Author Topic: TYT: MSNBC: " IN Gov. - Union Workers 'The Real Elite'" (Read 2653 times)

Slapper · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2011, 08:23:13 PM »

I suspect you're swimming against the current here...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2011, 08:27:26 PM »

No, just the average taxpayer sick of paying outrageous taxes and being viewed as a pinata by greedy pigs in public unions whose sole purpose is to extort endless benes and resources from already tapped out suckers who mostly make less than these mini-maddoffs.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2011, 08:32:15 PM »

Can you explain why govt workers should even be allowed to unionize in the first place?

Slapper · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2011, 09:24:03 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 25, 2011, 08:27:26 PM

No, just the average taxpayer sick of paying outrageous taxes and being viewed as a pinata by greedy pigs in public unions whose sole purpose is to extort endless benes and resources from already tapped out suckers who mostly make less than these mini-maddoffs.

Methinks that if it's taxes that you're concerned about then unions and union member, who are also taxpayers, and pay more in taxes since they make more money, should not be at the top of the list.

I'd like to see similar rethoric on your part when talking about municipal perks to Big Business, et cetera.

Benny B · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2011, 09:39:27 PM »

It's pretty amazing that these repube scumbags can get away with blaming math teachers earning $40k a year and probably driving a eight year old used car, or a firefighter making $55K and putting his life on the line every day, as an example of the the people who are "bankrupting" our state governments. These dirt bags are truly galling.

Slapper · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2011, 09:45:51 PM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on February 25, 2011, 09:39:27 PM

It's pretty amazing that these repube scumbags can get away with blaming math teachers earning $40k a year and probably driving a eight year old used car, or a firefighter making $55K and putting his life on the line every day, as an example of the the people who are "bankrupting" our state governments. These dirt bags are truly galling.

And it's vicious too.

They have no sense of shame.

tonymctones · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2011, 10:12:44 PM »

Quote from: Slapper on February 25, 2011, 09:45:51 PM

And it's vicious too.

They have no sense of shame.

LOL says the idiot who wants a percentage of the profit from his company when he assumes NONE of the risk

talk about having no shame

tonymctones · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2011, 10:16:11 PM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on February 25, 2011, 09:39:27 PM

It's pretty amazing that these repube scumbags can get away with blaming math teachers earning $40k a year and probably driving a eight year old used car, or a firefighter making $55K and putting his life on the line every day, as an example of the the people who are "bankrupting" our state governments. These dirt bags are truly galling.

sorry hoss but when the private sector is hurting, what makes you think the public sector shouldnt hurt either?

at a time when unemployment is rampant and b/c of that the money that is used to pay their salaries is lower, what makes you think that they shouldnt have to cut costs too?

Kazan · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2011, 08:07:35 AM »

Quote from: Slapper on February 25, 2011, 09:24:03 PM

Methinks that if it's taxes that you're concerned about then unions and union member, who are also taxpayers, and pay more in taxes since they make more money, should not be at the top of the list.

I'd like to see similar rethoric on your part when talking about municipal perks to Big Business, et cetera.

Really, where does their paycheck come from in the first place? I'll give you a hint, taxes. So they take tax money from the private sector to pay the salary of a teacher ..... then collect taxes from that, its a zero net gain because nothing is produced.

Yeah the evil big business who employ people and pay taxes those evil bastards

George Whorewell · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2011, 01:31:12 PM »

Liberals just can't except the fact that most Americans are Conservatives and that most Conservatives are not rich.

Liberals also can't comprehend that Conservatives would rather work hard and pay their own way then be dependent on the crack cocaine of government handouts, undeserved benefits/ entitlements and the "blame" reflex to explain all of the problems in the world.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2011, 01:49:01 PM »

Quote from: George Whorewell on February 26, 2011, 01:31:12 PM

Liberals just can't except the fact that most Americans are Conservatives and that most Conservatives are not rich.

Liberals also can't comprehend that Conservatives would rather work hard and pay their own way then be dependent on the crack cocaine of government handouts, undeserved benefits/ entitlements and the "blame" reflex to explain all of the problems in the world.

QFT - I am the farthest thing from a fat cat, but i'll be damned if I ever look to someone else to pay my freight.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2011, 02:09:02 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 25, 2011, 10:12:44 PM

LOL says the idiot who wants a percentage of the profit from his company when he assumes NONE of the risk

talk about having no shame

Wurd.

MCWAY · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:06:19 AM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on February 25, 2011, 09:39:27 PM

It's pretty amazing that these repube scumbags can get away with blaming math teachers earning $40k a year and probably driving a eight year old used car, or a firefighter making $55K and putting his life on the line every day, as an example of the the people who are "bankrupting" our state governments. These dirt bags are truly galling.

What's amazing is your utter cluelessness regarding this issue. This is about the unions, bleeding the taxpayers dry and often forcing these members to funnel their money to Democrat candidates, whether they want to do so or not.

And, when public sector workers get paid twice as much and are virtually impossible to fire (no matter how badly they suck), it angers people even more.

As usual, all that "shared sacrifice/pay your fair share" stuff goes out the door, when it comes to Democrats coughing up the cash.

whork25 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:39:39 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 25, 2011, 08:32:15 PM

Can you explain why govt workers should even be allowed to unionize in the first place?

Not really can you?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:40:58 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on February 28, 2011, 06:39:39 AM

Not really can you?

No, because they should not. Do you even know how govt workers came to be able to unionize in th first place? I do, but want to see if you do.

MCWAY · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:52:17 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 28, 2011, 06:40:58 AM

No, because they should not. Do you even know how govt workers came to be able to unionize in th first place? I do, but want to see if you do.

A number of states don't allow their public-sector workers to unionize. Suffice it to say, they don't have the problems that their counterparts do.

Let's see how long these Dems in Wisconsin tuck tail and run, when the bodies start hitting the floor, and those workers get laid off, left and right.

kcballer · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:07:19 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 25, 2011, 08:32:15 PM

Can you explain why govt workers should even be allowed to unionize in the first place?

Because collective bargaining is a freedom that should be available to all Americans.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:09:45 AM »

Where is the taxpayer at the table.

Kazan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:14:25 AM »

Quote from: kcballer on February 28, 2011, 09:07:19 AM

Because collective bargaining is a freedom that should be available to all Americans.

Why?

kcballer · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:15:50 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on February 28, 2011, 09:14:25 AM

Why?

Why shouldn't it be? There are many reasons but the big one to me is the ability to bargain as a group allowing for greater leverage where without it you have none.

Option D · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:17:29 AM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on February 25, 2011, 09:39:27 PM

It's pretty amazing that these repube scumbags can get away with blaming math teachers earning $40k a year and probably driving a eight year old used car, or a firefighter making $55K and putting his life on the line every day, as an example of the the people who are "bankrupting" our state governments. These dirt bags are truly galling.

Fucking hilarious.. its fucking insane.. i cant believe how people get behind total shit like this..

Kazan · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:22:32 AM »

Quote from: kcballer on February 28, 2011, 09:15:50 AM

Why shouldn't it be? There are many reasons but the big one to me is the ability to bargain as a group allowing for greater leverage where without it you have none.

Only about 10% of the private sector is unionized. When I was going to college I worked in a union shop about 30 hrs a week. I had to pay union due's out of my pay check but got zero union representation or perks. But because I worked there I had to pay dues. I will never work for a union again. The union leadership are a bunch of greedy bloodsuckers.

Maybe the public sector unions in WI should be asking why the union leader is making 480K/yr. Public sector unions are a scheme to funnel money back into the democrat party, no being partisan simply stating fact, check union contributions for yourself. There is no reason for public sector unions, they exists on tax payer money, no wealth is created.

But you want to talk about freedom, there is no freedom on choice of joining a union, when working at a union shop.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:26:17 AM »

Some of us are sober and sane unlike deluded leftists like yourself.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:32:07 AM »

In some way, I agree with all of you.

I do think that government unions shouldn't exist... You're a public servant, why do you get to lobby for wage increases and the like when private people often do not.

I do not think that teachers making 40-55k are the issues here... however, you shouldn't get a guaranteed raise in a time of economic crisis... I had to go without one a couple of years back... you can too. I also don't think Military personnel should have guaranteed raises either for that matter.

That said, there are plenty of "conservatives" who live off of medicare or medicaid or what have you... They like their entitlements too.