On Roe V. Wade Anniversary, Abortion Foes Increasingly Confident of 'Cultural Sh

[Straw Man]

i was going to say the same thing.  what if the woman wants to get an abortion and the man is against it?  "Don't kill my baby" he says.  "Fuck you", she tells him.  "I'm killing it.".  Now does the same rule apply to her?  She could have simply chosen not to have sex.  But now she is responsible for the man's child.  If he must own up and face the responsibility then she would have to as well.  Your scenario only accounts for the opposite.  Again, I hate how libs view pregnancy as something that happened TO the woman.  She made a chioce.  And if you say "well she gave has to give birth to the baby so she has the right to kill it" I just simply disagree and think that's just bullshit logic and unfair.

I guess we can either lock up women and force them to give birth or we can let the man father as many kids as he wants without taking any responsiblity and thus shift the burden of responsibility to the taxpayer

I think the best solution would be for the woman to give the man the fertilized egg and let him do whatever he wants with it.    

[tonymctones]

I guess we can either lock up women and force them to give birth or we can let the man father as many kids as he wants without taking any responsiblity and thus shift the burden of responsibility to the taxpayer

I think the best solution would be for the woman to give the man the fertilized egg and let him do whatever he wants with it.    

read the bold part straw, do you understand that we let women do this right now?

[tonymctones]

there are also other options bro its not so black and white

if the women wants to have an abortion and the man doesnt have her pay some monetary amount. If you want to get real ironic have her pay a % of her pay check for 18 years...

garuntee alot more ppl would use protection

[Straw Man]

can women get abortion after abortion leaving the men who may want them childless?

this is not actually a problem in the real world

If a man wants children he'll probalby be smart enough to find a woman who wants to have children with him.

lol sorry straw either they both get a choice or neither should

so basically this is your round about way of saying you're opposed to abortion ?

you keep arguing the current system is "unfair" and the only two solutions you have are to change the abortion laws (i.e. forcing women to have children they don't want) or letting the men walk away

that pretty much sums up your position right?

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ps:  I kow you're going to say you don't want to force woman to give birth against their will but then we're only left with your idea that men can just "walk away".......something you're both in favor of and opposed to

[Straw Man]

read the bold part straw, do you understand that we let women do this right now?

no we don't

right now we hold both parents responsible although the reality is that sometimes neither father or mother acts responsibly

[tonymctones]

this is not actually a problem in the real world

If a man wants children he'll probalby be smart enough to find a woman who wants to have children with him.

so basically this is your round about way of saying you're opposed to abortion ?

you keep arguing the current system is "unfair" and the only two solutions you have are to change the abortion laws (i.e. forcing women to have children they don't want) or letting the men walk away

that pretty much sums up your position right?

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ps:  I kow you're going to say you don't want to force woman to give birth against their will but then we're only left with your idea that men can just "walk away".......something you're both in favor of and opposed to

LOL  abortions arent really a problem in real life?

[tonymctones]

no we don't

right now we hold both parents responsible although the reality is that sometimes neither father or mother acts responsibly

LMFAO

how is the women held responsible straw man?

[bears]

I guess we can either lock up women and force them to give birth or we can let the man father as many kids as he wants without taking any responsiblity and thus shift the burden of responsibility to the taxpayer

I think the best solution would be for the woman to give the man the fertilized egg and let him do whatever he wants with it.    

there is no good answer.  bad things happen.  we have the choice.  make adults take responsibility for their behavior or kill babies.  we live in a culture that opts to kill babies.  why?  well because they can't see who they are killing.  no one ever knew who they are killing.  makes everything a lot easier and a shitload more fun.  i mean it's not like I don't get it.  i totally get why abortion makes life easier for everyone.  but that doesn't necessarily make it right in my mind.

[Straw Man]

LMFAO

how is the women held responsible straw man?

are you joking

if a women gives birth (and doesn't give it up for adoption)  then BOTH she and the father are responsible for supporting the kid

are you not actually aware of this?

 

[Straw Man]

there is no good answer.  bad things happen.  we have the choice.  make adults take responsibility for their behavior or kill babies.  we live in a culture that opts to kill babies.  why?  well because they can't see who they are killing.  no one ever knew who they are killing.  makes everything a lot easier and a shitload more fun.  i mean it's not like I don't get it.  i totally get why abortion makes life easier for everyone.  but that doesn't necessarily make it right in my mind.

ok but abortion is not actually killing babies

I know people who are anti-abortion like to portray it as such

[Straw Man]

LOL  abortions arent really a problem in real life?

they haven't been a problem for me

how about you?

[tonymctones]

are you joking

if a women gives birth (and doesn't give it up for adoption)  then BOTH she and the father are responsible for supporting the kid

are you not actually aware of this?

 

IF IF IF, you moron....

the women isnt held responsible SHE CHOOOOOSSSESSSS to be responsible

THE MAN IS HELD RESPONSIBLE

[tonymctones]

they haven't been a problem for me

how about you?

lol so there has never been a man who wanted to keep their child that was aborted?

there wasnt a man who didnt want the child who is forced to be responsible for it?

[George Whorewell]

If a woman is raped, becomes pregnant and then has the child; at which point before or after the birth the police apprehend the rapist and he is convicted and sent to prison, will the victim recieve child support derived from the incarcerated father or are all parental responsibilities forefited (including the responsibility to pay support) at the moment the defendant is convicted of rape? Explain your answer and include full citations to relevant case law. 500-750 words

Interesting law school exam type question I just pulled out of thin air.

[Straw Man]

If a woman is raped, becomes pregnant and then has the child; at which point before or after the birth the police apprehend the rapist and he is convicted and sent to prison, will the victim recieve child support derived from the incarcerated father or are all parental responsibilities forefited (including the responsibility to pay support) at the moment the defendant is convicted of rape? Explain your answer and include full citations to relevant case law. 500-750 words

Interesting law school exam type question I just pulled out of thin air.

you're a lawyer?

[newmom]

If a woman is raped, becomes pregnant and then has the child; at which point before or after the birth the police apprehend the rapist and he is convicted and sent to prison, will the victim recieve child support derived from the incarcerated father or are all parental responsibilities forefited (including the responsibility to pay support) at the moment the defendant is convicted of rape? Explain your answer and include full citations to relevant case law. 500-750 words

Interesting law school exam type question I just pulled out of thin air.

that's an interesting case logic there. Perhaps attach his wages, tax returns..and I'm not going on lexus nexus to citate shit..been there done that

[bears]

ok but abortion is not actually killing babies

I know people who are anti-abortion like to portray it as such

yeah it is.  here.  next time you see a pregnant woman.  ask her what the fuck that thing is in her belly.  she'll tell you. 

[Soul Crusher]

you're a lawyer?

Yes, GW is a lawyer.   

[bears]

ok but abortion is not actually killing babies

I know people who are anti-abortion like to portray it as such

it's insane to me that you simply refuse to call it what it is.  let's put it this way.  if i kick the shit out of a pregnant woman and her baby dies.  thats murder.  and the courts recognize this now.  so they disagree with you.  and thats the law.  you are big on that.

[Straw Man]

yeah it is.  here.  next time you see a pregnant woman.  ask her what the fuck that thing is in her belly.  she'll tell you. 

well you have your opinion but my opinion along with the medical community is that a cluster of cells is not a baby

if it were then we could just take out the cluster of cells and give it to the father and say here's your baby

it would look something like this period (.) in real life

[bears]

well you have your opinion but my opinion along with the medical community is that a cluster of cells is not a baby

if it were then we could just take out the cluster of cells and give it to the father and say here's your baby

it would look something like this period (.) in real life

what about at 19.5 weeks?  cluster of cells or baby?

[Straw Man]

Yes, GW is a lawyer.   

are you his spokesperson?

[Straw Man]

what about at 19.5 weeks?  cluster of cells or baby?

what does the medical community say?

[bears]

what does the medical community say?

no hard agreement among the medical community.  many different opinions.

[Straw Man]

no hard agreement among the medical community.  many different opinions.

well then it seems unlikely that you and I will agree