Most Prohormones May be Gone in SIX Months!

[pellius]

Why are you morons for more government control Christ. If you are so against supplements don't use them. Every year the government gains a new foot hold in some part of our life. You really want them telling you what you can and can't take? It's called personal responsibility. I swear some of you want to live in a nanny state.

QFT!

Some supplements do make a difference. My niece was anemic but an iron supplement cured that. Many have been diagnose as being deficient in vitamin D. Again a supplement cures that.

[BB]

Walmart will pimpslap the FDA/pay off key people to ensure they are allowed to sell whatever they want.  

This. While I don't like it, this new law, etc.. will do nothing to the larger brands and common supplements. It will probably kill off all of the speciality/grey market stuff. The big guys will simply grease a few palms... and that will be the end of it.

[pellius]

You can't make a statement like, "vitamins in food are absorbed better", across the board. Yes, often true, but not always. Example: vitamin b-12. Preferably synthetic form given via injection if levels are low. Some people also lack certain enzymes that absorb b-12 from the gut and synthetic oral forms like a co-enzyme of b-12 called methylcobalamin may be warranted if deficient.

Infants are sometimes given synthetic vitamins. Doctors prescribe various synthetic vitamins in deficiency states. My mother eats a prescribed calcium/D-3 combo and labs show they "work" (obviously food wasn't enough). People on diuretics may get potassium etc etc.

It's not black and white. Food is of utmost importance and supplements may not supply micronutrients found in foods we do not yet know about, but supplemental vitamins may work just as well as food derived and sometimes better, as I illustrated above.

I don't think Alexander D is a doc. Yes a doc may say you don't need anything other than a balanced diet, but docs also prescribe vitamins, even to patients eating well.

I swear, your posts are always so rational, commonsensical, and even wise. You are one of the biggest assets on this board.

My uncle started having bouts of heart palpitations many times having to be take to the hospital. He started taking cq10 OTC and it went away.

Again, I respect those who are of the opinion that supplements are worthless and people who buy them are stupid but should we now make stupidity against the law?

Let us make our own decisions. We own our body. Nobody else. And what we do to it is nobody's business.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Its called not being retard. When I was a kid I bought dat der cell tech and thought I was gonna gain 20 pounds of raw muscle. Well guess what It didn't happen lesson learned. Now I research anything before I buy it. Go on line read some reviews read some studies and then you can make an educated decision to buy something. Why give the government another inch on our freedom?

A society should be judged on how it treats the weak(naive). Rat finks like Palumbo shouldn't be able to get rich off the unknowing.

[ManBearPig...]

just another proof that Obama doesn't know shit.

[tbombz]

A society should be judged on how it treats the weak(naive). Rat finks like Palumbo shouldn't be able to get rich of the unknowing.

exactly. this is about protecting rights, not encroaching on them. we all have the right to live in a world where the labels on products match the contents, where advertisements are not misleading, where we can access accurate informatioon on items before we buy them. 

[Spike]

Dreamy!!

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if your really ghey

then give me a brief run down of the pic I sent you

[pellius]

this is true - absorbtion rate of cynocobalamin is capped in the stomach

i take 1mL a week

That just reminded me. I have some issue where I can't digest/process vitamin B12. I forget the detail because it was so long ago that I was diagnose with this. It's genetic because my mother and a couple of siblings have the same problem and I use to have to get monthly B12 shots. When they came out with a sublingual version, and it can ONLY be the methycobalamin version not the cyanocobalamin, which I get OTC I never had to get a shot again and my blood test are still normal. I have gone through periods where I neglected to take the supp feeling that I just "grew out" of that condition but blood test proved me wrong. And I felt the typical lethargic effects of a B12 deficiency.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

exactly. this is about protecting rights, not encroaching on them. we all have the right to live in a world where the labels on products match the contents, where advertisements are not misleading, where we can access accurate informatioon on items before we buy them. 

This^ We have China who many people believe just may be trying to kill off some people through poisoning products. Are any of "these" supplements coming from China? Do the large manufacturing places get raw materials from China? People need to know this.

[pellius]

Dreamy!!



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I swear, you crack me up!

[maxkane69]

exactly. this is about protecting rights, not encroaching on them. we all have the right to live in a world where the labels on products match the contents, where advertisements are not misleading, where we can access accurate informatioon on items before we buy them. 

QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH!

[pellius]

Surgeonboy is getting owned.

Brutally. Again!

[pellius]

what part of OFF HAND, do you not understand you psycho drugged-up ADHD hypomanic c u n t? Ok yes, I've heard of Geritol. Fantastic.

Get off my cock already.

You're such an annoying shit talker but when it comes back to you you always ended up crying like a bitch.

BTW, I notice on that last thread where I was royally tooling you that you deleted some of your posts (knowing it can come back and bite your big Black ass). Good decision. Just watch your mouth, boy.

[pellius]

coolness. FDA should have had this power a long time ago. Its crazy to leave a market completely unregulated. You got stores selling 50 dollar 5 lb tubs of maltodextrin and saturated fat labeled as whey concentrate. id like to see what happens to the "body fortress" and "six start muscle" brands sold at wal mart and elsewhere once the FDA starts checking to make sure they meet label claims.

Another retard post from the perverted board retard. The supplement industry is NOT unregulated. If you read the news every now and then you would notice how often they are sued.

Quit taking about things you have no clue about and stick to what you know -- like sticking needles and cocks into your ass.

Just read this the other day.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110202/ARTICLES/110209885?Title=Supplement-maker-settles-for-2-65-million-with-Sonoma-other-counties

[pellius]

A society should be judged on how it treats the weak(naive). Rat finks like Palumbo shouldn't be able to get rich off the unknowing.

But he didn't get rich and he went to jail.

[Disgusted]

I swear, your posts are always so rational, commonsensical, and even wise. You are one of the biggest assets on this board.

My uncle started having bouts of heart palpitations many times having to be take to the hospital. He started taking cq10 OTC and it went away.

Again, I respect those who are of the opinion that supplements are worthless and people who buy them are stupid but should we now make stupidity against the law.

Let us make our own decisions. We own our body. Nobody else. And what we do to it is nobody's business.

Switch your Uncle to Ubiquinol. It is a reduced version of CoQ-10, not only does it work much better, but older people have a harder time breaking down CoQ-10 into Ubiquinol. I put my Mom on UB over a year ago and her ejection fraction went from 45 to 60%. There is a study that was done in Texas with later stage heart failure patients that used between 600 to 900 mg of UB and all of them had favorable responses and all of them with increased EF. There is not any drug out there that can increase one's EF, but UB can and does.

Also, did you know that statin drugs block the enzyme HMG-Co-reductase which is responsible for your liver making cholesterol? Well that enzyme is also responsible for making other things like Uqbiquinone and when your body lacks this it can send you into heart failure. Funny how a drug that is supposed to protect your heart can actually destroy it. Oh and the drug companies who invented these awesome statin drugs knew this and didn't bother to warn anyone that they should be taking CoQ-10 (at the time Ubiquinol had not been on the market).

[tbombz]

The supplement industry is NOT unregulated.

  ^^^ this fuckin guy

[pellius]

exactly. this is about protecting rights, not encroaching on them. we all have the right to live in a world where the labels on products match the contents, where advertisements are not misleading, where we can access accurate informatioon on items before we buy them. 

We do have laws requiring products match contents whether it be vitamins of corn flakes. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shopped and I couldn't believe how regulated the industry was. The slightest doubt and we had to pull stuff off the shelves. We were always getting notices about certain products being bogus or not living up to claims. I remember one product actually contained viagra and didn't some of Gaspari's products actually contain steroids? But it's a cat and mouse game. If you stick with the solid companies that's been around for a while and been through all this and it's just not worth it for them to tarnish their rep then the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor.

And who is to decide misleading? Doesn't Muscle Tech offer a product that will put on "Up to 6 lbs of muscle in 2 weeks"? That means it can put on "up to" 6 lbs which can be anywhere from zero to six. Now if you put on MORE than 6 bls of muscle you might have a case.

You can't pass a law against stupidity. You'd be behind bars by now.

[tbombz]

We do have laws requiring products match contents whether it be vitamins of corn flakes. I use to work part time for Vitamin Shopped and I couldn't believe how regulated the industry was. The slightest doubt and we had to pull stuff off the shelves. We were always getting notices about certain products being bogus or not living up to claims. I remember one product actually contained viagra and didn't some of Gaspari's products actually contain steroids? But it's a cat and mouse game. If you stick with the solid companies that's been around for a while and been through all this and it's just not worth it for them to tarnish their rep then the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor.

And who is to decide misleading? Doesn't Muscle Tech offer a product that will put on "Up to 6 lbs of muscle in 2 weeks"? That means it can put on "up to" 6 lbs which can be anywhere from zero to six. Now if you put on MORE than 6 bls of muscle you might have a case.

You can't pass a law against stupidity. You'd be behind bars by now.

this bill allows the government to make sure products never have to get taken off ther shelves in the first place. they wont make it off the production line. that way consumers never have to waste their money on a bad product or fuck their health with a contaminated or dangerous one.

[pellius]

Switch your Uncle to Ubiquinol. It is a reduced version of CoQ-10, not only does it work much better, but older people have a harder time breaking down CoQ-10 into Ubiquinol. I put my Mom on UB over a year ago and her ejection fraction went from 45 to 60%. There is a study that was done in Texas with later stage heart failure patients that used between 600 to 900 mg of UB and all of them had favorable responses and all of them with increased EF. There is not any drug out there that can increase one's EF, but UB can and does.

Also, did you know that statin drugs block the enzyme HMG-Co-reductase which is responsible for your liver making cholesterol? Well that enzyme is also responsible for making other things like Uqbiquinone and when your body lacks this it can send you into heart failure. Funny how a drug that is supposed to protect your heart can actually destroy it. Oh and the drug companies who invented these awesome statin drugs knew this and didn't bother to warn anyone that they should be taking CoQ-10 (at the time Ubiquinol had not been on the market).

I don't know exactly what kind of CoQ-10 he takes but whatever it is it's working. Literally night and day. Has had those heart problems in over a year when he use to get it every few weeks. And yes, I did know about those statin drugs. It was one of the selling points we'd use to sell CoQ-10.

[pellius]

this bill allows the government to make sure products never have to get taken off ther shelves in the first place. they wont make it off the production line. that way consumers never have to waste their money on a bad product or fuck their health with a contaminated or dangerous one.

If that was the bill then I'd be all for it but that's not what it's about. There's always going to be a trade off better freedom and security/safety. This country was founded on the principle of liberty. The problems with liberals like you is that you want, and "feel" you can have, a totally risk free life and will surrender your liberties to the government thinking they have your best interest in mind and know better than you do what's good for you.

How do you know that jar of spaghetti sauce or bag of chips has what it says it has? Just like anything in the free market you have to build a reputation of trust and quality. Sure, crap works it's way into the market. You buy a shitty bike or that bag of Mexican beef jerky makes you sick. Even some pharmaceutical drugs that have gone through all the rigorous hoops to make it to the market gets pulled. Nothing is 100% safe and trying to make it so creates far more problems than it solves. 

I worked in the nutritional industry and stuff gets pulled and companies get sue all the time. Google Joe Weider and read how many times that guy has gotten sues.

To think that you can just piss in a bottle and sell it as amino acids is just not true.

[pellius]

Another point, when I worked for Vitamin Shoppe we worked with Kaiser who sent their patients who had by pass surgery done to deal with their obesity. Since their ability to consume and absorb nutrients was severely compromise they needed supplements. One of the things they found was that these patients could not consume enough protein by eating alone. This was confirmed by the constant testing they do on these subjects. Protein drinks like Isopure go down real easy not like some of thicker ones like Muscle Milk. This solves the problem which is confirmed by testing.

There's a lot of junk in this whole sordid supplement business but there is also a lot of good stuff that enhances the people's quality of life and even save their life. I've experience it personally, seen it with my relatives, and medical patients whose lives depend on it.

This law will throw out the baby with the bath water.

[Master Blaster]

You may very well be right but since this is suppose to be a free country why not let ME decide instead of some bureaucrats in Washington that presume to know what's good for us.

THIS^

[pellius]

This^ We have China who many people believe just may be trying to kill off some people through poisoning products. Are any of "these" supplements coming from China? Do the large manufacturing places get raw materials from China? People need to know this.

Remember what happened to those behind putting in ingredients that killed some of our pet dogs? Some went to jail some were executed. That's right, executed. The Chinese government does not want to kill us. Who would buy their products?

[Master Blaster]

Another point, when I worked for Vitamin Shoppe we worked with Kaiser who sent their patients who had by pass surgery done to deal with their obesity. Since their ability to consume and absorb nutrients was severely compromise they needed supplements. One of the things they found was that these patients could not consume enough protein by eating alone. This was confirmed by the constant testing they do on these subjects. Protein drinks like Isopure go down real easy not like some of thicker ones like Muscle Milk. This solves the problem which is confirmed by testing.

There's a lot of junk in this whole sordid supplement business but there is also a lot of good stuff that enhances the people's quality of life and even save their life. I've experience it personally, seen it with my relatives, and medical patients whose lives depend on it.

This law will throw out the baby with the bath water.

pellius, in another 9 months you won't be able to buy an incandecsant light bulb. you'll have to buy one filled with toxic murcury 

They take and take and take. We are no longer people to the ellites, we are an animal population that they control more and more