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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #150 on: June 20, 2011, 05:23:22 AM »
National security experts blast attorney general’s claim that lawyers...
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Centrist and right-of-center national security experts reacted with contempt to Attorney General Eric Holder’s claim at a legal convention that the courts are the nation’s “most effective terror-fighting weapon.”

“That’s utter nonsense … it is simply lunatic,” said Ralph Peters, military analyst, author and former soldier. In the war against the jihadis, he said, the courts “have been totally ineffective when they’re not outright destructive.”

“He’s unconsciously shilling for his own profession,” said Michael Rubin, a Middle East expert at the American Enterprise Institute. “Holder, like many ambitious bureaucrats, wants to build a bureaucratic empire … [and] by doing so, he will get Americans killed.”

On Sunday, Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell added his voice to the criticism. “The attorney general said the other night our biggest weapon in the war on terror was the U.S. civilian court system,” he said on CBS’ Face The Nation. “ I don’t know what planet he’s living on.”

Holder’s declaration came in a Thursday speech to hundreds of progressive lawyers, advocates, judges and students gathered at the American Constitution Society’s annual gala. “I know that – in distant countries, and within our own borders – there are people intent on, and actively plotting to, kill Americans,” he told his legal peers in the enthusiastic audience. “Victory and security will not come easily, and they won’t come at all if we adhere to a rigid ideology, adopt a narrow methodology, or abandon our most effective terror-fighting weapon – our Article III [civil] court system,” he declared to much applause.


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Agenda Behind Fast & Furious Gunrunner Program
http://noisyroom.net/blog/ ^ | 6.18.11 | AJ


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While clear-thinking Americans can agree that Obama and Holder’s Justice Department made a fatal error in instituting “Operation Fast and Furious,” whereby thousands of weapons were knowingly placed in the hands of straw buyers who illegally crossed our southern border, few are asking why such a dangerous program was created.

There was a definite agenda and we need to go back to 2009, shortly after Obama was sworn in as President, to understand its origin.

At the start of the Obama regime, Obama and Hillary Clinton publicized that 90% of the guns used in crimes committed in Mexico came from the U.S. By April of 2009, FOX News had investigated this assertion and proved it was false. Only 17% – not 90% – of the weapons confiscated in Mexico were U.S. weapons.

Trafficking Guns to Mexico from - FOXNews com


 

Mainstream media did not report that Obama and Clinton’s claims were false and, instead, perpetuated the lie and the Obama administration moved forward with Operation Fast and Furious to make the lie a reality. To date, Obama has not been held to account for the false information he and his administration thrust forward for public consumption in 2009 and by the end of this article, you will see how this fits into a larger agenda with a purposeful outcome.

The Obama administration instituted their “bottom up” program – Fast and Furious. Their plan, aptly named, was designed to quickly and deliberately put as many U.S. weapons as possible into the hands of straw buyers who would bring them across the border into Mexico and into the hands of the drug cartels. This would ensure that when those weapons were retrieved and counted by Mexico’s law enforcement units, the numbers would then show a larger percentage of weapons coming from the U.S.

Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) has held congressional hearings on Fast and Furious and released redacted emails which described the following (emphasis added), as reported by Jordy Yager at The Hill:

“In one of the emails, released by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), with the subject heading “Director’s questions,” the supervisor of the “Fast and Furious” operation wrote to the assistant special agent in charge of Phoenix field operations with an Internet Protocol address for one of the video monitoring units in a gun store which was authorized to sell guns to the suspects.

The emails seem to indicate that ATF acting director Kenneth Melson had asked for this information. “With this information, acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and – himself – watch a live feed of the straw buyers entering the gun stores to purchase dozens of AK-47 variants,” said a Republican committee statement…

In another email dated March 10, 2010, the assistant special agent in charge of the Phoenix field operations wrote to the supervisor of the “Fast and Furious” operation and said, “Not sure if you know, but Mr. Melson and Mr. Hoover are being briefed weekly on this investigation and the recent success with [redacted] so they are both keenly interested in case updates.”

Prior to release of the emails, ATF’s letters to legislators denied that they were selling these weapons to straw buyers and in fact they “made every effort to prevent weapons from ending up in Mexico.”

However, the truth is documented (emphasis added) by Dave Workman at The Examiner, who has been reporting on this story for over four months since David Codrea (National Gun Rights Examiner) and Mike Vanderboegh (independent blogger) first uncovered the program:

“Operation Fast and Furious was an off-shoot of the larger Project Gunrunner, conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. This controversial operation allowed an estimated 2,000-2,500 guns to “walk” into Mexico as ATF field agents were repeatedly ordered to “stand down” by their supervisors.”

“ATF agents have shared chilling accounts of being ordered to stand down as criminals in Arizona walked away with guns headed for Mexican drug cartels. With the clinical precision of a lab experiment, the Justice Department kept records of weapons they let walk and the crime scenes where they next appeared. To agents’ shock, preventing loss of life was not the primary concern.” — Congressman Darrell Issa

“The Issa/Grassley report, The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents, contains some chilling revelations:

Highlights of the report include:

* The supervisor of Operation Fast and Furious was “jovial, if not giddy, but just delighted about” walked guns showing up at crime scenes in Mexico according to an ATF agent. (p. 37)

* Another ATF agent told the committee about a prediction he made a year ago that “someone was going to die” and that the gunwalking operation would be the subject of a Congressional investigation. (p. 24)

* The shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords created a “state of panic” within the group conducting the operation as they initially feared a “walked” gun might have been used. (p. 38)

* One Operation Fast and Furious Agent: “I cannot see anyone who has one iota of concern for human life being okay with this …” (p. 27)

* An ATF agent predicted to committee investigators that more deaths will occur as a result of Operation Fast and Furious. (p.39)

* Multiple agents told the committee that continued assertions by Department of Justice Officials that guns were not knowingly “walked” and that the DOJ tried to stop their transport to Mexico are clearly untruthful. (p. 45-50)”

Quick re-cap – Obama, Clinton and Holder deliberately instituted Operation Fast and Furious for the sole purpose of increasing the number of U.S. weapons that “walked” into Mexico. Remember some of the facts:

* ATF agents were repeatedly told to “stand down” as the guns “walked;”

* The supervisor of this operation was “jovial” and “just delighted” when “walked” guns appeared at crime scenes in Mexico;

* No one had “one iota of concern for human life;” and

* “Acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and – himself – watch a live feed of the straw buyers entering the gun stores to purchase dozens of AK-47 variants.”

Why did Obama, Clinton and Holder do this? It’s obvious to even the most casual observer; they did this to further the propaganda they pushed in early 2009 – that the U.S. has a gun problem because “90%” of the confiscated weapons in Mexico are coming from the U.S. – in order to justify more aggressive restrictions on gun ownership in the U.S.

Keep in mind that when the operation was created in 2009, the Obama administration had not anticipated that it would be exposed. The Democrats had a majority in both the House and Senate and any investigation would have had to have been brought forward by their own party – which Obama, Clinton and Holder knew would not happen. But there were several things they didn’t anticipate:

* Agent Brian Terry’s murder whereby two of the weapons found at the scene were tracked to straw purchasers who bought the weapons under ATF’s supervision via Operation Fast and Furious.

* David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh’s discovery of this operation.

* Democrats’ loss of their majority in the House, with Republicans taking over in January 2011.

* CBS coverage of this operation.

* David Workman’s exceptional and diligent reporting on this operation.

* Darrell Issa’s (R-CA) pursuit of the truth through Congressional Hearings.

Marxists will always tell you that the ends justify the means. Creating the very problem they can claim they’re prepared to solve isn’t a new tactic for Progressives, but this is only part of the story.

Congressman Issa will fail the American people if he stops short and fails to investigate and determine the true purpose of Operation Fast and Furious. To say that it was a dumb program and needs to stop will miss the true agenda behind the creation of the operation in the first place.

While the “bottom up” Operation Fast and Furious continued, so too has Obama’s “top down” operation – the United Nations (UN) Small Arms Treaty.

Did you know that the UN has an Office for Disarmament Affairs? Did you know the Obama administration has been working closely with the UN and firmly supports the UN Small Arms Treaty, which Obama and Clinton fully intend to thrust upon America?

As I reported on April 18, 2011 in the article “THE GLOBALISTS’ TAKEOVER OF AMERICA: Part 3 – WEAKEN MILITARY & CIVILIAN DEFENSE”…

“In addition, the globalists (including Obama and Hillary Clinton) intend to enact the Small Arms Treaty which will restrict gun ownership for American citizens under the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs. Harm our soldiers and disarm our citizens and America is ripe for attack and invasion on our own soil. Couple the Small Arms Treaty with the President’s Executive Order granting international police (INTERPOL) full immunity on American soil, along with the National Civilian Security Force that Obama has been creating, and the clear and present danger to America is obvious.

The danger to America is reinforced by Eric Holder’s DOJ secretly arming Mexico’s drug cartel to put American citizens at greater risk in border-states, and Obama arming radical Islamists in Libya to put American soldiers at greater risk under UN control in Libya.”

If the Obama administration’s agenda isn’t yet clear, despite the facts from emails, testimony, investigations, reports and the links in this article, add the fact that during the Operation Fast and Furious hearings, Mike Lillis at The Hill reported what ensued when ATF Special Agent, Peter Forcelli, stated the following (emphasis added):

“I think perhaps a mandatory minimum one-year sentence might deter an individual from buying a gun,” Forcelli said.

He was responding to a question from Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), who said the current penalties are so weak that they discourage state prosecutors from pursuing straw-purchase cases. Forcelli agreed the current penalties do little to intimidate straw purchasers.

That brief exchange prompted Issa to intervene.

“We’re not here to talk about proposed gun legislation,” Issa said…

Maloney defended her line of questioning, saying she was “trying to figure out why … prosecutors often decline these gun cases.”

Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD), the senior Democrat on the oversight panel, also questioned Issa’s authority to mute Forcelli.”

Then Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, reinforced the fact that it’s really about gun control when he said in a statement on Wednesday:

“It’s also critically important that we examine why our gun laws are so weak that they make trafficking so easy in the first place.”

No mention was made by the Democrat representatives or by Paul Helmke that the Obama administration is aiding and abetting the transfer of U.S. weapons into Mexico via a program they designed, implemented and oversaw – complete with “acting Director Melson who was able to sit at his desk in Washington and – himself – watch a live feed of the straw buyers entering the gun stores to purchase dozens of AK-47 variants,” and “ATF field agents were repeatedly ordered to “stand down” by their supervisors.”

The agenda behind Operation Fast and Furious is only one piece of a larger operation to diminish and ultimately extinguish the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans. The 2nd Amendment, as ratified by the States, reads:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Food for thought:

* “…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

* “No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” (Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334, [C.J.Boyd, Ed., 1950])

* “The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals…. It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.” (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

* “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people” (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)






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This mess alone should be grounds to impeach holder. 

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Issa: Holder 'Absolutely' Knew About 'Fast & Furious' Earlier Than He Testified
nation.foxnews.com/CNSNews ^ | Fred Lucas


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House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.) told CNSNews.com in an interview that he believes the Justice Department is covering up information relevant to a congressional investigation of an operation in which the department knowingly allowed intermediaries of Mexican drug cartels to purchase guns at licensed firearms dealers in the United States and then get away without being arrested or the guns being retrieved.

Last December, two of those guns ended up at the scene of the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent who was killed by alleged agents of the Mexican drug cartels.

Issa pointed to two things he says indicates a Justice Department cover up. First, he cites a letter that Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, head of the Justice Department’s office of legislative affairs, sent to Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Feb. 4, 2011. Issa characterizes that letter as a “lie.”


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Holder is fucking done.   

I hope they press perjury charges against his terrorist ass. 


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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2011, 07:52:53 AM »
Holder is going to be shown to have committed perjury.  Jail his ass. 




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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2011, 09:02:47 AM »
Holder: Justice Department Has Re-Opened The "Civil Rights Division" (enforce in places of worship?)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 6/20/11


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"We have reinvigorated the important work of our Civil Rights Division. Not only is this office once again open for business, it has never been stronger," Attorney General Eric Holder said at a speech to the American Constitution Society.

"Now, some of you know during this administration's first fiscal year the Department filed a record number of civil rights criminal cases," Holder added.

"We've also expanded enforcement efforts to guarantee that in our work places, our military bases, in our housing and lending markets, in our voting booths in our border areas, in our schools and places of worship. And I mean all places of worship," Holder also said.




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Rush is going wild on this now.   

funny how I posted this months and months and months ago. 

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ATF acting director may resign over Fast and Furious program


Washington (CNN) -- Kenneth Melson, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, is expected to resign under pressure, perhaps in the next day or two, in the wake of the ongoing controversy over Operation Fast and Furious, two senior federal law enforcement sources said Monday.

In the operation, straw buyers were allowed to illegally purchase large numbers of weapons, some of which ended up in the hands of cartels in Mexico.

Attorney General Eric Holder will meet Tuesday with Andrew Traver, head of the ATF field office in Chicago, about potentially serving as acting director of the agency, according to the sources.

The Justice Department refused comment.

The operation has come under intense criticism since the December killing of a U.S. Border Patrol officer.

Operation Fast and Furious was "a colossal failure of leadership," Peter Forcelli, a supervisor at the bureau's Phoenix field office, recently said.

The program focused on following people who legally bought weapons that were then transferred to criminals and destined for Mexico. But instead of intercepting the weapons when they switched hands, Operation Fast and Furious called for ATF agents to let the guns "walk" and wait for them to surface in Mexico, according to a report by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The idea was that once the weapons in Mexico were traced back to the straw purchasers, the entire arms smuggling network could be brought down. Instead, the report argues, letting the weapons slip into the wrong hands was a deadly miscalculation that resulted in preventable deaths, including that of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Terry was killed last year just north of the Mexican border in Arizona after he confronted a group of bandits believed to be preying on illegal immigrants. Two weapons found near the scene of the killing were traced to Fast and Furious.

"I was flabbergasted. I couldn't believe it at first," Terry's mother, Josephine, said when she learned that the ATF may have let some of the guns used in the attack slip through its fingers. Terry's family said they want all those involved in his killing and who helped put the weapons in their hands to be prosecuted.

"We ask that if a government official made a wrong decision, that they admit their error and take responsibility for his or her actions," Robert Heyer, Terry's cousin and family spokesman, said in a hearing last week by the House panel.

The committee's chairman, California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, called the operation "felony stupid." As many as 2,000 semi-automatic rifles reached the hands of the cartels as a result, and Issa said the top two ATF officials were briefed the program regularly.
 

 
 
 
 

 
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/20/us.fast.and.furious/index.html?hpt=hp_t2




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Rep. Issa Compares Holder Gun Running Scandal to 'Iran Contra' (VIDEO)
FoxNation.com ^ | June 20 | Staff




NBC News Panel Left Stunned...House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif) appeared on MSNBC's ‘Morning Joe' this morning to discuss the administration's so-called anti-gun trafficking program known as ‘Fast and Furious.' Issa said the program "looks like Iran Contra," and began almost immediately after Pres. Obama's inauguration. Issa says the plan was intentional: to let illegal guns walk across the border ‘to see where the weapons would end up....it was like letting go of the steering wheel and seeing where the car would end up, but not grabbing it before it leaves the road.'


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Let Obama and holder cell share a cell for this.


Hey you morons and leftist dupes - is this what you voted for?   


Fucking idiots   

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So here's the query... Is this this a CT type thing, where they would do this to be able to ban assault weapons in the future? Let's show that these illegal guns are from the US and we can push our anit-gun stance on the population.

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So here's the query... Is this this a CT type thing, where they would do this to be able to ban assault weapons in the future? Let's show that these illegal guns are from the US and we can push our anit-gun stance on the population.

YES! ! ! !  !


Remember when that communist traitor obama and Hillary were out there demonizing gun dealers on the border and trying to institute longer wait periods and other restrictions claiming that gun dealers were shipping 90% of the guns over to Mexico?   

That was the whole point!   Notice DEA was not in on this as well so far as I can tell?   

This whole mess goes right to obama and I hope he and holder are not only impeached, but imprisoned since an agent died as a result of their little stunt.

   

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So here's the query... Is this this a CT type thing, where they would do this to be able to ban assault weapons in the future? Let's show that these illegal guns are from the US and we can push our anit-gun stance on the population.

AND/OR

Is this an effort to keep our inflated border/ATF budgets? 

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If this is the case, and they did this for the purposes of showing why the ATF needs money and or the purpose of banning weapons... I too hope they are found guilty of conspiracy and are impeached and held criminally liable.

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AND/OR

Is this an effort to keep our inflated border/ATF budgets? 

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Funny - cause the agents themselves did not agree with this but were ordered from DOJ and the to people in C to do this.  


Another 240 fail.  

Face it - your messiah most likely orchestrated this whole thing to impose AWB2, all while you kneepadded and sucked his cock for 2 years without hestitation.  

Bro - yes or no - when he came to Ft. Meyers in 2009 - did he slip you a C note or something?  


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If this is the case, and they did this for the purposes of showing why the ATF needs money and or the purpose of banning weapons... I too hope they are found guilty of conspiracy and are impeached and held criminally liable.

They've been complaining that Obama hasn't given enough $ to them for their operations... now we hear they've been secretly letting guns get into the hands of their enemies.

It's similar to the "ct" that we give the taleban $ and weapons to "play nice" or just to keep the war going because so many companies are getting rich off it.

Sure, it's just a CT. But the more you see shit like this - govt approval of shitloads of guns going directly to hands of gangs... well, you have to wonder... are they the bouncer starting a fight in the name of job security?

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Funny - cause the agents themselves did not agree with this but were ordered from DOJ and the to people in C to do this. 

Oh, I see.  Cause if the agents DID agree with it, they'd admit it to CNN.  LMAO!

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They've been complaining that Obama hasn't given enough $ to them for their operations... now we hear they've been secretly letting guns get into the hands of their enemies.

It's similar to the "ct" that we give the taleban $ and weapons to "play nice" or just to keep the war going because so many companies are getting rich off it.

Sure, it's just a CT. But the more you see shit like this - govt approval of shitloads of guns going directly to hands of gangs... well, you have to wonder... are they the bouncer starting a fight in the name of job security?

Nice deflection.  Too bad we see through your bs.   

obama/Holder/Hillary did this to get AWB2 and you know it.   

Stop kneepadding.     

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Oh, I see.  Cause if the agents DID agree with it, they'd admit it to CNN.  LMAO!

Do you even read anything?  Many of the agents were ordered to "stand down" and many of te gun stores were forced to go through with the sales.     


Stop kneepadding obama. 

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Many of the agents were ordered to "stand down" Stop kneepadding obama. 

who gave that order?

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who gave that order?

240 - before spamming this thead with more CT's, do me a favor - start from my first post and read the articles I have posted on this.   

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240 - before spamming this thead with more CT's, do me a favor - start from my first post and read the articles I have posted on this.   

Quotes from ATF managers.  And anonymous ATF officials.

Who gave this order?

You said the agents were ordered to stand down.  What is the name of the official that gave this order?

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Read the damn thread!  It came from washington dc!  They apparently had a monitor allowing the head the watch all of this from his office. 

To believe holder did not know of this is beyond ludicrous.
Additionally - it looks like holder committed perjury as well.   

I also believe hillary and obama are up to their eyeballs in this well

Obama gave a detailed speech in 2009 on mexican guns and the border while this was going on.

No way in hell he was not briefed on this.

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Acting ATF Chief Facing Pressure to Resign Over Botched Gun Operation (The cover-up begins)
abc ^ | 6/20/2011 | JASON RYAN
Posted on June 20, 2011 6:01:06 PM EDT by tobyhill

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acting Director Kenneth Melson is facing pressure to resign over a poorly run gun-trafficking operation blamed for putting weapons in the hands of a border agent's killers.

One of the three ATF agents who blew the whistle on the program, dubbed "Fast and Furious," told a Congressional committee hearing last week that rather than shutting down the illegal gun trade to drug cartels, the operation helped arm them.

"ATF is supposed to be the sheepdog that protects against the wolves that prey upon our southern border," ATF Agent John Dodson said. "Rather than meet the wolf head-on, we sharpened its teeth and added number to its claws, all the while we sat idly by -- watching, tracking and noting as it became a more efficient killer."

Under "Fast and Furious," ATF agents recorded and tracked straw purchases of weapons and allowed the guns to "walk" across the U.S. border into Mexico in an effort to locate major weapons traffickers, rather than catching the low-level buyers.

The operation took a tragic toll when two weapons found on the scene where Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered were linked to the ATF program.

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Ron Paul Issues Statement on ATF Gun Scandal
businesswire.com ^ | 20 June, 2011 | Ron Paul




LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today, 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul commented on the recent revelations about the federal government’s botched program to track gun sales. See statement below.

“The ATF has a long history of abusing our Second Amendment rights, so I was glad to see Congressman Issa demanding answers on the Project “Gunwalker”

“The ATF has a long history of abusing our Second Amendment rights, so I was glad to see Congressman Issa demanding answers on the Project “Gunwalker” scandal.

“My hope is that the recent hearing will further expose the ATF's and Attorney General Eric Holder's assaults on law-abiding gun owners, and more people will start questioning the need for unconstitutional agencies like the ATF that exist solely to infringe on American citizens' God-given right to keep and bear arms.”

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Has Romney issued a similiar condemnation?