainly ok for him blaming them for this one...

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