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Yes you fucking moron.   Damn - will you please fucking read an economics book for once in your damn life instead of regurgitating every leftist lie about almost every issue.   Damn - don't you get tired of being so wrong so often?
Alright,,.now you have gone and done it.. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT BITCH FEAR MONGER,. i know what the fuck simple supply and demand is. But if your bitch ass would take 2 seconds out of your punk bitch whining session you would know that oil prices now have nothing to do with supply .We have shit tons of oil, we have access to shit tons of oil and we have a lot of reserves. oil prices are a result of speculation and fear. not actual prices you fuckin turd piece of dog shit.

And how much oil do you think we get from Lybia.. you dumb asshole.. the oil from Lybia is sold mainly to Europe.. our prices are raised because WE DONT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PRODUCE THE OIL  at the rate that we get it.  its not the supply of the oil that the question.
You fucktard our oil factories and refineries are at 100% capacity. There hasnt been a Refinery build domestically in over 30 years.

So quit your whining about shit you have no idea about. I gave your bitch ass a pass on other shit because it was getting too easy but you had to go and talk shit and again i blew your bull shit out of the water. My father worked for Unocal 76 for much of my child hood. In order to keep his regional exec position we would have had to move the family to phx when it got sold to circle k. So my dad (before the stroke) worked as an expert consultant to all of the oil companies. shell, texaco, valero.. etc.. so he knows his oil and we have talked many times about the economics of oil... and its not a supply thing here....the oil is not harder to get to.. you just want to think whatever you want to think
 and put facts to the side.. now speak on this..

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Alright,,.now you have gone and done it.. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT BITCH FEAR MONGER,. i know what the fuck simple supply and demand is. But if your bitch ass would take 2 seconds out of your punk bitch whining session you would know that oil prices now have nothing to do with supply .We have shit tons of oil, we have access to shit tons of oil and we have a lot of reserves. oil prices are a result of speculation and fear. not actual prices you fuckin turd piece of dog shit.

And how much oil do you think we get from Lybia.. you dumb asshole.. the oil from Lybia is sold mainly to Europe.. our prices are raised because WE DONT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PRODUCE THE OIL  at the rate that we get it.  its not the supply of the oil that the question.
You fucktard our oil factories and refineries are at 100% capacity. There hasnt been a Refinery build domestically in over 30 years.

So quit your whining about shit you have no idea about. I gave your bitch ass a pass on other shit because it was getting too easy but you had to go and talk shit and again i blew your bull shit out of the water. My father worked for Unocal 76 for much of my child hood. In order to keep his regional exec position we would have had to move the family to phx when it got sold to circle k. So my dad (before the stroke) worked as an expert consultant to all of the oil companies. shell, texaco, valero.. etc.. so he knows his oil and we have talked many times about the economics of oil... and its not a supply thing here....the oil is not harder to get to.. you just want to think whatever you want to think
 and put facts to the side.. now speak on this..


Why have no new oil refineries been built in 30 years?     hhhhhmmmmm? ? ? ?   

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Why have no new oil refineries been built in 30 years?     hhhhhmmmmm? ? ? ?   

na bitch.. speak on the supply and demand econ as it relates to oil prices in America  obama and why he is responsible for the prices.. speak on that...

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na bitch.. speak on the supply and demand econ as it relates to oil prices in America  obama and why he is responsible for the prices.. speak on that...

Supply and Demand is a component of the overall price and the spectre of less supply in the future as a result of foreign political instability is what enables speculators to skyrocket the price, especially whe you have a communist muslim traitor in the WH has made it his lifes' mission to cripple the USA with WTF policies when it comes to energy.   

As for Obama - his WTF policies has greatly added to the pricing pressure upwards with QE2, drilling bans, EPA running wild, refusing to agree to the canadian pipeline, etc.   

So Option Douche - the chickens of multiple horrible policies by your messiah are coming home to roost.   I hope he keeps it up too when gas is $5 a gallon saying "OIL IS THE ENERGY OF THE PAST" while the economy is in tatters.   He will be lucky to win 10 states if that occurs.         

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The U.S.A doesn't exist in a vacuum. Even if we cut out Mid-East oil from our supply we would still be subject to laws of global supply and demand. Brent and WTI are traded world wide, if the Mid-East further destabilizes than it is reasonable to think that Canada/Mexico/Venezuela/U.S. would start to export more as demand steadies and supply drops, thus prices increase. The world is on a very sharp razors edge concerning spare capacity so any oil producing nation that sneezes is going to upset the balance.

That is, in my opinion, part of the reason

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Alright,,.now you have gone and done it.. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT BITCH FEAR MONGER,. i know what the fuck simple supply and demand is. But if your bitch ass would take 2 seconds out of your punk bitch whining session you would know that oil prices now have nothing to do with supply .We have shit tons of oil, we have access to shit tons of oil and we have a lot of reserves. oil prices are a result of speculation and fear. not actual prices you fuckin turd piece of dog shit.

And how much oil do you think we get from Lybia.. you dumb asshole.. the oil from Lybia is sold mainly to Europe.. our prices are raised because WE DONT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PRODUCE THE OIL  at the rate that we get it.  its not the supply of the oil that the question.
You fucktard our oil factories and refineries are at 100% capacity. There hasnt been a Refinery build domestically in over 30 years.

So quit your whining about shit you have no idea about. I gave your bitch ass a pass on other shit because it was getting too easy but you had to go and talk shit and again i blew your bull shit out of the water. My father worked for Unocal 76 for much of my child hood. In order to keep his regional exec position we would have had to move the family to phx when it got sold to circle k. So my dad (before the stroke) worked as an expert consultant to all of the oil companies. shell, texaco, valero.. etc.. so he knows his oil and we have talked many times about the economics of oil... and its not a supply thing here....the oil is not harder to get to.. you just want to think whatever you want to think
 and put facts to the side.. now speak on this..

Has nothing to do with where we get our oil from as the markets are global. And it does have a lot to do with supply and demand...the perception that Libya's problems are going to cause a supply shortage on the global market.

Take into account the strict production quotas that OPEC runs with to ensure that oil prices remain high and one country going offline fucks everything over (even with Saudi Arabia saying that they're willing to meet Libya's quota).

Investors, like all humans, are completely irrational and panic at the first sign of trouble.

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Has nothing to do with where we get our oil from as the markets are global. And it does have a lot to do with supply and demand...the perception that Libya's problems are going to cause a supply shortage on the global market.

Take into account the strict production quotas that OPEC runs with to ensure that oil prices remain high and one country going offline fucks everything over (even with Saudi Arabia saying that they're willing to meet Libya's quota).

Investors, like all humans, are completely irrational and panic at the first sign of trouble.

Im talking about this guy blaming oil prices on obama. And how our offshore drilling has very little to do with our prices.. if there were more refineries we could process/refine more.. the supply is there.. it has always been there. Prices have to deal with Speculation not the actual supply

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Im talking about this guy blaming oil prices on obama. And how our offshore drilling has very little to do with our prices.. if there were more refineries we could process/refine more.. the supply is there.. it has always been there. Prices have to deal with Speculation not the actual supply

AND WHAT IS SPECULATION BASED ON! 


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Option Dickwad - watch this and get a clue. 



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Option Dickwad - watch this and get a clue. 




so again.. you really think there is a shortage or less of a supply of oil which is dictated by obama and thats why we have high gas prices.. simply amazing.. and i dont have to go find youtube clips.. i can find a clip that says big foot is real. now you get a clue

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Obama Unfazed By Impact Of Rising Oil Prices
NewsTime / Reuters ^ | February 27, 2011 | Jeff Mason and Amena Bakr



United States president Barack Obama has said that he feels the global economy can bear the current spike in oil and energy prices report Jeff Mason and Amena Bakr for Reuters.

Obama’s comments came as key US ally Saudi Arabia vowed to increase output to cover any shortfall from Libya. Unrest in Libya has seen a decline in that country’s oil output, as foreign companies seek to evacuate staff from operations. Brent crude prices reached highs unseen in 30 months as they edged near $120/barrel.

Speaking to a group of executives, Obama said :” We actually think that we’ll be able to ride out the Libya situation and it will stabilise”....


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F'ing moron. 

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Obama Unfazed By Impact Of Rising Oil Prices
NewsTime / Reuters ^ | February 27, 2011 | Jeff Mason and Amena Bakr



United States president Barack Obama has said that he feels the global economy can bear the current spike in oil and energy prices report Jeff Mason and Amena Bakr for Reuters.

Obama’s comments came as key US ally Saudi Arabia vowed to increase output to cover any shortfall from Libya. Unrest in Libya has seen a decline in that country’s oil output, as foreign companies seek to evacuate staff from operations. Brent crude prices reached highs unseen in 30 months as they edged near $120/barrel.

Speaking to a group of executives, Obama said :” We actually think that we’ll be able to ride out the Libya situation and it will stabilise”....

(Excerpt) Read more at newstime.co.za ...


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F'ing moron. 
Wheres the beef..lybia isnt gonna stabilize?

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I just go by what Obama says.   The best predictor of the future is always to take the opposite of what he says.  so if he says something will help the economy - 99% chance it fucks it up.   Etc Etc.   

No different here - and no - the economy can not absorb $4 a gallon gas.   Only a complete f'ing moron and incompetent idiot like Obama believes that nonsense.       

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I just go by what Obama says.   The best predictor of the future is always to take the opposite of what he says.  so if he says something will help the economy - 99% chance it fucks it up.   Etc Etc.   

No different here - and no - the economy can not absorb $4 a gallon gas.   Only a complete f'ing moron and incompetent idiot like Obama believes that nonsense.       

in other words.. you got nothin

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in other words.. you got nothin


In case you didnt watch the news this morning, Gadaffi's forces are killing people in the streets and that country in on the verge of all out civil war.   

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In case you didnt watch the news this morning, Gadaffi's forces are killing people in the streets and that country in on the verge of all out civil war.   

lol.. annnnd..  our oil supply will suffer right? thats why gas prices are high?.

i swear i tried to type this without laughing.

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The gas just keeps getting more expensive and we always have an excuse to raise it.
Just Do It

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lol.. annnnd..  our oil supply will suffer right? thats why gas prices are high?.

i swear i tried to type this without laughing.

Bro - I'm not kidding - you have eclipsed Blacken and Benny, and that was not an easy task.   

 

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What makes up the price of a gallon of gas?
Posted 5/24/2008 12:00 AM   

 http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-05-24-gas-breakdown_N.htm

By Justin Sullivan, Getty Images
 
Cezar Bonifacio changes the numbers on a gas price display at a Chevron station in San Francisco, California.
 
Consider the game of chicken that plays out every day across Pennsylvania State Highway 441. In Marietta, where the road hugs the Susquehanna River, a Rutter's Farm Store gas station stands on one side, a Sheetz gas station on the other.

Kelly Bosley, who manages Rutter's, doesn't even have to look across the highway to know when Sheetz changes its price for a gallon of gas. When Sheetz raises prices, her own pumps are busy. When Sheetz lowers prices, she has not a car in sight.

She calls Rutter's headquarters to report the competition's new price and wait for instructions.

"I call a lot of times and say, 'They went down, hurry up! Hurry up! Call me! Call me!' Or it could be where theirs goes up, and I'll say, 'Take your time! You know, I like being busy.' But I have no control over that."

You think you feel helpless at the pump?

Bosley makes a living selling gas — and even she has little control over what it costs.


TRAVEL: Gas costs cut into vacation plans

So how exactly are gas prices set? What determines the hair-pulling figure you see displayed in large electronic or plastic numbers? Why is a gallon of gas, say, $4.11 — not $4.10 or $4.12? Why is the price different across the street?

It all starts with oil.

The biggest factor in the skyrocketing price of gasoline is the historic ascent of crude oil, which has surged from $45 per barrel in 2004 to more than $135 this past week, setting new record highs all the while.

In the first quarter of this year, based on a retail price of gas that now seems like a steal — $3.11 a gallon — crude oil accounted for all but about a dollar, or 70%, of the cost, according to the federal government.

The rest is a complex mix of factors, from the cost of turning oil into gas to taxes to marketing costs to, sometimes, nothing more than the competitive whims of your local gas station owner.

Not that understanding the breakdown makes it any less cringe-inducing to fill 'er up.

How it all works

First a primer on how gas gets to your tank:

Once oil is pumped from the ground, it can be sold on the spot market, a last-minute trading arena where oil companies and distributors buy and sell to each other, or straight to refiners. After it's brewed into gasoline, the product can again be sold on the spot market, or directly to wholesalers, who in turn can supply their own stations or sell it to other retailers.

Each step of the way, buyers and sellers negotiate a price until, finally, drivers pay the ultimate tab at the pump.

At the starting point of all this is the price of oil — which, like the oil itself, is nothing if not crude.

The knee-jerk villains are the oil companies, fat with multibillion-dollar profits, frequent targets of populist anger. But wait: The oil companies don't set the price of oil or the cost of a gallon of gas.

Prices are a function of the open market, the result of futures contracts being traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange, or Nymex, and other exchanges around the world.

Buying the current July crude oil futures contract means you're buying oil that will be delivered by the end of July. But most investors who trade futures have no intention of ever accepting the underlying oil: Like stock investors who frequently buy and sell their holdings, they're simply betting that prices will rise or fall.

Of late, on the Nymex, oil futures have been rising.

Why? Blame the falling dollar. Oil is priced in U.S. dollars, and the weaker the dollar gets, the more attractive dollar-denominated oil contracts are to foreign investors — or any investor looking for a safe haven in the turbulent stock market.

The rush of buyers keeps pushing oil futures to a series of new records, and the rest of the energy complex, including gasoline futures, has followed. That pushes up the price of gas that goes into your tank.

"Crude is the driver," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of energy consultancy Ritterbusch and Associates in Galena, Ill. "As long as it stays up there, gasoline's not going to be able to decline much at all, even if demand slips. That's just the way it is."

There is some evidence Americans are buying less gas as the price marches higher, and common sense suggests they would cut back even more if gas rose to $4.50 or $5 a gallon.

Lower demand should mean lower prices — but it takes time for that to happen, given the enormous scale of refining operations that produce gasoline.

"Once demand begins to slow, that needs to translate into inventories, then you get some price weakening," Ritterbusch said. "But it takes a while."

Oil and gasoline prices often move in the same direction, but they aren't linked directly. In fact, while oil prices have more than doubled in the past year, gasoline is only up about 19% during the same time.

Oil prices often fluctuate with production decisions from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which supplies about 40% of the world's crude, or when conflict in the Middle East or Nigeria threatens supplies.

For example, oil prices rose $2.46 in one day last month amid reports a ship under contract to the Defense Department fired warning shots at two boats in the Persian Gulf that may have been Iranian.

A Navy spokesman later said the origin of the boats was unclear, but the news raised concerns that a conflict between U.S. and Iranian forces could cut oil supplies from the region. That same day, gas prices rose another 2.1 cents to a then-record national average of $3.577 a gallon on other supply concerns.

And the rise has only grown more dramatic. Oil sprinted higher this past week, rising more than $4 a barrel on Wednesday alone and past $135 on Thursday.

As for gasoline prices: They're closely tied to demand from U.S. drivers and how efficiently refineries are operating. Falling production or inventories often send prices skyrocketing.

Those prices can vary greatly depending on the region.

The Gulf Coast is the source of about half the gasoline produced in the United States, and areas farthest from there tend to have higher prices because of the cost of shipping gas via pipeline and tanker truck all over the country.

Some of those places, like California and New York, also have higher local taxes that push the price higher.

Oil companies may not set the price of oil and gasoline, but not everyone is willing to sit back and let them claim to be innocent bystanders.

In particular, for the second time this year, Big Oil's biggest executives were on Capitol Hill in recent days getting pummeled by many in Congress for their record profits while Americans struggle with record fuel prices.

"Where is the corporate conscience?" Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., asked the top executives of the five largest U.S. oil companies.

Answers sought

Soaring gas prices have led to cries for a variety of answers, from Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain's suggestion to suspend the federal gas tax this summer to President Bush's call to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska and some offshore waters that are now off limits to oil development.

Others have suggested a windfall profits tax on oil companies, although some economists say that might actually hurt supply. Oil companies say they're not to blame for spiking fuel prices, and their earnings, measured against revenue, are in line with other industries.

On top of that, rising oil prices have sharply cut profit margins for refining, and that hits the major oil companies — which both pump oil and refine it for use as gasoline.

A giant like ExxonMobil can handle the blow. Its refining and marketing profits for the first quarter were down 39% from a year ago, but Exxon still banked a nearly $11 billion profit because of the hefty prices earned on crude it pumped out of the ground.

Smaller refiners aren't so fortunate. Sunoco Inc.'s refining and supply business lost $123 million in the first quarter, hurt by lower margins. Tesoro Corp. lost $82 million for the same period.

In any case, huge profits at big oil companies like ExxonMobil and Chevron aren't because of high prices at the pump. Their massive profits are tied to their exploration and production arms, which are benefiting from record crude prices.

Higher crude costs also have squeezed profits at the refining arms of companies like ConocoPhillips, which don't produce enough crude themselves to refine at full capacity without buying more oil from other producers.

CEO Jim Mulva said ConocoPhillips, the second-largest U.S. refiner behind Valero Energy Corp., buys about 2 million barrels of crude a day at market prices to refine into gasoline and other products.

"If oil costs us $30 a barrel or $40 a barrel or $120 a barrel, that's why the cost of gasoline is what it is," he said. "It's not because of taxes. It's not because of ... refining and distribution. It's because of the cost of oil."

Other factors

But it's not only about the price of oil. Other costs are a factor — though they've remained relatively stable.

For example, federal and state taxes added 40 cents to a gallon of gas in the first three months of this year, roughly the same amount as they added four years ago.

California's 63.9 cents of tax is the nation's highest, Alaska's 26.4 cents the lowest. How the money is used varies from state to state, though the federal take helps to build and maintain highways and bridges.

Marketing and distribution costs — the tab for delivering gasoline from refiner to retailer — were 27 cents to start the year, only 6 cents above the cost four years ago.

The cost of refining added 27 cents to a gallon in the first quarter of this year, a nickel less than what it added in 2004, according to the Energy Information Administration.

That refining occurs at sprawling industrial complexes across the U.S., with most of the biggest along the Gulf Coast. Barrels of crude arrive each day by pipeline, ship and barge. The refineries, by heating, treating and blending the raw oil, turn out products like diesel and lubricating oil.

And, of course, gasoline.

A 'waiting game'

What happens when that gasoline makes its way to your neighborhood gas station?

Major oil companies own fewer than 5% of gas stations. Most are owned by small retailers — and many of them say they're struggling these days to turn a profit on gas. That's because wholesale gasoline prices have risen sharply in recent months — again, blame it on crude — but station owners have been unable to raise pump prices fast enough to keep pace.

And you can't keep jacking up the price when drivers are buying less.

Gas station owners face a balancing act: They must try to maintain a price that allows them to afford the next shipment of gasoline but not give the competition an edge.

Stations pay tens of thousands of dollars for each gas shipment before they see a cent in the register. Eventually, many make only a few cents on a gallon of gasoline, a margin that can disappear altogether when credit card fees are added in.

Thank goodness for beef jerky and sodas.

Most gasoline retailers long ago got past any illusion they can make money by selling gas. They rely on gas sales to drive traffic to their shops, where they hope auto repairs or food and drink sales will help them turn a profit.

"You're always out there competing with the guy next door — literally with the guy across the street — and worried too about how you're going to pay for your next supply," said Rayola Dougher, a senior economic adviser at the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's trade association.

In the Philadelphia suburb of Havertown, Pa., earlier in the week, Sunoco station operator Steve Kehler received a load of gasoline — 9,000 gallons — which, at a wholesale price of $3.729 a gallon, cost him 4 cents more than the previous load.

That left him in a sticky situation: Should he raise prices right away to recoup some of his higher gasoline expenses, or should he hold off for a couple of days in hopes his competitors will also have to raise their prices?

"I'm surrounded by $3.89's, and I'm already at $3.91," said Kehler, referring to his prices and those of some nearby competitors. "I'm going to play a little waiting game right now."

The $33,600 Kehler must pay for his overnight gasoline delivery won't be debited from his bank account for a few days. That gives him a little breathing room, time to hold prices steady. Hiking prices too quickly will hurt sales.

"I'll probably change it tomorrow night, at closing," Kehler said. "I'll go up 4 cents."

That will put Kehler at a gross margin of about 20 cents a gallon. After paying credit card fees, labor and rent, Kehler will be lucky to break even on his gasoline sales.

But many times, he loses money selling gas. Kehler, like most other service station operators, relies entirely upon his car repair business for income.

Of course, the plight of retailers is little consolation for drivers.

Mayra Perez said she works two fast-food jobs to help support her family, and gasoline is becoming harder to afford. She said perhaps the government should step in to help ease the burden, possibly by placing price limits on gasoline.

She was filling the tank of her compact car in Miami this past week to the tune of $3.89 per gallon for regular gas.

"This is horrible," she said. "On the weekend, my husband and I use only one car to save on gas.

"But then there's the cost of food, milk, eggs, the rent."

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I swear you get an argument and latch on to it dont you.. you just cant concede that oil hikes have little to do with real S&D.. and is primiarily greed driven full of fake hikes.. like i said.. if you cant respect that your whole perspective is wack.


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The economy might handle it but can the people? Not that Americans matter to the GodKing at the White House.

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The economy might handle it but can the people? Not that Americans matter to the GodKing at the White House.

Im not sure what the debate is about. But blaming the oil hikes on the offshore drilling ban is partisan bullshit. It just is. Price of oil will and always will be at the hands of OPEC. There is no Shortage of oil. There arent any refineries that dont have enough oil to refine. They are all running at 100% capacity. We didnt get oil from Lybia. Baically OPEC is the end all of the oil market and thats it. They call themselves "competetion limiting CARTEL". Wanna hear something crazy. Oil companies dont even own gas stations any more. They dont even care about tha revenue stream. They sell the rights (name) to some rich arab guy and they sell them the oil. Thats why all the Mergers in the late early late 1900, early 2000s.. they got out of the gas station and went back to the Standard Oil days.. Cornering the market type of deal

Again can someone tell me how gas was at $4.50/gal and less people drove and flew.. but profits were up for oil companies.. how much of that hike was S&D related and how much of it was "because we can" related

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Read the article I posted option douche, it explains that.

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Read the article I posted option douche, it explains that.

you must be high if you think im gonna sit here and read your cut and paste job that was originally written by some right winged hack with an agenda..

Tell me in your own words why OPEC isnt a market controlling cartel and why Oil Prices are soley a reflection of Basic Supply and Demand.. please.. im waiting