There is no pump at all in those photos, and in fact when I post the progress pics I won't pump up either. The thing is, I'm not really sure how to go about getting the seperation and density. Should I get absolutely shredded 1st, then put on more size while staying shredded, or try to do both at the same time, gain more size while simultaneously getting leaner? I think the 1st route might be better, get shredded first, then add the size after I'm shredded. Thanks for the props about my bis Mr. N, but I think that you gotta be joking man, coz my biceps suck ass. They are BY FAR my worst upper body part. And in fact, that's a big part of this "project" to say what I can with these shit biceps of mine.