Baby Herc, that is the mentality of the majority on these boards. Most of the guys on here do not lift and most have never seen the inside of a gym. So, what they do is say the only way a guy can get muscle is to take roids. It is just their mentality. They don't know any better. And if they do lift they have'nt seen any results cause they don't know what they are doing so they have to say the only way to get muscles is with drugs. Most of the guys on here that have lifted and know the gym, know better and know you can get muscles if you lift right. For certain if Carrot Top was on drungs he is doing something wrong. Cause his muscles just don't look like they are from drung use. They are'nt huge by any standard. He is very lean but he has always been.