Author Topic: Wikileaks: Obama agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets. WWTTFF???  (Read 14993 times)

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So nothing..no followups on Fox news or somthing...they would be all over this..

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So nothing..no followups on Fox news or somthing...they would be all over this..
Yeah,  why is that?

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Yeah,  why is that?

My best guess is that they are trying to get a lot more details on this as th allegations are so serious that, if true as being reported, could easily lead to impeachment.   

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My best guess is that they are trying to get a lot more details on this as th allegations are so serious that, if true as being reported, could easily lead to impeachment.   

lmao.. this is gonna be fun...Translation...

Who gives a shit if i spout off shit before its confirmed..and then comment on it as though it has been confirmed.. no one respects me here anyway... by the way obama spent 200 mil a day... i heard it from this indian blogspot.. lmao..

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lmao.. this is gonna be fun...Translation...

Who gives a shit if i spout off shit before its confirmed..and then comment on it as though it has been confirmed.. no one respects me here anyway... by the way obama spent 200 mil a day... i heard it from this indian blogspot.. lmao..


Did you read the follow up?   and BTW - other than a Tweet saying "bunk" SOS hasnt said a word on this other than the 1991 nonsense which was not true as per the cables.       

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Did you read the follow up?   and BTW - other than a Tweet saying "bunk" SOS hasnt said a word on this other than the 1991 nonsense which was not true as per the cables.       

So are you implying you Dont post Stories on here that are false but you post them and comment on them as they have been confirmed?... is that what you are saying

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So are you implying you Dont post Stories on here that are false but you post them and comment on them as they have been confirmed?... is that what you are saying

I'm saying that of all the threads I have posted in my entire posting history - I probably have at least a 95% accuracy rating.   Have I posted some things that did not pan out exactly as originally reported?  Yes.   However, as a whole, my record is at least 95% accurate, if not higher.   

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I'm saying that of all the threads I have posted in my entire posting history - I probably have at least a 95% accuracy rating.   Have I posted some things that did not pan out exactly as originally reported?  Yes.   However, as a whole, my record is at least 95% accurate, if not higher.   
lmao @ pan out.. what a fuckin rat snake weasel fuck you are..god damn i just had to spit

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lmao @ pan out.. what a fuckin rat snake weasel fuck you are..god damn i just had to spit
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It would be good to get Bama's jizz out of your mouth for once.   Don't you think 3 years is enough already?   

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until a news source covers it i call the story bullshit, i,m not talking some right wing hack. if there were something to this fox would be all over it

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if thats all you have is right wing hacks why bother

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lmao.. this is gonna be fun...Translation...

Who gives a shit if i spout off shit before its confirmed..and then comment on it as though it has been confirmed.. no one respects me here anyway... by the way obama spent 200 mil a day... i heard it from this indian blogspot.. lmao..


Lack of credibility kind of leads to this don't you think?

LOL @ thinking Obama could be impeached.  Sorry to throw a little reality on that wet dream of his.

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lmao.. this is gonna be fun...Translation...

Who gives a shit if i spout off shit before its confirmed..and then comment on it as though it has been confirmed.. no one respects me here anyway... by the way obama spent 200 mil a day... i heard it from this indian blogspot.. lmao..

Most of the stuff posted on this board is spouted off by people who can't even be bothered to fact check, let alone confirm anything. This board has turned into little more than a dumping ground for youtube clips from various MSM TV shows.

This story was posted on a lot of MSM outlets, including some of the biggest papers in the UK. Why not direct your blame at them? Or are you saying the MSM, which roughly 50% of Americans think is too liberal, is incompetent and posts false stuff? If that's the case then it doesn't look too hot for the MSNBCs and NY Times' of the world.

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I'm saying that of all the threads I have posted in my entire posting history - I probably have at least a 95% accuracy rating.   Have I posted some things that did not pan out exactly as originally reported?  Yes.   However, as a whole, my record is at least 95% accurate, if not higher.   
accuracy rating to what?  most of what you post are opinion pieces.  

Further more, news like this should be making world wide head lines.   But like you said, its being verified, and I wonder how you verify something like this.

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accuracy rating to what?  most of what you post are opinion pieces.  

Further more, news like this should be making world wide head lines.   But like you said, its being verified, and I wonder how you verify something like this.

Can we verify most of the wikileaks stuff? Nope. We've got the cables and that's it. Hasn't stopped anyone to this point. Why the change of heart now?

I don't know why people are acting surprised. England wouldn't be the first ally Obama threw under the bus...and certainly not the last.

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accuracy rating to what?  most of what you post are opinion pieces.  

Further more, news like this should be making world wide head lines.   But like you said, its being verified, and I wonder how you verify something like this.


They are probably reviewing the cables, reviewing the original treaty, trying to info from the ruskies, etc.  

The update that Gardiner posted today offers some contaxt on the spin by Crowley.   From what i understand, the issue is the serial numbers more than anythin, which were not part of the 1991 Treaty.    

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Can we verify most of the wikileaks stuff? Nope. We've got the cables and that's it. Hasn't stopped anyone to this point. Why the change of heart now?

I don't know why people are acting surprised. England wouldn't be the first ally Obama threw under the bus...and certainly not the last.
That's why this wiki leaks thing is becoming more of a tool.  At this point since they Have all this info what's to stop them from manufacture false info?

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Is New Start Compatible with the U.S.–U.K. Mutual Defence Agreement?
Posted February 9th, 2011 at 3:00pm


http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/09/is-new-start-compatible-with-the-u-s-%E2%80%93u-k-mutual-defence-agreement/




The Special Relationship between the U.S. and Britain has many facets, but at its core is close cooperation in the military and intelligence realms. And at the heart of our military cooperation is the U.S.–U.K. Mutual Defence Agreement.

Signed in 1958, and renewed every 10 years—most recently in 2004—the agreement provides for Anglo–American collaboration in nuclear technology. It provides the legal basis for the transfer to Britain of U.S.-made Trident II missiles—the launch platform for Britain’s nuclear deterrent—and for the much broader sharing of nuclear information between the two countries.

Because the agreement concerns exceptionally sensitive information and technologies, it imposes extremely tight security controls on both parties. Article V(c) of the 1958 agreement states:

Except as may be otherwise agreed for civil uses, the information communicated or exchanged, or the materials or equipment transferred, by either Party pursuant to this Agreement shall be used by the recipient Party exclusively for the preparation or implementation of defense plans in the mutual interest of the two countries.
Thus, neither the U.S. nor the U.K. can pass on anything either one acquires from the other. Article VII of the 1958 agreement explains how this requirement affects the U.S.’s negotiations with other nations:

Nothing in this Agreement shall be interpreted or shall operate as a bar or restriction to consultation or cooperation in any field of defense by either Party with other nations or international organizations. Neither Party, however, shall communicate classified information or transfer or permit access to or use of materials, or equipment, made available by the other Party pursuant to this Agreement to any other nation or international organization unless authorized to do so by such other Party, or unless such other Party has informed the recipient Party that the same information has been made available to that nation or international organization.

This means that the U.S. cannot pass on anything it receives from the U.K. to Russia unless the U.K. has authorized the U.S. to do so, or unless the U.K. has informed Russia that Russia has direct access to this information.

Does New START comply with these terms? The Daily Telegraph has reported:

Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of U.K. missiles. The U.K. refused, but the U.S. agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.

This allegation raises a number of disturbing questions. Did the U.K. agree to the transfer of the serial numbers (known in New START as “unique identifiers”)? Did the U.K. agree that the U.S. could, as it is required to do under the terms of New START, inform Russia of the “location of the transferred [missiles]”? For obvious reasons, this information is classified and thus subject to the controls of the 1958 agreement. Or has the U.K., as is its option under the 1958 agreement, made this information available to Russia directly? Most explosively, did the U.S., after Britain refused to allow the transfer of “detailed data” about its missiles, go ahead and transfer this data anyway?

Right now, there is no way to know the answers to any of these questions. But if New START is incompatible with the 1958 agreement, the treaty would be an explosive breach of a fundamental and longstanding U.S. treaty obligation. The Senate has a clear obligation to consider this question.

Tags: New START, Russia, U.S.–U.K. Mutual Defence Agreement, United Kingdom


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Most of the stuff posted on this board is spouted off by people who can't even be bothered to fact check, let alone confirm anything. This board has turned into little more than a dumping ground for youtube clips from various MSM TV shows.

This story was posted on a lot of MSM outlets, including some of the biggest papers in the UK. Why not direct your blame at them? Or are you saying the MSM, which roughly 50% of Americans think is too liberal, is incompetent and posts false stuff? If that's the case then it doesn't look too hot for the MSNBCs and NY Times' of the world.

name them  ???

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we've all fallen for another of 3333's traps again....he starts a nonsense thread....argues about it vigorously, then disappears once more facts come out

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Andreisamoron - have you read the two follow up articles I posted on this? 


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we've all fallen for another of 3333's traps again....he starts a nonsense thread....argues about it vigorously, then disappears once more facts come out

boom...

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boom...

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Did you read the Heritage article I just posted on this?  Of course not.   In Option F's world, any and all criticism of the Messiah can not be tolerated.   

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Did you read the Heritage article I just posted on this?  Of course not.   In Option F's world, any and all criticism of the Messiah can not be tolerated.   

And again bitch for the umteenth time.. have I not personally disapproved of some of obamas policies.. have i not.. tell me.. have i not