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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #150 on: February 21, 2011, 06:56:21 AM »
thanks to teh Florida hiring freeze, there are thousands of teachers who can't find work here.  Stopping work altogether in WI = FAIL


Still, tossing around that phrase 'unamerican'....

They can be wrong.  They can be morons... they can be lazy fvcksticks... but to say they are unamerican is pretty tough landguage... i haven't seen the word "unamerican" used to describe serial killers, rapists, etc... but a teacher who is pissed suddenly HATES AMERICA?

Sorry, I can't agree with that.  Call them bags of shit, I have no problem with that.  But the moment "anyone who protests over XYZ hates America" is accepted, it's a slippery slope.


Can I call them thieves, fraudulent hacks, cry babies, and pieces of shit?   

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #151 on: February 21, 2011, 07:01:18 AM »

Can I call them thieves, fraudulent hacks, cry babies, and pieces of shit?   

Absolutely, 1000%.   From their point of view, the teachers are not willing to give up their collective bargaining rights (forever)... I can't blame them there... and they don't wanna take a pay cut.  THEIR motive is, I'm losing power, control, and a shitload of $ each year. 

Okay, so sure they can be pissed.  Should they be striking?  No, but this is America and it's not like they're shutting down airlines or the army.  They're shutting down schools.  And if the governor wants to fire their silly asses, so be it.  They know the law, and if they're breaking their contract, dump em.  I'm a-okay with that!



But for any politician to say "if you strike, you hate america'..... well, that's dangerous.  Why not just come right out and call them communists?  The teachers have a right to be pissed, but they're not handling it correctly.  Fire them if you feel the need.  But that kind of wording, reminds me of some sad times in our history where people were on communist lists, etc.


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #152 on: February 21, 2011, 07:08:09 AM »
Absolutely, 1000%.   From their point of view, the teachers are not willing to give up their collective bargaining rights (forever)... I can't blame them there... and they don't wanna take a pay cut.  THEIR motive is, I'm losing power, control, and a shitload of $ each year. 

Okay, so sure they can be pissed.  Should they be striking?  No, but this is America and it's not like they're shutting down airlines or the army.  They're shutting down schools.  And if the governor wants to fire their silly asses, so be it.  They know the law, and if they're breaking their contract, dump em.  I'm a-okay with that!



But for any politician to say "if you strike, you hate america'..... well, that's dangerous.  Why not just come right out and call them communists?  The teachers have a right to be pissed, but they're not handling it correctly.  Fire them if you feel the need.  But that kind of wording, reminds me of some sad times in our history where people were on communist lists, etc.



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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #153 on: February 21, 2011, 07:11:31 AM »

From Cairo to Madison, some pizza
By: Meredith Shiner
February 20, 2011 04:05 PM EST

 
MADISON, Wis. — Someone in Egypt has been paying attention to what’s happening in Madison and wanted to send a message of solidarity from across the globe — so they ordered a pizza.

It might seem like a small gesture, but it’s overwhelming to the staff at Ian’s on State Street — a campus staple mere blocks from the Capitol — where in the last few days, they’ve fielded calls from concerned citizens of 12 countries, and 38 out of 50 states looking to donate money to provide free pizza to the Wisconsinites who have congregated here.

On Saturday alone, Ian’s gave away 1,057 free slices in their store and delivered more than 300 pizzas to the Capitol itself.

By 2 p.m. local time Sunday, they’d given away 351 slices and sent countless other full pies to the rotunda, where protesters have been gathering since well before noon. As a few locals stood waiting for their slices, an Ian’s staffer went to the chalkboard hanging behind the register and wrote, “Turkey” in big block letters and co-workers expressed a sense of disbelief.

“I don’t think we started it,” said Ryan O’Connor, a sophomore at a local technical school who works the register at Ian’s. “We made a post to our Facebook page because of the volume of calls we already had been getting unprompted.”

O’Connor said Ian’s got its first call Thursday when a mother of a University of Wisconsin student called and offered to donate $200 to help feed the people her daughter told her had flooded the Capitol. Since then, the outpouring of money from all over the world has put the pizza-makers into overdrive.

The blackboard behind the counter lists the “countries donating” as “Korea, Finland, Egypt, Denmark, Australia, US, Canada, Germany, China, London, Netherlands, Turkey” and has the abbreviations for all 50 states listed below, with donating states circled. As of Sunday afternoon, 38 states had been marked as contributors.

The small pizza chain with locations in Madison and Chicago has been using Facebook and Twitter to take what started as one phone call and make it into an international movement. Saturday night, the State Street location was so overwhelmed by orders it had to cease its delivery operations. But employees still are finding time to update the restaurant’s social media pages to keep the pizza revolution going and share with the world their chalkboard progress.

“This is astounding!” Ian’s posted Saturday to twitter.
 
 
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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #154 on: February 21, 2011, 07:11:52 AM »
so because there's a bookstand there with some bullshit periodicals... we know that the 70,000 people there all hate america, huh?

Come on dude... the CTer in you should know the easiest way to undermine any movement is to send in 20 guys to throw rocks, and hold up racist signs.  


And look at the numbers... There were 20 people at every tea party rally with racist signs... that didn't mean there were 20 million racists voting tea party.. just a few morons.  Tea party isn't racist, and striking teachers (while irresponsible) do not hate america.



Especially after the BS job the lib media did painting the tea party as racist for a few idiots with the N-word on their sign... I didn't expect you to call 70,000 people un-american cause one moron sets up a bookstand.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #155 on: February 21, 2011, 07:13:11 AM »
so because there's a bookstand there with some bullshit periodicals... we know that the 70,000 people there all hate america, huh?

Come on dude... the CTer in you should know the easiest way to undermine any movement is to send in 20 guys to throw rocks, and hold up racist signs.  


And look at the numbers... There were 20 people at every tea party rally with racist signs... that didn't mean there were 20 million racists voting tea party.. just a few morons.  Tea party isn't racist, and striking teachers (while irresponsible) do not hate america.



Especially after the BS job the lib media did painting the tea party as racist for a few idiots with the N-word on their sign... I didn't expect you to call 70,000 people un-american cause one moron sets up a bookstand.


Yes you did.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #156 on: February 21, 2011, 07:29:31 AM »

Yes you did.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #157 on: February 21, 2011, 07:34:04 AM »
Protesters in Wisconsin Say They Are Staying Put
nytimes ^ | February 20, 2011 | Andy Manis


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Union leaders urged Wisconsin teachers to return to work at schools that are open on Monday, but large protests were expected to continue at the Capitol against a plan to cut collective bargaining rights and benefits to state workers.

“We’ll be here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday — as long as it takes,” Gary Lonzo, a union organizer and former Wisconsin corrections officer, said Sunday as he watched protesters banging drums and waving signs here for a sixth day in a row. “We’re not going anywhere.”

As the protests went on through falling sleet and snow, some lawmakers suggested that a compromise might yet be possible over the cuts that Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican, has proposed. A spokesman for Dale Schultz, a moderate Republican senator, said that Mr. Schultz supported Mr. Walker, particularly in his assessment that the state budget situation was dire, but that Mr. Schultz also hoped to work to preserve collective bargaining rights.


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Unions are overplaying this.   

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #158 on: February 21, 2011, 07:37:49 AM »
I'm glad the teachers are staying out of work.....only because I think that the sympathy they might have been getting will be massively lessened when parents are scrambling for childcare and possibly missing work days to care for their children.  Watch the support melt.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #159 on: February 21, 2011, 07:40:17 AM »
I'm glad the teachers are staying out of work.....only because I think that the sympathy they might have been getting will be massively lessened when parents are scrambling for childcare and possibly missing work days to care for their children.  Watch the support melt.

Why should they get any sympathy at all?   We all are dealing with the horrible economy, so why should they be immune? 

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #160 on: February 21, 2011, 07:44:07 AM »
Medical Fraud in Madison
Big Government dot com ^ | 2-19-11 | Dr. David Janda


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What is occurring in Madison, Wisconsin has become a microcosm of what is happening across America: conservative care givers are being blocked by progressive liberal statists. In Wisconsin, the elected Governor and conservative legislature are trying to institute rational, humane treatment to a sick patient, the state of Wisconsin’s failed economy. Unfortunately, progressive liberal statists and unions, as self-appointed “family members” of the patient, have decided to withhold treatment by NOT allowing the caregivers in the room and by trying to hide the patient in another state.

The progressive liberal statists and unions have taken the situation to a fraudulent and possibly criminal level, with the help of The Democratic National Committee, Organizing For America and their mouthpiece the “Organizer in Chief:” Barack Obama. They have recruited “physicians” in their white coats to hand out FRAUDULENT work notes to the “victims” of the needed treatment. These “physicians” in white coats were eerily similar in appearance to the “physicians” in white coats who slithered into the Rose Garden during the debate on Obama Care. In their actions, these “physicians” have violated and compromised The Hippocratic Oath, medical ethics and committed medical fraud.

The video of Andrew Breitbart shows him being “diagnosed” with “Walker Pneumonia” and being given a “medical release” from work. This is all the evidence needed to bring those “physicians” up on charges of FRAUD before the State of Wisconsin Medical Review Board, The State of Wisconsin Medical Society and The Wisconsin Attorney General’s Office. What these “physicians” have done is incomprehensible to those of us that uphold the Oath 24-7 year in and year out.

Thirty years ago, I stood with my 150 classmates in Thorn Hall, at Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago, as Dean James Eckenhoff asked us to raise our right hands and repeat after him:

I will apply measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice.

Those words, from The Hippocratic Oath written in 400 B.C., changed my life and the lives of the hundreds of thousands of patients my classmates and I have touched over the past thirty years. I keep this Oath as my foundation as a practicing physician, clinical researcher and health care policy analyst. Unfortunately, the actions taken by those “physicians” in Madison wearing white coats and handing out FRAUDULENT “medical releases” harms ALL of us trying to uphold that sacred Oath.

Based on what I have seen from the progressive liberal statists, I would not be surprised if their next “stunt” will be to bring out the medical icon of the left for an appearance in Madison: Dr. Death himself, Jack Kevorkian. The problem is, we cannot sit by silently and watch Wisconsin self-administer this lethal injection, instead of swallowing the bitter, but life-saving medicine it so needs.

This is a country of free speech, and all are welcomed to the discussion. All sides need to be heard – legally and peacefully. Let’s not lose sight of truth and reality in that discussion. Yes, the needed medicine can be bitter, and can have difficult side effects. However, if we refuse to face the necessary steps, the patient, Wisconsin and our Country, will continue its downslide. The State will be bankrupt and there will be nothing there to pay any union benefits – or anything else. The heart and lungs of this patient will falter, and there will be nothing left to sustain that left hand flailing in the wind.


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #161 on: February 21, 2011, 07:52:04 AM »
Protesting Teachers Could Reap $6 Million from Taxpayers to Attend Rallies
MacIver News Service ^ | 2/21/2011 | MacIver News Service



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[Madison, Wisc...] As Milwaukee Public School teachers left their classrooms to march in Madison Friday, they likely earned more than $3 million to not teach students in Wisconsin’s largest school district.

In Madison, the school district was closed for three days after hundreds of teachers engaged in a mass sick-out so they could attend protest rallies at the State Capitol. That could cost the district $2.7 million.

Late Sunday night Madison Metropolitan School District administration announced their schools would be shut down yet one more day, at a possible cost of more than $900,000.

Many of absent teachers converged on the Capitol to protest a bill which would alter their compensation packages and make changes in government employee unions’ ability to collectively bargain on issues other than wages.

While some have speculated that the absent teachers will see their pay docked, that may not be the case if they provide a doctor’s note. Due to collective bargaining rules currently in place, the absences could be considered excused and the teachers would be paid for their protesting.

That possibility took on added significance as the MacIver News Service broke the story Saturday that several doctors in lab coats were handing out medical excuse notes to passers by, without examining the ‘patients.’

“I asked if they were handing out doctors’ excuses and a guy said yes and asked me if I needed one,” one woman told MNS Saturday. “When I told them I needed one for February 16 and 17th, he wondered if I wanted to come back here for the protests next week.”

What happened next surprised her.

“I said, ‘sure,’ and I received a doctor’s note for the 16th through the 25th of February, without a medical exam.”

If all the teachers in Milwaukee and Madison are paid for the days missed, the protest related salaries for just the state’s two largest districts would exceed $6.6 million dollars.

Using a figure of $100,005 for average teacher compensation in MPS  and an average yearly workload of 195 days, these teachers cost approximately $513 per day in salary and benefits to employ. Spread over 5,960.3 full-time licensed teachers in the district, this adds up to $3,057,634 in daily expenses.

The average teacher’s total compensation in Madison is $74,912, according to the Department of Public Instruction. Each day costs $384.16 per teacher. The district has 2,370 teachers. 

These figures don’t include administrators and support staff, many of which got an unexpected paid days off thanks to the week’s protests.

The issue extends far beyond Milwaukee and Madison, however. More than two dozen school districts were closed for at least one day last week as teachers called in sick to attend protests over the Budget Repair bill in Madison.

MNS is examining the total costs associated with those teachers’ salaries and will update this story when those figures are available.


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #162 on: February 21, 2011, 08:14:02 AM »
Wisconsin gov to Dems: Stop vacation and get to work (Walker ridicules all 14 RAT Fleas!)
Chicago Breaking News ^ | 2/21/11




Wis. gov to Dems: Stop vacation and get to work
Gov. Scott Walker holds firm as protests continue
Associated Press
8:21 a.m. CST, February 21, 2011


Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker today ridiculed the 14 Democratic state senators for skipping town rather than voting on a bill that takes away collective bargaining rights for public workers.


Walker's officre released a statement accusing the Democrats of "vacationing" while taxpayers who pay their salaries are hard at work.


"Instead of stimulating the hospitality sector of Illinois’ economy, Senate Democrats should come back to the Madison, debate the bill, cast their vote, and help get Wisconsin’s economy back on track," Walker said in the statement.


The Democrats say they won't return unless Walker is willing to make concessions to the bill, something he has been unwilling to do. Republican legislative leaders say they have the votes to pass the bill as is.


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He i 100% correct in this. 

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #163 on: February 21, 2011, 08:45:25 AM »

Wisconsin's Real Doctors and Their Fake Sick Notes for Protesters
By Ford Vox
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/print/2011/02/wisconsins-real-doctors-and-their-fake-sick-notes-for-protesters/71500





Fears over becoming hostage to soaring health insurance premiums has Wisconsin's teachers and other public employees protesting in downtown Madison for the second week running. It's a very real threat to their economic stability, one they'll be ill-equipped to tackle without the unionizing rights proposed legislation would deny them.

No doubt many members of the University of Wisconsin's Department of Family Medicine share the teachers' concerns. Public employees are joining a struggle already familiar to most patients. Family doctors work the front lines advocating for our interests amidst a disintegrating health care system, summoning the will to keep battling with insurers and administrators all while trying to hold on to their belief that they can change human behavior. Family doctors feel your pain and have the battle scars to prove it.

But last week some of these weary warriors carried their patient advocacy too far. In videos breathlessly presented throughout the conservative mediasphere this weekend [scroll down to see], doctor after doctor is videotaped writing patently fraudulent sick notes so that the protesting teachers (whose contracts specify that missing work without an excuse can result in dismissal) can keep marching on against the state's union-busting Republican government.

After viewing the videos at my request last night, Dr. Arthur Derse called me up exclaiming, "Holy mackerel! It's much worse than it looked in the paper. I'm stunned, absolutely stunned." Dr. Derse is the Director of Center for Bioethics and Medical Humanities a the Medical College of Wisconsin. "When all's said and done, it's really the profession of medicine that has the black eye in this case," he says.

There is no question these doctors are masking political opinion in the white coat of the medical profession, Dr. Derse believes. "The videos are pretty damning."

It's sad, but what puzzles me most is how in the world three of the four physicians I can identify from these videos and other media reports are faculty members of UW's Family Medicine department, and one is a senior resident in that same department. It's a good training program, committed to providing sorely-needed primary care doctors to the state of Wisconsin. It teaches professionalism, and its faculty are supposed to model integrity. What were they thinking?

They've managed to belittle a public trust between physicians, employers and patients. A doctor's sick note is a serious document. It represents an employer's desire to verify through a respected, independent, medically qualified third party the fact of an illness and the true need for convalescence. In the videos now circulating online, we witness multiple members of a noted family medicine department trash one of the well-recognized rights and privileges of their profession, with little forethought as to the consequences.

UW's doctors have demeaned not only the doctor-patient relationship, but in so doing, risked the stature doctors hold in our discourse on public policy. When commenting on social issues, physicians trade on the honor of our profession, benefiting from the public's assumption that the wisdom won of caring for so many at their most vulnerable imbues us with some privileged understanding of collective need.

In one of the videos and a newspaper account, Associate Professor Lou Sanner says he's giving out sick notes for "stress" (not a medical diagnosis). He claims he's forming doctor-patient relationships in his slapdash street encounters with apparently healthy protesters. Besides his work in bioethics, Dr. Derse is an emergency physician, regularly tasked with determining fitness for work. He's offended by Dr. Sanner's thin claims. "I couldn't imagine just walking up to people with a stack of work excuses, 'What's your name? Here you go.' ... It reflects poorly on the practice of medicine, and it reflects poorly on physicians who actually do take the time and effort try to determine whether someone is ill and is legitimately away from work," he adds.

These doctors sacrificed a slice of the medical profession's credibility for a political cause. Was it worth it? The fallout is mounting.

After declining to make an administrator available for comment, a public affairs representative
for the University of Wisconsin read the following statement:

It has been reported by some local news media that some protesters at Capitol Square in Madison, Wisconsin have received medical excuse notes from physicians associated with UW Health. While we cannot confirm this event, physicians who may be distributing such material are doing so of their own accord and do not represent UW Health on this issue. We are looking further into this matter.

There's little left to confirm. I expect we will be hearing more from UW this week. UW's unwitting family doctors were swarmed by enterprising conservative videographers who know an O'Keefe moment when it slaps them upside the head. They handily outmaneuvered their naďve prey, succeeding in recording every foible. The videos, including an especially uncomfortable one featuring resident Dr. Patrick McKenna (son of a teacher!), make their intentions transparent and reveal they didn't think too far ahead.

When they did stay on it message, it wasn't much to behold. One of the unidentified young physicians tells an inquisitive local libertarian organization called the MacIver Institute, "We are here writing doctor's notes to support our public employees who have been mentally anguished and distressed this last week and needed to be out here for their mental health." Medically speaking, that's comedy.

Elsewhere in the tape UW faculty member Dr. James Shropshire signs a fake sick note for the MacIver videographer, who tells him he's from California and isn't tolerating the cold Wisconsin weather so well. Dr. Shropshire responds flatly, "So I'm concerned about that. I'd like you to take the rest of the day off today, get some rest, and try to stay healthy," and signs his excuse note.

I discussed what happens next with Dr. Tim Bartholow, Senior Vice President for policy, membership and professional development at the Wisconsin Medical Society. "We do know that our medical examining board is aware, and I think they need to be aware," he says. "I don't think our medical board will be reluctant to respond if they find misrepresentation."

I expect forthcoming complaints will center around this idea of fraudulent representation (and come from folks with obvious political agendas). Theoretically a school board official could make a complaint that their organization was financially harmed (many schools had to close due to the number of teachers at the protests, and some may have received pay on sick days). I'll wager any complaining school board official will be a registered Republican.
Personally I think suspension or revocation of medical licenses would be quite a disproportionate response to the actual harm involved in this high-profile infraction of professional ethics.

The lasting damage is medicine's tarnished public image, and it is in that context that the Wisconsin Medical Society should craft a swift response. As is the case in every state, medical societies represent professional interests and are separate institutions from the medical boards responsible for issuing licenses. Societies accept members in good standing with the boards. In the two years Dr. Bartholow has worked for Wisconsin's medical society, his organization has never had to issue a position statement on a particular case. That silent streak probably ends now, given that the body is charged with representing Wisconsin's doctors to its citizens and its government.

"I think the physicians were seeking to support individually an action that they thought was important, but there are probably going to be some discussions about whether that comports fully with the patient-physician relationship," Dr. Bartholow says.

I've requested interviews with the four UW physicians I could identify and hope to share their side here with you.




















This article available online at:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/02/wisconsins-real-doctors-and-their-fake-sick-notes-for-protesters/71500/






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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #164 on: February 21, 2011, 08:57:34 AM »
48% Back GOP Governor in Wisconsin Spat, 38% Side With Unions
Monday, February 21, 2011

A sizable number of voters are following new Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s showdown with unionized public employees in his state, and nearly half side with the governor.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters agree more with the Republican governor in his dispute with union workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) agree more with the unionized public employees, while 14% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

In an effort to close the state’s sizable budget deficit, Walker is proposing to eliminate collective bargaining for public employees including teachers on everything but wage issues. He is excluding public safety workers such as policemen and firemen from his plan.

Thirty-eight percent (38%) of voters think teachers, firemen and policemen should be allowed to go on strike, but 49% disagree and believe they should not have that right. Thirteen percent (13%) are not sure.

There’s strong partisan disagreement on both questions and a wide gap between the Political Class and Mainstream voters.

Thirty-six percent (36%) of all voters say that in their state the average public employee earns more than the average private sector worker. Twenty-one percent (21%) say the government employee earns less, while 20% think their pay is about the same. Twenty-three percent (23%) are not sure.

With states across the country finding that benefits for public workers are becoming difficult to fund in the current economic climate, support for public employee unions has fallen.  Forty-five percent (45%) of Americans favor them, and 45% don’t. These findings include 21% who Strongly Favor such unions and 30% who are Strongly Opposed to them.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on February 18-19, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Fifty percent (50%) of voters favor reducing their home state’s government payroll by one percent a year for 10 years either by reducing the number of state employees or by cutting the pay of state workers.

Twenty-eight percent (28%) oppose a cut of this nature, while another 23% aren’t sure about it.

In a survey last month, voters were evenly divided over the idea of a 10% across-the-board pay cut for all state employees to help reduce overall spending.

Public employee unions have long been strong supporters, financially and otherwise, of Democratic Party candidates, so it’s no surprise that 68% of Democrats support the union workers in the Wisconsin dispute.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Republicans and 56% of voters not affiliated with either of the major political parties side with the governor.

Most Democrats (54%) say teachers, firemen and policemen should be allowed to go on strike. The majority of GOP voters (62%) and unaffiliateds (58%) disagree.

While 61% of Republicans and 56% of unaffiliated voters like the idea of a one percent reduction in their state’s government payroll for the next 10 years, a plurality (41%) of Democrats are opposed.

The Political Class’ opposition is more emphatic. Sixty-four percent (64%) of Political Class voters oppose a payroll cut of this kind, while 56% of those in the Mainstream think it’s a good idea.

But then 56% of Mainstream voters agree more with the governor in the Wisconsin dispute, while 56% of the Political Class side with the union workers.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of all voters say they are following at least somewhat closely news reports about the Wisconsin governor’s effort to limit collective bargaining rights for most state employees, with 37% who are following Very Closely.

With new Republican majorities in both chambers of Wisconsin’s legislature, the governor’s plan is likely to pass, prompting thousands of protesting public workers and their allies to descend on the state capital.

President Obama and the Rev. Jesse Jackson, among others, have publicly sided with the protestors, while national Republicans have backed the governor.

A sizable majority of Americans say their states are now having major budget problems, and they think spending cuts, not higher taxes, are the solution.

Most voters continue to oppose federal bailouts for financially troubled states.  Voters aren’t thrilled with the idea of letting states declare bankruptcy, but they're more supportive if told government employees might have their pensions reduced in the process.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) of Americans say politicians’ unwillingness to reduce government spending is to blame for the budget crises in many states.

When it comes to the nation’s historic-level federal budget deficit, 70% of all voters think voters are more willing to make the hard choices needed to reduce government spending than elected politicians are.

Sixty-six percent (66%) of all voters nationwide favor a proposal to cut the federal payroll by 10% over the coming decade.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans think workers in the private sector work harder than government workers.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2011/48_back_gop_governor_in_wisconsin_spat_38_side_with_unions



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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #165 on: February 21, 2011, 09:02:24 AM »
Why should they get any sympathy at all?   We all are dealing with the horrible economy, so why should they be immune? 

Thats not what I said.  I personally don't think they should be, but I've seen teachers, firemen, police, etc... from other states siding with them.  Not to mention, I'm sure that many within their state might have thought that they "deserve" what they have, without looking into the situation.  Teachers staying away and causing headaches for parents will alienate them.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #166 on: February 21, 2011, 09:12:05 AM »
Agreed.  This is going to back fire.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #167 on: February 21, 2011, 09:14:48 AM »
You know they've got to have a lot of these idiots who called in sick on these news feeds.  When this all dies down, I really hope they go after the ones they can.

Probability they actually will even try though = .00000000000000002%

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #168 on: February 21, 2011, 09:21:29 AM »
You know they've got to have a lot of these idiots who called in sick on these news feeds.  When this all dies down, I really hope they go after the ones they can.

Probability they actually will even try though = .00000000000000002%

I bet some of the school officials who have had massive headaches over this won't soon forget which ones did this.....you can count on that.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #169 on: February 21, 2011, 08:30:23 PM »
Wisconsin senators living day-to-day south of border (Lt Gov unsure on who is paying for vacation)
Chicago Breaking News ^ | 2/21/11 | Dawn Rhodes, Hailey Branson-Potts, Erin Meyer

Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011

Wisconsin senators living day-to-day south of border



Escape to Illinois to avoid vote on budget leaves lawmakers short on essentials
By Dawn Rhodes, Hailey Branson-Potts and Erin Meyer, Tribune reporters
8:05 p.m. CST, February 21, 2011


**SNIP**


Neither the Illinois nor the Wisconsin constitutions allow for the arrest of a member of the state legislature during the session unless the lawmaker is being charged with a felony, treason or a breach of the peace.


"Gov. Walker has said in the last few days that he has no intention to order police to arrest lawmakers," said his press secretary, Cullen Werwie.


Mordecai Lee, a professor of government affairs at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee and former Democratic state senator, said that on several occasions during his Senate career, the sergeant-at-arms came to his office to tell him it was time to vote, escorting him to the floor.


In a "Call of the House," the sergeant-at-arms locks the doors to the Senate chambers with the lawmakers inside while searching the Capitol to make a quorum, Lee said.


Lee said Wisconsin police have no power to take the lawmakers into custody as long as they remain out of the state.


Even so, the senators remain mum on their exact locations in Illinois.


"There's no point in issuing a press release about where I am," said Sen. Fred Risser, D-Madison. "I'm not necessarily in one place."


Sen. Jim Holperin, D-Eagle River, said they don't want protesters showing up at their doors.


"We are at work and we do need to have the ability to do that without distraction," he said.


While in their self-imposed exile, the lawmakers are trying to stay connected to home.


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #170 on: February 22, 2011, 01:09:40 PM »
Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey

(CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest.

In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009—the latest year available—only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a “proficient” rating while another 2 percent earned an “advanced” rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below “proficient,” including 44 percent who earned a rating of “basic” and 22 percent who earned a rating of “below basic.”

The test also showed that the reading abilities of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders had not improved at all between 1998 and 2009 despite a significant inflation-adjusted increase in the amount of money Wisconsin public schools spent per pupil each year.

In 1998, according to the U.S. Department of Education, Wisconsin public school eighth graders scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test. In 2009, Wisconsin public school eighth graders once again scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test.  Meanwhile, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil expenditures from $4,956 per pupil in 1998 to 10,791 per pupil in 2008. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator the $4,956 Wisconsin spent per pupil in 1998 dollars equaled $6,546 in 2008 dollars. That means that from 1998 to 2008, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil spending by $4,245 in real terms yet did not add a single point to the reading scores of their eighth graders and still could lift only one-third of their eighth graders to at least a “proficient” level in reading.

The $10,791 that Wisconsin spent per pupil in its public elementary and secondary schools in fiscal year 2008 was more than any other state in the Midwest.

Neighboring Illinois spent $10,353 per student in 2008, Minnesota spent $10,048 per student; Iowa spent $9,520 per student.  Among Midwest states, Nebraska was second to Wisconsin in per pupil spending in its public schools, spending $10,565 per student.

Of these nearby states, only Minnesota did slightly better teaching reading to its public school students. In 2009, 39 percent of eighth graders in Minnesota public schools earned a rating of “proficient” or better in reading, and the average eighth grade reading score in the state was 270 out of 500.

In Illinois, only 32 percent of eighth graders earned a rating of “proficient” or better in reading, and the average eighth grade reading score was 265 out of 500. In Iowa, only 32 percent of eighth graders earned a rating of “proficient” or better in reading, and the average reading score was 265 out of 500. In Nebraska, only 35 percent of eighth graders earned a rating of “proficient” or better in their public schools, and the average reading score was 267 out of 500.

Nationwide, only 30 percent of public school eighth graders earned a rating of “proficient” or better in reading, and the average reading score on the NAEP test was 262 out of 500.

The National Assessment of Educational Progress explains its student rating system as follows: “Basic denotes partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work at each
grade. Proficient represents solid academic performance. Students reaching this level have demonstrated competency over challenging subject matter. Advanced represents superior performance.”

In other words, despite the $10,791 that taxpayers were paying to educate students in Wisconsin public schools, two-thirds of eighth graders in those schools showed at best only a “partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work” at that grade level.

In fiscal 2008, the federal government provided $669.6 million in subsidies to the public schools in Wisconsin.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #171 on: February 22, 2011, 01:21:35 PM »
Based on these statistics, public education in Wisconsin should be abolished. The kids will probably be better off since most are illiterate anyway.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #172 on: February 22, 2011, 02:01:43 PM »
Unions overplayed their hand.

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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2011, 02:58:38 PM »
Paychecks to be withheld from absent Wisconsin senators
Boston Herald ^ | 2-22-11



MADISON, Wis. — State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They’ll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session.


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Re: Liberal Hatefest in Wisconsin to protest budget cuts. Video
« Reply #174 on: February 22, 2011, 04:25:46 PM »
Paychecks to be withheld from absent Wisconsin senators
Boston Herald ^ | 2-22-11



MADISON, Wis. — State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They’ll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session.


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Good.  I think they only need one right?  Hopefully at least one will need his pay.