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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2011, 09:47:53 PM »
Its the obama way - pay more get less. 

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2011, 12:38:02 AM »
WHere have you been? This thing was passed 3 or 4 years ago. Talk radio reported it pretty much the week that it happened. Thats what happens when you elect Democrats. Yes, I know Bush signed it into law, but it was a part of a much bigger bill with many other things in it.

Incidentally, I actuallly use mostly CFLs in a desperate attempt to save electricity costs. But I like having the CHOICE to buy incandescent light bulbs whenever I like. I do use one or two incadescent bulbs for my fragrance oil. The oil rings dont fit on top of those dam CFLs, and Im sure they wouldnt burn the oil as well or put off as strong of a fragrance. I keep forgetting to go to the store and stock up on a bunch.
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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2011, 12:46:38 AM »
Crazy shit seems to be occuring at a breakneck speed the last few years.   


yeah, those old rotary phones that sat in grandma's basement for 30 years still work... but teh cell phone I bought last year breaks when I drop it twice.

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2011, 05:50:38 PM »
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It's Lights Out For The Incandescent Bulb In Calif
NPR ^ | January 23, 2011 | The Associated Press via NPR




The brightest bulb in most homes for more than a century is fading toward darkness this year as California turns out the light on the century-old incandescent.

Beginning Jan. 1, the state began phasing out certain energy-sucking bulbs, federal standards the rest of the country will enact next year.

Manufacturers will no longer make the traditional 100-watt bulb and stores will eventually sell out of current supplies. Consumers will have to choose from more efficient bulbs that use no more than 72 watts, including halogen incandescents, compact fluorescents and light-emitting diode, or LED, bulbs.

"These standards will help cut our nation's electric bill by over $10 billion a year and will save the equivalent electricity as 30 large power plants," said Noah Horowitz a senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council. "That translates into a whole lot less global warming pollution being emitted."

The change is part of the federal Energy Independence and Security Act that President George Bush signed in 2007, to reduce energy use and greenhouse gas emissions. California was allowed to adopt the national standard one year earlier.

The act requires new bulbs to use 25 to 30 percent less energy beginning in 2012 nationally — starting with the 100-watt bulb. By 2014, other incandescent bulbs, including the 75-, 60- and 40-watt, will also be phased out across the country.

Some specialty bulbs, however, will continue to be available. Consumers will still be able to get smaller lights such as yellow bug lights and aquarium bulbs.

Light bulb manufacturers said they haven't gotten any reports of customers hoarding 100-watt bulbs yet, though that may change once supplies begin to dry up and word gets out.

Nick Reynoza, manager at Royal Lighting in Los Angeles, said it's a shame the transition comes at a time when alternatives are so much more expensive.

"It's not really an option — you have this or you don't get anything," he said. "The options are more expensive. Four incandescents are $1.00, the halogens are $5.99 and the LED are like $20."

While conservation groups back the change and the lighting industry has invested heavily in new technology, not everyone supports the law. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who could not immediately be reached for comment, reintroduced legislation this year to repeal the law.

"People don't want Congress dictating what light fixtures they can use," said Rep. Barton on his website. "Traditional incandescent bulbs are cheap and reliable."

Adam Gottlieb, spokesman for the California Energy Commission, acknowledged that the change has resulted in a "great deal of hue and cry" on some blogs as well. Recent postings have included the titles "More dim bulbs: California banning 100-watt incandescent light bulbs" and "More evidence that California is nuts."

Gottlieb, however, said it was not a ban and that consumers can still buy whatever bulbs they want as long as they meet the new standards.

"After 130 years Tom Edison's old-fashioned light bulb is getting a 20th century makeover," he said. "The simple truth is consumers will save money."

The newer bulbs are more expensive than incandescents, but supporters of the technology say they last so much longer that there is a financial savings in the end. For example, while incandescents provide as much as 2,000 hours of light, compact fluorescents can provide light for six times longer.

Incandescents, which create light by passing an electric current through a tungsten wire filament, also waste 90 percent of the electricity they use as heat instead of light. Fluorescents, by comparison, apply an electrical current to different types of phosphers to produce light and produce less heat.

But fans of the traditional bulb say they provide a softer, more natural light and turn on more quickly. Michael Petras, president of GE Lighting, said the industry is aware of the shortcomings and is working to refine the technology.

"We've got compact fluorescents that look like incandescents," he said from the company's headquarters in Cleveland. "We have a product coming out this spring that's a hybrid of compact fluorescent and halogen that will provide energy savings and a better start up time."

Australia was the first to begin phasing out incandescents beginning in 2009, followed by the European Union, the Philippines and Argentina, said Petras. Mexico and Brazil are expected to follow the U.S.



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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2011, 06:08:33 PM »

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2011, 06:17:50 PM »
i just start small fires throught my house for lighting.....gives the place a historic look...

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2011, 06:24:23 PM »
fluorescent America in 2012 :D


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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2011, 09:17:22 PM »
MB, you asked what happens if you sell them after stocking up. 



as far as I know you can still sell them if they are old stock.  But I'm sure the green police are just around the corner. ::)

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
ok sounds great.


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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 11:18:16 PM »
http://www.vimeo.com/17750184

trans: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=5&id=305184&limit=10&limitstart=10

second link gives you english translation to the nonenglish parts. I love this docu, the topic of planned obsolescence is a great and maddening one
just finshed watching this doc.  good stuff.  does make me wonder how it would effect the economy if everything lasted way longer.  But I do hate buying shit meant to break in a few years.

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 11:21:46 PM »

Interesting thread. Thanks for posting. I will go buy a bunch of incandescent bulbs and have them promptly recycled.  Just doing my part to bring in the future.  How are they supposed to get the new bulbs right if a bunch of technophobes are clinging to their incandescent bulbs?

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 12:05:56 AM »
Interesting thread. Thanks for posting. I will go buy a bunch of incandescent bulbs and have them promptly recycled.  Just doing my part to bring in the future.  How are they supposed to get the new bulbs right if a bunch of technophobes are clinging to their incandescent bulbs?
I'm not clinging.  I went out and bought the new bulbs to do my part and they fucking sucked. Until they come up with something better, I need the old blubs to work by.  The CFL's didn't remotely come close to putting out the light they claimed and I ended up with headaches and eye strain after hours under them.  Now I actually have some of the smaller new bulbs in areas where I don't have to spent a lot of time.  But I already had two of the larger bulbs that are supposed to put out more light explode or burn out in a pretty dangerous way.

Looks like I'm not the only one who is had that happen:



Snopes has an article basically saying that the bulbs don't pose any kind of fire hazard.  Well, that's bullshit snopes, I had it happen and didn't just make it up.  I wanted to use these bulbs but to hell with that.

Also, I want the choice of what to install for lighting for what I need the light for.  My work area gets pretty cold in the winter and incandescents help keep it warm.  without the bulbs, I would just be cranking up the heat more than before.  That's going to be an issue the farther north you go, especially in Canada in Alaska where these colder bulbs are probably going to but a bigger draw on energy used for heating.  That's why people should have a choice.  I find it ironic that every single site and news story pushing these bulbs makes the point that 90 percent of the energy is wasted in heat.  You've got to be kidding me, since when is heat considered waste?  On a hot day, yea, but we have a lot more cold days through the year than hot.  So for most of the time, that makes incandescent bulbs, 100% effecient.  You get the light and heat.

Lastly, you ask how they are supposed to get it right if people are still buying the old bulbs.  Quite the opposite: sales for these new bulbs were already going up every year before this ban.  That means people were buying them more and more.  So why ban the old bulbs?  As it was they still needed to make improvements to these new lights, but that'll probably slow now.  Why should they worry about improving on a product the government is mandating you buy rather than win us over by perfecting the product?  Really, why ban the old bulbs when the new ones were already making their mark in sales that were going up each year?

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 12:16:37 AM »
just finshed watching this doc.  good stuff.  does make me wonder how it would effect the economy if everything lasted way longer.  But I do hate buying shit meant to break in a few years.



Id love it if we went back to having durable goods.

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2011, 12:38:12 AM »
exactly what happened to mine twice:  Mine made a hissing sound when it blew so I'm pretty sure it evacuated it's contents of mercury vapor.




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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2011, 02:13:30 AM »
I especially like the recommendations if you break one of these new bulbs.  Lets say you break one in your bedroom.  You're supposed to bag up exposed clothes to be taken to hazardous disposal, do not vacuum, you're supposed to cut out your carpet and do the same lol nice...  That goes for your bedding and all fabrics in the area.  One broken bulb could cost you thousands.  One lady had them test the room after a broken cfl and they found the room to be 6 times the safe level for mercury.  Total cleanup was 2400.00.  Most people don't know about this or even care.  They just chuck these lights in the garbage and treat broken bulbs like any other.

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 05:55:30 AM »
I especially like the recommendations if you break one of these new bulbs.  Lets say you break one in your bedroom.  You're supposed to bag up exposed clothes to be taken to hazardous disposal, do not vacuum, you're supposed to cut out your carpet and do the same lol nice...  That goes for your bedding and all fabrics in the area.  One broken bulb could cost you thousands.  One lady had them test the room after a broken cfl and they found the room to be 6 times the safe level for mercury.  Total cleanup was 2400.00.  Most people don't know about this or even care.  They just chuck these lights in the garbage and treat broken bulbs like any other.

Wow.....I'm going to do like you and buy a shitload of the old bulbs.  this is so idiotic.

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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 06:01:14 AM »
Wow.....I'm going to do like you and buy a shitload of the old bulbs.  this is so idiotic.

Its the Govt we are dealing with, you know, the same one tackling health care now, what else is new?   

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 06:03:44 AM »
Its the Govt we are dealing with, you know, the same one tackling health care now, what else is new?   

They've done such a bang-up job over the years with the VA system, post office, DMV, etc... why not give them a shot?  ;) ;D

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2011, 01:18:22 AM »
 :o

CFLs contain mercury. You didn't know that? Just a drop you say?  How about up to 5 milligrams per lightbulb. If all 4 billion incandescent sockets were filled with CFLs we'd have 20 billion milligrams of mercury spread around every single US household. By the way, 20 billion milligrams is nearly 50,000 pounds.


That 50,000 pounds of mercury amongst 300 million people, if indiscriminately thrown away, will eventually find its way to your favorite landfill and public drinking water supply. Knock over a table lamp and shatter a CFL in your house, and you have a toxic waste situation on your hands right in the living room, bedroom or dining room.


On the other hand, at least half of all mercury emissions from coal fired power plants currently is captured by scrubbers, and clean coal technologies promise to eliminate 2/3rds of what remains. Not so for CFLs-- which can't operate without mercury.

Rest of the story: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/ban_the_bulb.html

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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2011, 03:12:02 AM »
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check this out, GE came up with an incandescent that would have: met the new standards, provided the same light quality, been as efficient as CFLs and cost less than CFLs... LINK

THEY THEN SCRAPED THE NEW BULB THE NEXT YEAR ::)  LINK

The reasons given for scrapping the new bulb are probably bullshit.  They have the legislation passed that forces consumers to buy more expensive options...  Why the hell would they produce a bulb costing less than a CFL now...

So much for innovation...  And now that they're invested in these new, expensive options to the max, watch what happens to any new companies that come along with a better option or inovation based on edison's bulb... They'll get ran right out of town.

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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2011, 04:53:42 AM »
could someone please explain to me how it was that someone snapped their fingers and incandescent bulbs are being banned in every western country?  I thought we had some sovereignty, but it looks to me like someone ordered it done everywhere at once... ???

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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2011, 05:24:34 AM »
could someone please explain to me how it was that someone snapped their fingers and incandescent bulbs are being banned in every western country?  I thought we had some sovereignty, but it looks to me like someone ordered it done everywhere at once... ???

Probably happened at one of those G20 or UN summits.   

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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2011, 05:25:39 AM »
Probably happened at one of those G20 or UN summits.   
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Re: WHAT? No more Incandescent bulbs!!!
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2011, 07:44:12 AM »
I'm just buying a bunch of candles and whale-oil lamps, these bulb wars are going to give me a coronary.

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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2011, 07:58:57 AM »
I'm just buying a bunch of candles and whale-oil lamps, these bulb wars are going to give me a coronary.
We don't have bulb wars.  Bulb wars would be the free market and consumers picking what is best for them for their use.  What we have is the government ordering what bulbs the consumer will use.  Like I said above, it's that which will hinder innovation.  

Also as I posted above, you can see that GE actually came up with an incandescent bulb that is as efficient as the CFL, provides the same light and is less expensive but they cancelled that bulb in 2008, a year after the legislation passed forcing the consumer to more expensive bulbs.  Had it not been for this legislation, that bulb would probably still be in the works and headed to market for competition!

So in this case, it looks like the politicians have aided the corporation and once again, held back innovation...  GE and the others will now reap huge profits.  Their old bulbs are being bought out at record pace and their new bulbs are many times more expensive.  They were able to nix the last remaining American workers for cheaper overseas labor.  No wonder all of the major lightbulb companies lobbied for the "ban" of incandescents.

I thought it was odd that the makers of light bulbs would lobby for a ban on light bulbs, but it all makes sense now.