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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #100 on: February 19, 2011, 11:41:49 AM »
Alot of us americans are intrigued by how a f#ing airhead can spout off retarded thoughts and actually have some people believe shes credible.
agreed, its also funny how ppl only apply that type of thought to ppl they disagree with...

i think palin needs to just go away but then again i think the same thing about obama for the same reasons...

how about you? ;)

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« Reply #101 on: February 19, 2011, 11:44:51 AM »
agreed, its also funny how ppl only apply that type of thought to ppl they disagree with...

i think palin needs to just go away but then again i think the same thing about obama for the same reasons...

how about you? ;)

Agree.  My beef with obama is he and geithner allowed the bailouts to score record profits off the back of taxpayers.  Those bank bailouts should of had some HARD stipulations attached!!!

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #102 on: February 19, 2011, 11:46:23 AM »
Agree.  My beef with obama is he and geithner allowed the bailouts to score record profits off the back of taxpayers.  Those bank bailouts should of had some HARD stipulations attached!!!


Ha ha ha - yeah, and santa claus is still real.   Geithner was head of the NY Fed under Bush and picked by obama for a specific reason.   

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #103 on: February 19, 2011, 11:48:38 AM »
Agree.  My beef with obama is he and geithner allowed the bailouts to score record profits off the back of taxpayers.  Those bank bailouts should of had some HARD stipulations attached!!!
agreed with that but that we knew was going to happen...its his agenda in a time of economic turmoil that is the real problem

and the main reason he needs to gtfo of here

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2011, 11:57:09 AM »

Ha ha ha - yeah, and santa claus is still real.   Geithner was head of the NY Fed under Bush and picked by obama for a specific reason.   

So your implying it was a plan.     Then that leads to the fact that these things may be intentional, the crashing of american money and power.  We then are taking orders from the UN or illuminati.......someone is steering this ship...but who?

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2011, 11:58:54 AM »
So your implying it was a plan.     Then that leads to the fact that these things may be intentional, the crashing of american money and power.  We then are taking orders from the UN or illuminati.......someone is steering this ship...but who?

Look up who Obama' biggest campaign contributors were and start there.   

Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc., look at the appointments, Geithner, Summers, Lew, Bernake, Rubin, etc. 

Draw your own conclusion.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2011, 11:59:53 AM »
Wisconsin Democrats Keep on the Move (Governor may cut funding for AWOL Senators' staff)
wall street journal ^ | 2/19/2011 | DOUGLAS BELKIN And KRIS MAHER


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State Democratic senators, holed up in out-of-state hotels, gave no timetable for a return to the capital, putting on hold a fiscal bill that would limit collective-bargaining rights for most state workers.

"When we go back is ultimately up to the governor's willingness to sit down and talk about this and come up with some sort of resolution," said Sen. Jon Erpenbach, who fled with 13 colleagues on Thursday to deprive Republicans of the needed quorum to pass the measure. He spoke by phone from a Chicago hotel, where he planned to stay Friday night.

But Republicans, surrounded by thousands of raucous protesters singing and chanting on the Capitol grounds, offered little hope of compromise.

"The protesters have every right to have their voices heard, but I'm not going to be intimidated into thinking I should ignore the voices of the five-and-a-half million taxpayers," said Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

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With no end to the standoff in sight, Mr. Walker said that if the Democratic senators don't return, he would consider cutting the funding that pays for their staff.


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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2011, 01:33:42 PM »
geez, i'm looking at this story for the first time...

what a bunch of whiny tools on all sides of the issue.  FOX news is tattling that some doctor gave out sick passes... the economy is collapsing and they're focusing upon some bullshit like this.

god, both the parties are playing people for fools and tools over this issue.  We should all be "oh so offended".  And we take our eye off everything else.  Bravo.  Teachers are using their sick days incorrectly, riots across the middle east... and we know what FOX focuses upon.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2011, 01:42:48 PM »
geez, i'm looking at this story for the first time...

what a bunch of whiny tools on all sides of the issue.  FOX news is tattling that some doctor gave out sick passes... the economy is collapsing and they're focusing upon some bullshit like this.


How is covering a state's attempts to rein in it's $3.5 billion deficit not relevant to the economy? You try too hard to spin this stuff off the Dems and have honestly become one of the shittier posters on this board as a result.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #109 on: February 19, 2011, 01:57:20 PM »
I haven't followed this story one bit, cause I find it boring.  That being said, politico reports this recent development:


PALIN CALLS WISCONSIN PROTESTERS UNAMERICAN...

Sarah Palin Addresses Wisconsin Protesters: You Must Be 'Willing To Sacrifice'

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49848.html#ixzz1EQkB9NIS



I don't know if she's right... but that's a pretty polarizing statement to make just before a potential presidential run.


STFU you homo- she is right and the lazy slobs leeching off the tax payer and skipping work because they have to pay into their healthcare plans like the rest of us and can't extort more money from a state that is currently  in a several billion dollar hole should all be fired on the spot along with the liberal bleeding vaginas in the Wisconsin State Senate. 

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #110 on: February 19, 2011, 02:02:40 PM »
240 - this issue is one of the biggest going because its about to be played out nationwide as states try to deal w the new normal in terms of revenue and expenses.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #111 on: February 19, 2011, 02:03:49 PM »
FDR's Ghost Is Smiling on Wisconsin's Governor
By Patrick McIlheran

Somewhere, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is grinning past his cigarette holder at Wisconsin's governor. They are on the same page regarding government unions.

Except that Scott Walker -- Republican cheapskate, his visage Hitlerized on signs waved by beet-faced union crowds besieging the Capitol -- is kind of a liberal squish compared to FDR. He's OK with some collective bargaining.

Walker, you might have heard, wants some changes in how Wisconsin deals with unions. He wants state employees to pay 5.8% of their salaries toward their pensions (they pay almost nothing now) and he wants them to cover 12.6% of their health care premiums (their share would go up from $79 a month to about $200; the average private-sector sap pays about $330).

Unions are enraged. They've been calling such increases unspeakable since Walker was elected handily in November. Then, Feb. 10, Walker went further. He'd allow public-sector unions to negotiate only pay, not benefits, mainly because he wants HSA-style health plans and 401(k)-style retirements for state workers, and unions would fight that, tooth and ragged red claw.

So unions erupted. Teachers faked illness in such numbers as to close school districts for days. Mobs beat on the doors of legislative chambers. And in some heavenly Hyde Park, the great liberal god of the 1930s is saying he saw it all along.

Roosevelt's reign certainly was the bright dawn of modern unionism. The legal and administrative paths that led to 35% of the nation's workforce eventually unionizing by a mid-1950s peak were laid by Roosevelt.

But only for the private sector. Roosevelt openly opposed bargaining rights for government unions.

"The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," Roosevelt wrote in 1937 to the National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, "I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place" in the public sector. "A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government."

And if you're the kind of guy who capitalizes "government," woe betide such obstructionists.

Roosevelt wasn't alone. It was orthodoxy among Democrats through the '50s that unions didn't belong in government work. Things began changing when, in 1959, Wisconsin's then-Gov. Gaylord Nelson signed collective bargaining into law for state workers. Other states followed, and gradually, municipal workers and teachers were unionized, too.

Even as that happened, the future was visible. Frank Zeidler, Milwaukee's mayor in the 1950s and the last card-carrying Socialist to head a major U.S. city, supported labor. But in 1969, the progressive icon wrote that rise of unions in government work put a competing power in charge of public business next to elected officials. Government unions "can mean considerable loss of control over the budget, and hence over tax rates," he warned.

There was "a revolutionary principle rather quietly at work in American government," he wrote.

The principle was working at about 100 decibels in Wisconsin's Capitol last week, once the union drum-beaters got going. What worked them up was the money they'd concede, they said, but even more that Walker would make their unions surrender the control they'd gained over every government budget.

Walker, like other Republicans, was long accused of hating government. For eight years as chief executive of heavily Democrat Milwaukee County, he would not raise taxes, which opponents said showed his contempt for government.

Yet all this past week, he praised public employees and he said the work government does is so necessary, taxpayers should get as much of it for their money as possible. Meanwhile, thousands of schoolteachers on the Capitol lawn manifested their intent to obstruct Government and their belief that the tots back at Roosevelt Elementary could darn well spend a day or three watching Nickelodeon at home.

And, to beat all, the president who now professes to be the new Reagan weighed in to say Walker was being unduly mean to unions. President Obama gave no audible word on whether unions were being unduly mean in shutting down schools.

Walker, good Republican, is no FDR but he is offering Wisconsin a new deal, lower-case. Wisconsin's been a seedbed of bad ideas since it hatched Progressivism, and for years it's stuck with unionized government even as the price swelled. Walker's radical shift is to try securing necessary government at a better price. The unions, whose model depends on making government labor as costly as taxpayers will bear, object.

May they be haunted by the ghost of the 32nd president, and his little dog, too.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/02/19/the_ghost_of_fdr_is_smiling_on_wisconsins_governor_108962.html

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #112 on: February 19, 2011, 02:07:49 PM »
These public sector unions better jump at these deals where there are no layoffs in return for a little giveback or the ax will really swing and thousands will be let go as the states are mostly under constituional mandate to balance their books.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #113 on: February 19, 2011, 04:15:32 PM »
Fake Doctors’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally
MacIver News Service ^ | 2/19/11



[Madison, WI] As tens of thousands of public employees skipped work this week to attend protest rallies outside the Wisconsin State Capitol, many wondered if they would face any disciplinary action for unexcused absences.

On Saturday, a group of men and women in lab coats purporting to be doctors were handing out medical excuse notes, without examining the ‘patients.’

“I asked this doctor what he was doing and he told me they were handing out excuses to people who were feeling sick due to emotional, mental or financial distress,” said Christian Hartsock. “They never performed an exam–he asked me how I was feeling today and I said I’m from California and I’m not used to the cold, so he handed me a note.”

Another woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said they were handing out excuses like they were leaflets.

“I asked if they were handing out doctors’ excuses and a guy said yes and asked me if I needed one,” she said. “When I told them I needed one for February 16 and 17th, he wondered if I wanted to come back here for the protests next week.”

What happened next?

“I said, ‘sure,’ and I received a doctor’s note for the 16th through the 25th of February, without a medical exam.”

The notes read

Feb 19, 2011

Patient’s name______

Date of birth ____/_____/_____

To Whom it May Concern:

This is confirm I have seen and evaluated the above named patient.

Please excuse from work/school due to a medical condition from

____/____/____ through

Please contact me at badgerdoctors@gmail.com if additional information is needed. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Physician Signature:

Physician Name

WI license number

Based on an examination of the signature and medical license number provided, one of the men handing out these notes was purporting to be James H Shropshire MD, a Clinical Associate Professor at the University Wisconsin Madison.

At this time, MacIver News Service is attempting to contact Dr. Shropshire to see if indeed he was the one handing out the notes on the Capitol Square.



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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #114 on: February 19, 2011, 04:19:46 PM »
Incredible.  If a doctor is writing phony letters, he or she should be disciplined.  If the employees are just making them up, they should be fired. 

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« Reply #115 on: February 19, 2011, 04:25:12 PM »

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« Reply #116 on: February 19, 2011, 04:27:06 PM »
Incredible.  If a doctor is writing phony letters, he or she should be disciplined.  If the employees are just making them up, they should be fired. 

I have a better solution. We have a mutually beneficial relationship with China. How about a Tienamen Square moment where we send in the Chinese military to participate in mass executions and tank maimings. Libs always say we should be more like China. I say we give them what they want.

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« Reply #117 on: February 19, 2011, 04:29:16 PM »
That scumbag at 1:45 needs his license revoked for fraud. 

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #118 on: February 19, 2011, 06:17:27 PM »
February 18, 2011
Categories:Nancy Pelosi.Pelosi backs Wisconsin protesters


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi came out strongly in support of Wisconsin teachers and students who are protesting Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal to public employees of collective bargaining rights.

Pelosi told reporters Friday that the protests are “an extraordinary show of democracy in action.”

“Wisconsin's workers, teachers and public servants must have a seat at the table to fight for a safe workplace,” she said. “I stand in solidarity with the Wisconsin workers fighting for their rights, especially for all the students and young people leading the charge.”


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #119 on: February 19, 2011, 06:18:56 PM »

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« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2011, 06:31:35 PM »


He said they were having private conversations/consultations?  Really?  Surrounded by what looks like hundreds of people on a public street.   ::)

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« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2011, 06:32:15 PM »
I have a better solution. We have a mutually beneficial relationship with China. How about a Tienamen Square moment where we send in the Chinese military to participate in mass executions and tank maimings. Libs always say we should be more like China. I say we give them what they want.

I wish some of these people would move to China.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2011, 06:34:32 PM »
Ha ha ha - these liberal pukes are going down like the titanic. 

F'ing morons. 



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« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2011, 06:56:17 PM »
Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic ('setting themselves up for a BIG failure')
Yahoo ^ | 2/19/11 | Eric Johnson



Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic
By Eric Johnson – 17 mins ago


CHICAGO (Reuters) – As demonstrators wrangled on Saturday over Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's move to weaken public unions, analysts weighed the consequences of 14 Democratic senators' decision to flee the state to stall the bill's consideration.


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"As far as the constitution goes, there is nothing that expressly forbids their actions," Copelovitch said. "But if the same thing that is happening in Wisconsin spreads to other states, there should be explicit rules written to forbid it."


Senator Jon Erpenbach said Friday that the senators were prepared to be away for weeks, and Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca said he didn't know when they would return.


"Sooner or later all 14 will have to return--they are away from their states, homes, and businesses," said Sabato, adding that a vote is inevitable and the mathematics is not on the side of the Democrats.


"The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view. The downside is they are setting themselves up for a big failure in public relations at some point," Sabato said.


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« Reply #124 on: February 19, 2011, 07:03:28 PM »
Largest protest yet fails to sway Wis. lawmakers
AP – Tom Braun and Nathaniel Raghez, both of Milwaukee, debate opposite sides of Wisconsin's proposed budget …



MADISON, Wis. – Sometimes they cursed each other, sometimes they shook hands, sometimes they walked away from each other in disgust.

None of it — not the ear-splitting chants, the pounding drums or the back-and-forth debate between 70,000 protesters — changed the minds of Wisconsin lawmakers dug into a stalemate over Republican efforts to scrap union rights for almost all public workers.

"The people who are not around the Capitol square are with us," said Rep. Robin Vos, a Republican from Rochester and co-chair of the Legislature's budget committee. "They may have a bunch around the square, but we've got the rest on our side."

After nearly a week of political chaos in Madison, during which tens of thousands of pro-labor protesters turned the Capitol into a campsite that had started to smell like a locker room, supporters of Gov. Scott Walker came out in force Saturday.

They gathered on the muddy east lawn of the Capitol and were soon surrounded by a much larger group of union supporters who countered their chants of "Pass the bill! Pass the bill!" with chants of "Kill the bill! Kill the bill!"

"Go home!" union supporters yelled at Scott Lemke, a 46-year-old machine parts salesman from Cedarburg who wore a hard hat and carried a sign that read "If you don't like it, quit" on one side, and "If you don't like that, try you're fired" on the other.

A lone demonstrator stood between the crowds, saying nothing and holding a sign: "I'm praying that we can all respect each other. Let's try to understand each other."

The Wisconsin governor, elected in November's GOP wave that also gave control of the state Assembly and Senate to Republicans, set off the protests earlier this week by pushing ahead with a measure that would require government workers to contribute more to their health care and pension costs and largely eliminate their collective bargaining rights.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, said the crowds that have gotten bigger each day have yet to win over any member of his caucus.

"What they're getting from individuals back home is stick to your guns, don't let them get to you," Fitzgerald said. "Every senator I've spoken to today is getting that back home, which is awesome. It's great to hear from people who are part of a rally ... (but) two people you meet at a fish fry or a person who comes up to you at a basketball game, those comments sink in."

Fitzgerald and other Republicans say the concessions are needed to deal with the state's projected $3.6 billion budget shortfall and to avoid layoffs of government workers. The move to restrict union rights has also taken hold in other states, including Tennessee and Indiana, where lawmakers have advanced bills to restrict bargaining for teachers' unions.

The throngs of Walker supporters who arrived in Madison on Saturday for an afternoon rally organized by Tea Party Patriots, the movement's largest umbrella group, and Americans for Prosperity, carried signs with a fresh set of messages: "Your Gravy Train Is Over ... Welcome to the Recession" and "Sorry, we're late Scott. We work for a living."

"We pay the bills!" tea party favorite Herman Cain yelled to cheers from the pro-Walker crowd. "This is why you elected Scott Walker, and he's doing his job. ... Wisconsin is broke. My question for the other side is, `What part of broke don't you understand?'"

Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate, short of the votes needed to keep Republicans from passing the so-called "budget repair" bill, fled the state on Thursday. They haven't been seen since, and said Saturday they are more resolved than ever to stay away "as long as it takes" until Walker agrees to negotiate.

"I don't think he's really thought it through, to be honest," Democratic Sen. Jon Erpenbach, of Middleton, said Saturday.

Democrats offered again Saturday to agree to the parts of Walker's proposal, so long as workers retain their right to negotiate with the state as a union.

Fitzgerald said that's an offer the GOP has rejected for months. The restrictions on collective bargaining rights are necessary so that local governments and the state have the flexibility needed to balance budgets after cuts Walker plans to announce next month, he said.

Walker, who was spending time with his family Saturday and didn't appear in public, also rejected the Democrats offer. His spokesman, Cullen Werwie, said the fastest way to end the stalemate was for Democrats to return and "do their jobs."

Madison police estimated that 60,000 or more people were outside the Capitol on Saturday, with up to 8,000 more inside. The normally an immaculate building had become a mess of mud-coated floors that reeked from days of protesters standing shoulder-to-shoulder.

Police spokesman Joel DeSpain said there were no arrests or problems during Saturday's protests. "We've seen and shown the world that in Madison, Wis., we can bring people together who disagree strongly on a bill in a peaceful way," he said.

Steve Boss, 26, a refrigerator technician from Oostburg, carried a sign that read "The Protesters Are All `Sick' -- Wash your Hands," a reference to the teacher sick-outs that swelled crowds at the Capitol to 40,000 people Friday and raised the noise in its rotunda to earsplitting levels. Boss said the cuts Walker has proposed were painful but needed to fix the state's financial problems.

"It's time to address the issue. They (public workers) got to take the same cuts as everyone else," he said. "It's a fairness thing."

Doctors from numerous hospitals set up a station near the Capitol to provide notes to explain public employees' absences from work. Family physician Lou Sanner, 59, of Madison, said he had given out hundreds of notes. Many of the people he spoke with seemed to be suffering from stress, he said.

"What employers have a right to know is if the patient was assessed by a duly licensed physician about time off of work," Sanner said. "Employers don't have a right to know the nature of that conversation or the nature of that illness. So it's as valid as every other work note that I've written for the last 30 years."


John Black, 46, of Madison, said he came out to the rallies in order to help bridge the gap between the pro-labor protesters and Walker's supporters. He carried signs that asked for a compromise on the budget bill while a friend's son handed out purple flowers.

"We liked Scott Walker as a change agent, but he moved too quickly and because of that there's always room for compromise," Black said.

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Associated Press writers Scott Bauer and Dinesh Ramde contributed to this report.