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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2011, 04:56:33 PM »
Natural bodybuilding is like sex without a vagina.  Just up the dose already.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »
People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2011, 05:02:51 PM »
Ok whatever.
The reason i asked u the question in the first place is because so many ppl have a defeatest attitude when it comes to lifting..."ooh ive been training so long, ooh i cant get bigger, i cant stronger etc etc" ....HOWEVER, most of these ppl dont even train hard.
Im guessing you're part of that 'crew' as u cant even answer a simple question?

 I've reached my genetic limits before. Like i said before, a long time ago I spent 3 years doing everything really well and really seriously and by the end of those three years all my efforts were simply going into maintaining what I had already built. FOr 3 years I was lifting hard and heavy, every workous was a war, I was eating tons of protein, tuna out of the can, all that fucked up shit.

 My body weight has been as high as 185. That's the biggest I can possibly get and beyond that it just gets fat and sloppy. After lifting for almost 2 decades you'll learn what your genetics are all about.

 Some guys can bulk up to 240 and be a chubby strongfat. Other guys are genetically destined to be lean.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2011, 05:06:34 PM »
People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.

 Well I never walk around with no shirt on anyway. So that's cool.

 Where are you talking to shirtless men about their muscles? Hmmmmm....

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2011, 05:13:17 PM »
Well I never walk around with no shirt on anyway. So that's cool.

 Where are you talking to shirtless men about their muscles? Hmmmmm....

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2011, 09:54:59 PM »
Hahahahahaahaaaaa....... small guys talking about losing their "mass".

you can't lose what you don't have

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2011, 10:36:47 PM »
im one of the bigger guys here but i treat everyone with respect because we all started small.
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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2011, 11:01:38 PM »
I'm at work right now so can't do that.

 But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.
You can post your photos when you get home, OK?

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2011, 03:34:08 AM »
Many fellas here are nearly hyper-obsessed with numbers, particularly bodyweight. I've been as low as 129 when I was running cross country in high school, and as high as 211, about 5 years ago. Snowman made a great point about the shirt off thing, and I can relate to that. Case in point, I have been a "fat" 155 @ 13% and a ripped 155 @ 6% and the difference btw those 2 states is literally HUGE. Not huge muscles, but a huge dif in apperance that became much more noticable while wearing a string tank top

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2011, 03:39:00 AM »
People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.
^THIS^

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2011, 06:40:22 AM »
some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass

Nope. I trained hard for years. Quit two years ago and have started up and stopped again at least 5 times. Right now I'm working out again. I'm at about 80% of my max lifting weight and I look NO different from what I did years ago. I'm by no means a Getbig monster, but it's very clear to people that I work out. If only the realised how little I actually work out.
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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2011, 08:16:33 AM »
thats the good thing with natural training,. when you stop you stay the same practically. a juicer shrinks

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2011, 08:20:13 AM »
muscle memory, no ?
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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2011, 10:56:19 AM »
recently I had a 10 day lay off due to injury. I lost no size or strength.

Grabted this is not a long period but 5 years ago I would have felt a loss in size or strength I think.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2011, 10:57:43 AM »
I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.

 Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.

 He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.

 So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.

 He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.

 Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.

 What do you think?

There are some intrinsic value to working out independent of having big muscle. Health and fitness is one of them. I think a maintenance program of once a week training, provided that you still train intense enough to maintain your strength, is sufficient. And if you are active in other activities as you mentioned like biking/rock climbing then you will be, or still be, in great shape.

Some enjoy going to the gym for it's own sake, others do not. At this point in my life I can't imagine going to the gym six days a week. There's other things I would rather do. Weight training for me is about enhancing the quality of your life and not an end in itself. Nothing wrong though for those that get that rush hitting it everyday.

The program mentioned by dj, the "big three" is a good guideline though I would think of it more in terms of a pushing exercise, pulling, and a squatting type movement whether squats or leg press. I wouldn't be overly concerned with sticking to certain exercises or doing just free weights. I'd throw in some stiff leg deads for hams, lower back and to maintain some type of flexibility.

BTW BlackFlag, I thought you were doing some kind of contest?

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2011, 11:01:03 AM »
recently I had a 10 day lay off due to injury. I lost no size or strength.

Grabted this is not a long period but 5 years ago I would have felt a loss in size or strength I think.

But you're just a monster and one of the few genuinely good guys on this board. Hope all is going well with you, my friend.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2011, 12:08:58 PM »
Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2011, 12:12:39 PM »
Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.

Could you honestly just stop, please ?

I'm embarrassed for you

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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2011, 12:19:08 PM »
Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.

LMAO


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Re: For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2011, 12:44:06 PM »
What's so embarassing about it? It's just a logical application of the training stimulus. First one must fully recover, and only then can over-compensation occur, after full recovery.