Author Topic: LMAO at Van Bilderass (Read 8447 times)

Meso_z · « **Reply #25 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:17:11 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on February 08, 2011, 06:25:40 AM

Exactly gh15, but at this point I think it's absolutely pointless to argue their natural status, they have been bullshitting for a few years already they already made their mind that they arte in fact "natural" and will believe their own bullshit forever.

I don't care about that.

I just tought is was funny as fuck that Layne claimed that it was not gyno

I dont even bother anymore with those fools...I just shake my head and walk away.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #26 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:29:11 AM »

Worst liar in recent times is Tommy Jeffers. Reason being he lies to Lyle McDonald, one of the only honest, no BS guys in this industry. A guy who promoted him by using him on the cover of his book etc.

His explanation.

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As far as all the gyno accusations, believe me, it's not like I don't understand why people would draw their own conclusions in that manner. First off and foremost, I don't take offense to it, and I don't take it personal. In all actuality, I take it as a compliment. It's been my number one goal ever since I started this journey in natural bodybuilding to have a physique on a level that people constantly question my natural status. So for all the "haters" and accusers who think they have a clue, I sincerely appreicate it! It's not going to matter how many drug tests I pass, or what kind of explanation I give, people will formulate their own opinions based on their own biases and insecurities anyway. As long as the people who I love and respect that are close to me know the truth, that's all that matters to me - not the internet tough guys lol. The fact is, as much as I tried to keep my journal positive throughout the entire prep with a positive attitude, I had a long list of challenges and obstacles to overcome...the biggest of which were my small tumors that had to be removed from my chest cavity. I ended up doing 3 minor surgeries, all during my 23 week prep, with the latest surgery being 6 weeks out from the NPC show - which was done to try and remove the massive amount of scar tissue that had accumulated from the other two surgeries. I had the option, because of where my tumors were sitting, to go in through the nipple area and as a result, would leave the least amount of visible scarring on the surface, since bodybuilding is an endeavor I plan on doing for a long time. That was the route I chose to go. Unfortunately, I ended up with a ton of scar tissue and swelling in that area, which was way worse than what you see in my show day pics. I was getting deep tissue massage therapy every other day to reduce the swelling, and although it made a big difference and dramatically reduced it, it still wasn't enough come show day to have it completely be gone. Even sitting here now, I have continued to work on it and it is now almost non-existant...probably another month of deep tissue and it will be completely gone. So, to all those who like to assume and apparently know me and all the things I went through that accuse me of gyno and steroid use, first off thank you Second, I must have been on the crappiest steroids ever created since I took a 2.5 year off season and ended up 6lbs lighter on stage. Wow, tons of muscle gained there! Not to mention that I must have the ONLY gyno in the world that suddenly disappears with consistent deep tissue massage. On top of that, it just so happens that the areas of the body that have an abundance of androgen receptors (i.e. chest and traps) which allow for exponential growth during a cycle are the muscle groups that are relatively my smallest and weakest areas! And I also must have workout partners that lie and make up conversations they've had with my doctors about the procedures I had to go through with my tumor removal while they were there at the hospital with me. Either way, that is what I had to go through during my prep this year - which made the outcome all that much more special to me! People will think and assume what they want, but the people who matter to me all know the truth, and that's all that matters. This explanation is for those that follow me online, who don't know me personally, and just want to hear the truth.+

Strange story, lots of holes.

Boost · « **Reply #27 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:58:54 AM »

Yo Van,

You mentioned that pubertal gyno "looks different especially when dieted down"

Please explain this. I'm lifetime natural but have had gyno since I was 13 or 14.

Hopefully it reduces as I diet

johnnynoname · « **Reply #28 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:00:10 AM »

isn't "Natural" just a new term for guys who don't get huge despite doing several cycles

Stavios · « **Reply #29 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:03:26 AM »

Quote from: johnnynoname on February 08, 2011, 09:00:10 AM

isn't "Natural" just a new term for guys who don't get huge despite doing several cycles

it is

I could pass for a natural, I don't have the chemical look or crazy muscle roundness or crazy vascularity.

a lot of guy could pass as natural to the general public, they think if you use you are Arnold's size

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #30 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:20:47 AM »

Quote from: Boost on February 08, 2011, 08:58:54 AM

Yo Van,

You mentioned that pubertal gyno "looks different especially when dieted down"

Please explain this. I'm lifetime natural but have had gyno since I was 13 or 14.

Hopefully it reduces as I diet

Well, a lot of the times it's not even true gynecomastia. It's puffy nipples or pseudogynecomastia due to being somewhat overweight. Does the gyno tissue feel harder than the surrounding area?

When you see a bodybuilder who's been lean for years, no excess fat around the pec area (especially the sides) and he has a lump with a very defined edge, like a disc of tissue, it's usually due to drugs.

Look at these cases of adolescent gyno and compare to the guys in this thread.

http://www.gynecomastia-md.com/photos/adolescents/

Meso_z · « **Reply #31 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:42:13 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on February 08, 2011, 09:03:26 AM

it is

I could pass for a natural, I don't have the chemical look or crazy muscle roundness or crazy vascularity.

a lot of guy could pass as natural to the general public, they think if you use you are Arnold's size

I guess my cock is not considered "natural" then.

Disgusted · « **Reply #32 on:** February 08, 2011, 10:51:21 AM »

Quote from: Boost on February 08, 2011, 08:58:54 AM

Yo Van,

You mentioned that pubertal gyno "looks different especially when dieted down"

Please explain this. I'm lifetime natural but have had gyno since I was 13 or 14.

Hopefully it reduces as I diet

I had it and had it removed years ago. It was funny cause the Dr who removed it made a comment about it being caused by puberty and not steroids. He said he could tell just by looking at it and feeling around. All of these guys are liars, period. Wake up people!!!!

The_Leafy_Bug · « **Reply #33 on:** February 08, 2011, 07:15:46 PM »

Quote from: g101 on February 08, 2011, 12:37:52 AM

lmaooo more dumb comments from this leafy bug clown

"im stronger when i diet"

no shit you dumbass you're on AAS

Doesn't matter what he is on. The fact of the matter is as long as someone has enough muscle to make you or tbombz jealous you will have a knee jerk reaction to call someone a juicer along with 90% of other getbiggers. I don't like to be naive but i also don't want to be cynical and claim anyone with muscle is a juicer. He may have used... who knows. He just has a natural look about him. When it comes down to it technically no one is natural.... or everyone is natural. It just depends how you want to look at it.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #34 on:** February 08, 2011, 07:57:09 PM »

Natural at 54? I have no idea.

no one · « **Reply #35 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:11:08 PM »

Quote from: TrueGrit on February 08, 2011, 07:57:09 PM

Natural at 54? I have no idea.

guy looks better than 99.9 % of the population of any age.

props to him.

TrueGrit · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:21:55 PM »

Quote from: no one on February 08, 2011, 08:11:08 PM

guy looks better than 99.9 % of the population of any age.

props to him.

Totally agree.

tbombz · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:27:15 PM »

Quote from: The_Leafy_Bug on February 08, 2011, 07:15:46 PM

Doesn't matter what he is on. The fact of the matter is as long as someone has enough muscle to make you or tbombz jealous you will have a knee jerk reaction to call someone a juicer along with 90% of other getbiggers. I don't like to be naive but i also don't want to be cynical and claim anyone with muscle is a juicer. He may have used... who knows. He just has a natural look about him. When it comes down to it technically no one is natural.... or everyone is natural. It just depends how you want to look at it.

whoa hold on there stud.. homeboy doesnt make me jealous and i dont call anyone out unless i have a legit reason for doing so.. theres plenty of dudes on this board who i have given cycle advice to and keep it quiet even when they are blabbing their mouth about being a natural..

Stavios · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:29:34 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 08, 2011, 08:27:15 PM

whoa hold on there stud.. homeboy doesnt make me jealous and i dont call anyone out unless i have a legit reason for doing so.. theres plenty of dudes on this board who i have given cycle advice to and keep it quiet even when they are blabbing their mouth about being a natural..

The_Leafy_Bug · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2011, 08:39:05 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 08, 2011, 08:27:15 PM

whoa hold on there stud.. homeboy doesnt make me jealous and i dont call anyone out unless i have a legit reason for doing so.. theres plenty of dudes on this board who i have given cycle advice to and keep it quiet even when they are blabbing their mouth about being a natural..

That makes you just as guilty as the "naturals".

tbombz · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:27:29 PM »

Quote from: The_Leafy_Bug on February 08, 2011, 08:39:05 PM

That makes you just as guilty as the "naturals".

no, i spread the truth even though i dont speak up when i know others are lying. this is the interwebz afterall and for some people the risk of making info public about their illegal useage of roids/gh/hormones is something they dont wish to do.. im not going to out anybody like that so long as they arent trying to argue against the truth. if you notice who on here claims natty but still accepts the role drugs play in bb, you can assume they only claim natty because they r scurrd bout goin public with illegal info on themselves

Secret Stack · « **Reply #41 on:** February 09, 2011, 07:51:30 AM »

lol nice bump Stavios (MD thread).

will someone with an MD account PLEASE PLEASE point out to that liar norton how he went on and on about it being a damn COLD ROOM that caused the nipples to pop out like that....THEN! bodybuilder in question pops into the thread and ADMITS to it being gyno!!! LOL!!!!!!

cold room...hahaha

Spike · « **Reply #42 on:** February 09, 2011, 08:36:44 AM »

Quote from: The_Leafy_Bug on February 08, 2011, 08:39:05 PM

That makes you just as guilty as the "naturals".

wait I thought you were a natural

your on shit? NICE

dustin · « **Reply #43 on:** February 09, 2011, 09:51:25 AM »

Why do only a select few top natural competitors look so amazingly beastly in comparison to the millions of other naturals? Are they really THAT gifted? I know some life long fucks that live and breathe this natural shit... if you ask me, Dear naive Leafy, they are fucking juiced up and you know it.

There's a distinct look you get when doing moderate steroid cycles and using GH. It can actually be a pretty fantastic, healthy look too. No jab at their physiques. Its just that..... they're pure fucking liar scumbags who are no different than liar Priest.

Hope this helps.

YngiweRhoads · « **Reply #44 on:** February 09, 2011, 10:05:09 AM »

Quote from: dustin on February 09, 2011, 09:51:25 AM

Why do only a select few top natural competitors look so amazingly beastly in comparison to the millions of other naturals? Are they really THAT gifted?

My workout partner of 5 years barely looked as if he lifted. Same workouts, almost the same strength and I'd assume our diets and rest time were pretty comparable. I, on the other hand, got, and still get, accused of using gear. Genetics and early childhood nutrition come into play.

Jaime · « **Reply #45 on:** February 09, 2011, 11:40:20 AM »

Absolute trainwreck of a physique.

There is just a certain look to users and this guy looks like a user, i have seen naturals with more mass but he just doesn't look the part.

Kim Jong Bob · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2011, 02:11:41 AM »

Quote from: Stavios on February 07, 2011, 08:06:57 PM

natural or not is not the point.

Layne is actually getting pissed off saying it's not gyno and that he just has hard nipples because the room is cold.

THAT, is funny as fuck and insulting people's intelligence

yeah this kurt dude comes in and admits to having gyno (puberty related according to him, but still gyno) and layne is nowhere to be found in the thread.

True · « **Reply #47 on:** February 11, 2011, 03:48:15 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on February 08, 2011, 12:55:37 AM

I took a lot of heat on MD for simply stating that Layne Norton carries more muscle than the average juicer. How is that statement even controversial? I know plenty of juicers and few if any of them have the size Layne has. Yes, Layne has more muscle than the average juicer. Whether or not he uses juice is beside the point. He clearly looks like a user. I actually think it's a bit of an insult to Layne's physique to say he looks natural. He's huge lately, especially his arms.

Thats because many steroid users sucks ass!!!! How hard is this to understand? Just because their on drugs doesnt automaticly mean they are better! They dont know shit about proper training and dieting, and so they rely on steroids only... I know plenty of skinny looking fags who have juiced, and Ive beaten several of them time and time again too, naturally. Its quite pathetic when you think of it, but then again, not everybody can be as hard working as the next guy, and I sure as hell take it as a compliment when I look better than drug users. This sport is built on dedication, discipline, patience and determination. If you lack in either of those virtues, you are NOT going to succeed in this sport, drugs or not.

The Grim Lifter · « **Reply #48 on:** February 11, 2011, 03:54:21 AM »

Yeh cause there are so many guys who have never trained or juiced walking around with gyno that fucking big. HA!

no one · « **Reply #49 on:** February 11, 2011, 08:26:23 AM »

Quote from: True on February 11, 2011, 03:48:15 AM

Thats because many steroid users sucks ass!!!! How hard is this to understand? Just because their on drugs doesnt automaticly mean they are better! They dont know shit about proper training and dieting, and so they rely on steroids only... I know plenty of skinny looking fags who have juiced, and Ive beaten several of them time and time again too, naturally. Its quite pathetic when you think of it, but then again, not everybody can be as hard working as the next guy, and I sure as hell take it as a compliment when I look better than drug users. This sport is built on dedication, discipline, patience and determination. If you lack in either of those virtues, you are NOT going to succeed in this sport, drugs or not.

listen, well all get that 'being natural' is all you have. you need that little piece of self- affirmation in order to cope with the fact that you'll never really get all the attention you know deep down that you so desperately want. and dont deny wanting the attention, or you wouldnt have bothered to post in a thread putting down guys who use and having to say you dont. you see that? 'look at me! im over here im better than you cause im natural' yeah, we get it.

do you see juicers putting down naturals, saying they dont train hard, or we're better than you? no. why? cause we dont care what you're doing. nobody cares but you. we dont care what you're doing cause we are out wrecking pussy that you could only dream of. we have better things to do than to worry about what some 160 pound twink looks like or how hard he trains cause he's clean.

you see, in short little guy, you need a crutch like 'im natural' to make yourself feel better about the trim you can't hit, cause at the end of the day its all about the trim. everything in life is about the trim- and most of the trim that guys who are juiced hit tend to be hot strippers, like the kind you'll see at the pool parties in vegas in the summer- that 1% of the female population you'd cut your left testicle off just to have her say hi to you as she walked past you on the way to bring me a corona. you know- girls who like big guys, who are in good shape, take care of themselves, and are pretty fucking hot.

so, congrats! on being natural. everyone here is very proud of you. keep up the good work.

now, fuck off.