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« on: February 07, 2011, 03:21:44 PM »

I haven't looked at him at all, but I don't like the idea of another Bush or Clinton in the White House. 

But given how wide open the field is, he just might be competitive.


FEBRUARY 7, 2011 4:00 A.M.
Bush 2012
Jeb Bush should run now, for at least eight reasons.

John J. Miller has a cover story in the new issue of National Review that’s a compelling portrait of the accomplishments of Jeb Bush. Four years after leaving the Florida governor’s mansion, he remains one of the most impressive Republican politicians in the country, a formidable policy mind with the political chops to drive conservative reforms even out of office. So why isn’t he running for president? Bush told Miller what he’s said to others, too — he won’t run in 2012, but he’ll consider 2016. This is a mistake. Bush should run now for at least eight reasons:

1) It’s a wide-open field for a nomination that’s worth having. Rarely do you get such a convergence of a beatable incumbent president with a wide-open field to challenge him. Obama is slightly below 50 percent in the polls, with a real weakness in the middle of the country, and he’s saddled with a recovery that has yet to produce substantial job growth. Yet there is no true frontrunner in the race to challenge him. It’s hard to imagine an environment better suited for a heavyweight like Jeb to make a run.

2) 2016 is too late I. By 2016, Jeb will have been out of office ten years. No doubt he will have made many contributions to the cause in the interim, but by then his main credential — his governorship and its accomplishments — will seem like yesterday’s news. Right now he has the feel of an elder statesman of the party while his time in office is still fresh.

3) 2016 is too late II. By 2016, a bumper crop of Republican talent will be poised to storm the national stage. Marco Rubio not only will be the hot new thing out of Florida, he’ll be seasoned. Chris Christie will be ready. A host of senators and governors — freshly minted in the 2010 elections, so it’s too soon for them to run now — will be ready to go. Jeb will not be such a predominant figure in such a robust field. The crop of prospective GOP candidates this time reflects the downdraft in Republican fortunes in 2006 and 2008. Jeb would loom all the larger for it.

4) The Bush rehabilitation has begun. George W. Bush is not exactly popular, but two years of Obama have taken the edge off W.-hatred, and he’s risen from the depths of his unpopularity near the end of his presidency. Gallup had a poll in December that had Bush’s approval rating very slightly above President Obama’s. Bush’s book, Decision Points, and the accompanying media tour were successes. In 2008, Jeb’s association with his brother would have been an absolute killer. That’s not true anymore. The controversies that made the Bush years so venomous have faded, and — partly through the miracle of the accelerated news cycle — 2000–2008 already feels somewhat distant.

5) Jeb will still be a Bush in 2016. There’s no doubt that it will always be awkward for Jeb to be the third Bush; it will always have a dynastic feel about it. But that will remain as true in 2016. If Jeb runs in four years, after Obama presumably wins a second term in 2012, he will still be vying to be the third Republican president in a row who’s a Bush. Waiting until 2016 won’t make that fact any less odd.

6) He’s not just another Bush. Jeb is different from his patrician dad and different from his thoroughly Texan brother. As soon as people see him on the national stage, they’ll realize he’s his own person and has to be taken on his own terms.

7) Jeb can unite the party. Jeb probably has a better chance to unite the establishment and Tea Party wings of the GOP than anyone else, certainly a better chance than Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney would seem to have at this juncture. The establishment would presumably flock to Jeb, while he’d have a record of solid conservative accomplishment to sell to the conservative base. Some tea partiers will have zero interest in another Bush, and Jeb will take his lumps on immigration (at NR, we’ll look forward to administering some of them, and trying to change his mind). It’s a very volatile environment, and were he to run, much would obviously depend on how he actually campaigned. But he would stand a good chance of avoiding a damaging division in the party.

Cool Waiting is almost always a mistake. It’s an axiom of presidential politics that you have to run when you have the opening, even if it seems “too soon.” This is why Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were elected president and Mario Cuomo never was. Jeb’s opening is now — “too soon” after his brother’s presidency, “too soon” into his life as an ex-governor — and it will probably never quite be there again.

In short, if Jeb feels a call to run for president, it has to be 2012, not 2016.

— Rich Lowry is editor of National Review.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/259099
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 03:22:56 PM »

Hell no!
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 03:23:26 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 03:47:11 PM »

  No more Bushes, no more Clintons!
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 07:30:43 PM »

Jeb would probably whip the shit out of every other 2012 potential.

And he would defeat obama too.

He is extremely smart, well connected, he has insane experience, he knows his shit, he has plenty of resources...

He would win in a cakewalk.  People don't hate bush anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 08:21:20 PM »

Jeb would probably whip the shit out of every other 2012 potential.

And he would defeat obama too.

He is extremely smart, well connected, he has insane experience, he knows his shit, he has plenty of resources...

He would win in a cakewalk.  People don't hate bush anymore.



Doubt it.  People still hate Bush and a great deal of Obamas campaign was linking McCain to Bush claiming more of the same.  I think it would be the exact same thing with Jeb - no matter how hard he tried to differentiate himself.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2011, 08:24:16 PM »

jeb doesn't have to win the general election first, he has to win the primary.

jeb will look like a college professor scolding children against that GOP group.
And the repub base was that asinine 29% that still loved Bush.

In the general, he's slightly more electable than palin, but still...
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2011, 08:52:48 PM »

jeb doesn't have to win the general election first, he has to win the primary.

jeb will look like a college professor scolding children against that GOP group.
And the repub base was that asinine 29% that still loved Bush.

In the general, he's slightly more electable than palin, but still...



If you're talking about first, then his best bet is the caucus, not a primary.  He'd want a good showing in the Ames Straw Poll, then moving on to win Iowa.  Maybe, I just don't see it happening.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2011, 08:54:10 PM »

I'm sick of the damn bushes.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2011, 12:00:38 AM »

In the general, he's slightly more electable than palin, but still...

  That ain't saying much.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2011, 06:37:22 AM »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK OFF, NO JEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
no more fucking bushs. 

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I'll take Palin, whatever, just don't give us another Bush, please please please for the love of fuck please don't...
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2011, 06:44:28 AM »

no no no no
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2011, 06:44:44 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2011, 06:45:02 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2011, 06:45:34 AM »

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2011, 06:46:06 AM »

Jeb is no different than GWB.  
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 06:48:14 AM »

What the fuck are you thinking 240, don't promote Jeb here man... We don't want another fucking Bush.  I'm so happy he's your boy from florida... NOT...  I'll take Bachmann or Palin or whoever else but if you step up with Bush, get ready for a war you won't want.


Another Bush=FUCK OH HELL NO OVER MY......

PS... he's not even from Florida so don't get all loyal.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2011, 07:02:29 AM »

What the fuck are you thinking 240, don't promote Jeb here man... We don't want another fucking Bush.  I'll take Bachmann or Palin or whoever else but if you step up with Bush, get ready for a war you won't want.


Another Bush=FUCK OH HELL NO OVER MY......

240 always pushes those squishy "moderates" like christ, jeb, etc. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 07:49:22 AM »

you have to be some kind of serious Triple A Asshole at this point to promote or suggest a Bush for the next President.  We so fucking clearly need Ron Paul... the only thing you should be doing is starting or joining a movement to draft Ron Paul for 2012.
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »

240 always pushes those squishy "moderates" like christ, jeb, etc. 

yes, being the co-author for PNAC was the #1 sign that Jeb was just a squishy moderate.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2011, 09:09:33 AM »

yes, being the co-author for PNAC was the #1 sign that Jeb was just a squishy moderate.
Ok, so you've identified him as being in bed with the hardcore neocons.... Something nobody wants to see again....  Why were you talking about Jeb again? lol....
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2011, 09:18:51 AM »

Ok, so you've identified him as being in bed with the hardcore neocons.... Something nobody wants to see again....  Why were you talking about Jeb again? lol....

actually..... if we get another neocon in there, then we'll have to hear all the tea party types (who were silent on borrowing trillions during the bush years) finally STFu about the debt Smiley

 
They only get pissed off at govt spending when it's a dem doing it.  When bush wanted to blow another trillion in Iran, they couldn't hoot and holler loud enough.  Let's give em what they wanted.
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 09:24:21 AM »

Jeb would probably whip the shit out of every other 2012 potential.

And he would defeat obama too.

He is extremely smart, well connected, he has insane experience, he knows his shit, he has plenty of resources...

He would win in a cakewalk.  People don't hate bush anymore.

Jeb was GREAT when he was governor of my home state of Florida. He's stated in the past that he doesn't plan to run. But, if he does, he has my vote.

My only issue with him is that he shot down Florida's attempt to to add the marriage amendment to our Constitution, claiming that Florida's current law was sufficient enough.

Outside of that, Jeb is the man. But for our Supreme Court, more school vouchers would have been available for our needy children.

I wish he would run. He'd tear Obama APART!!
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