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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
« Reply #200 on: May 20, 2011, 06:29:54 PM »
WTF is wrong with you7?   



you MUST be looking in the mirror while saying that, right???

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
« Reply #201 on: May 20, 2011, 06:31:15 PM »
Your argument was he was sending them billions as if Obama was newly doing this.

However the FACTs were it's been going on for a long time and Under Obama we have been sending less.

In other words:

33333 Argument inaccuracy and fail.
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There should be a factcheck website dedicated just to your posts. Lol


AGAIN????????

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
« Reply #202 on: May 20, 2011, 06:34:18 PM »
They couldn't even agree on a strongly worded letter to Syria. They aren't enforcing shit.

The UN loves genocide. Hi, Rwanda and Darfur! Then again, can't expect much more when countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, China, Cuba, Russia, Libya and a litany of the most egregious human rights violators on the planet dominate the council dedicated to human rights.  ::)

I get what you're trying to say and you kinda make a point but if we all want to be brutally honest, ALL counties were built on genocide..not condoning it at all just an observation

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
« Reply #203 on: May 20, 2011, 06:51:21 PM »
AGAIN????????

x2 guys does it all the time, gets called out then back peddles.


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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders
« Reply #204 on: May 21, 2011, 04:28:30 AM »
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Benjamin Netanyahu rebukes Barack Obama over 1967 plan
The Telegraph ^ | 5/20/2011 | By Toby Harnden, Washington and Adrian Blomfield
Posted on May 21, 2011 12:16:03 AM EDT by bruinbirdman

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, has issued a public rebuke to Barack Obama's face, telling the US president his proposed border for the Jewish state would be "indefensible" and not based on reality.

Mr Netanyahu's anger was compounded by the fact that he had been taken by surprise, learning the contents of Mr Obama's Thursday speech about the future of the Middle East just a few hours before it was delivered.

During a furious phone call to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, shortly before the speech, Mr Netanyahu stated that American backing for a state based on the borders that existed before Israel's Six-Day war of 1967 with Egypt, Syria and Jordan was unacceptable.

Netanyahu's aides went further. "There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, Washington does not understand what we face," one official accompanying Mr Netanyahu to the United States said.

His aides went further. "There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, Washington does not understand what we face," one official accompanying Mr Netanyahu to the United States said.

In an often tetchy relationship, Mr Obama has frequently appeared to have come off second best to Mr Netanyahu, particularly over the issue of Jewish settlement construction . . . .

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And every other issue well. 

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #205 on: May 21, 2011, 11:44:06 AM »
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Ronald Wilson Reagan vs. Barack Hussein Obama on Israel: What a contrast
AIPNews.com ^ | May 21, 2011 | Tom and Siena Hoefling
Posted on May 21, 2011 1:56:34 PM EDT by EternalVigilance

Over the last few days, as the immoral, incoherent, supremely dangerous policies of Barack Obama concerning our friend and ally Israel have come into greater focus than ever before, we have been struck by the stark contrast with the principles and policies of President Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan:

“The safety and security of the United States and the safety and
security of Israel are all part of a larger cause: the cause of human
rights for every man, woman, and child on this Earth.”

-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm


“[W]hen it comes to Israel, the United States is not a bargainer or a
broker: The United States is a friend and an ally. And that's why one
of the things I'm proudest of is the steps we've been able to take
during this administration to build a stronger foundation of enduring
friendship and cooperation. For example, strategic cooperation --
something other administrations shied away from -- is now a commitment our two governments have made to each other. It responds to our mutual needs and is a reminder to all that no wedge will be driven between the United States and Israel.”

-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm


“Our policy has as its basis -- and this is a first principle in any
negotiation -- the assuring of Israel's freedom and security. We will
not leave Israel to stand alone, nor will we acquiesce in any effort
to gang up on Israel. Peace will not be imposed by us or by anyone
else. It will and must come from the genuine give-and-take of
negotiations.”

-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm


“Only a few years ago, some Americans were beginning to question what we stood for in the world. Our nation has now regained its confidence and sense of purpose. We've returned to proclaiming enthusiastically the democratic ideals that inspired our Founding Fathers and the Founding Fathers of Israel. And I think this vigorous foreign policy is good, of course, for Israel because the United States is thought of today as a strong nation and a reliable ally. This has helped move the process of peace forward throughout the world, and it has enhanced the security with all our friends and allies.  And what I hope you've noticed during the past few years is that we have moved American foreign policy away from the notion that mere containment is enough, that we have willingly and openly proclaimed to the world that our goal is not just peace but freedom as well, that we seek not separate spheres of influence or a simple balance of power or a deadening stalemate with totalitarianism, that we seek instead a day when every person in every land will share fully in the blessings of freedom. And that's the core of our foreign policy: protecting the security of the United States while advancing the cause of world freedom and democratic rights.”

-- Ronald Reagan, remarks to supporters of Israel at White House Briefing on United States foreign policy, March 15, 1988
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1988/031588a.htm


“We're making the future in which our children will live. Only the
courage to act will ensure that it is a more peaceful, secure, and
free world.”

-- Ronald Reagan, remarks at a White House Meeting with Jewish Leaders,
February 2, 1983
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20283b.htm


“In the words of the scripture, the time had come to ‘follow after the
things which make for peace.’ Tonight I want to report to you the
steps we've taken and the prospects they can open up for a just and
lasting peace in the Middle East.  America has long been committed to
bringing peace to this troubled region. For more than a generation,
successive United States administrations have endeavored to develop a
fair and workable process that could lead to a true and lasting
Arab-Israeli peace. Our involvement in the search for Mideast peace is
not a matter of preference; it's a moral imperative. The strategic
importance of the region to the United States is well known, but our
policy is motivated by more than strategic interests. We also have an
irreversible commitment to the survival and territorial integrity of
friendly states. Nor can we ignore the fact that the well-being of
much of the world's economy is tied to stability in the strife-torn
Middle East. Finally, our traditional humanitarian concerns dictated a
continuing effort to peacefully resolve conflicts.”

-- Ronald Reagan, address to the nation on United States policy for peace in the Middle East, September 1, 1982
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1982/90182d.htm

Our foreign and defense policy must have a moral basis for it to ever be effective or lasting. Ronald Reagan understood this, and knew that such an understanding was the foundation for Peace through Strength.
Of this, of course, Barack Hussein Obama knows nothing, as he has continuously demonstrated in all of his policies, foreign and domestic.

As in all other things, those who build their houses on shifting sand will find their work swept away in the inevitable storms of time and history.

And so, we pray that in the dangerous days ahead, may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob raise up leaders who understand the timeless moral truths upon which our civilization depends, who can then bring clarity and true vision to bear so that the people too can understand, and act accordingly on behalf of liberty, our posterity, and true peace.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #206 on: May 21, 2011, 11:58:55 AM »
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/gene-simmons-slams-obama/3xkgb0k7?from



Another idiot who voted for this gets smacked up side the head with the hope and change stick.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #207 on: May 21, 2011, 01:31:02 PM »
Like a 400lb. Dietician.

Huck dropped out of the race already dude.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #208 on: May 21, 2011, 02:34:40 PM »
Allen West on Obama Backing Palestinian Demand: ‘Could Be the Beginning of the End’ for Israel
theblaze.com ^ | May 19, 2011 at 3:15pm | Jonathon M. Seid




Tea Party Rep. Allen West has just issued a response to Obama‘s announcement that he backs the Palestinians’ demand that Israel redraw its borders to where they were in 1967. Not only did he call the move the “most egregious foreign policy decision” the administration has made, but he also feared this “could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.”

“The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism,” West said in an e-mail.

“Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.”

He concluded with some harsh criticisms: “President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”

West has been an outspoken supporter of Israel in the past. Back in January he delivered a speech at the Americans Against Hate Pro-Israel Conference in Fort Lauderdale, FL:

West wasn’t the only one to respond with harsh criticism. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the 1967 lines “indefensible.”


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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #209 on: May 21, 2011, 04:47:14 PM »
Allen West on Obama Backing Palestinian Demand: ‘Could Be the Beginning of the End’ for Israel
theblaze.com ^ | May 19, 2011 at 3:15pm | Jonathon M. Seid




Tea Party Rep. Allen West has just issued a response to Obama‘s announcement that he backs the Palestinians’ demand that Israel redraw its borders to where they were in 1967. Not only did he call the move the “most egregious foreign policy decision” the administration has made, but he also feared this “could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.”

“The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism,” West said in an e-mail.

“Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.”

He concluded with some harsh criticisms: “President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”

West has been an outspoken supporter of Israel in the past. Back in January he delivered a speech at the Americans Against Hate Pro-Israel Conference in Fort Lauderdale, FL:

West wasn’t the only one to respond with harsh criticism. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the 1967 lines “indefensible.”


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that is a good thing, we don't need to support a whole welfare country and it's people, we already as you say numbers guy have welfare state here, why add another with Israel, wasted money down the drain to support a failing country that wouldn't exist without our money each year and weapons free of charge.  Welfare Country :)


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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #210 on: May 21, 2011, 09:18:05 PM »

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #211 on: May 22, 2011, 06:42:58 AM »
Interesting.  So you support the actions of Hamas?  Perhaps not the goal but you atleast do not condemn their actions?



No, that does not mean that I can't choose sides anymore than I would support a violent Indian uprising here in the States.  It means that if Palestine were to rise up and conquer the Jews, I wouldn't be on here claiming that the Jews have a "right" to their own state.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #212 on: May 22, 2011, 06:48:16 AM »
you're mixing apples and oranges.....none of those countries were in a perpetual state of war like Israel is..who do you think pays for that???...US!





Dude, just admit, you zero knowledge of that area.  You're just singing Obama's praises.  That takes stupid to a whole other level.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #213 on: May 22, 2011, 06:49:51 AM »
I take it back. Forget their inability to even agree on a strong-worded letter. I had forgotten that Syria actually stands to gain membership into the Human Rights council at the next vote because no other country from that region will challenge them for the spot.

Hooray for the UN. Slaughter your own people, get a spot on the council that determines human rights for the planet! Yessir, the US and Japan are smart to continue footing 1/3 of the yearly bill (with the US over 25% of that) for a 196 nation organization that has made institutionalized genocide perfectly acceptable.


Exactly, the mighty and great UN.  ::)

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #214 on: May 22, 2011, 01:39:30 PM »


Dude, just admit, you zero knowledge of that area.  You're just singing Obama's praises.  That takes stupid to a whole other level.

you fucking dick...I have been following middle east politics for thirty years you dick..how old are you???....you think you know everything and you continually get on here to prove you are worthless and don't know shit....I have two masters degrees..what the fuck do you have???...

so shut the fuck up....you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you dick....what I said was not a defense of Obama ..it was just stating the reality of the middle east situation....try being objective sometimes you fag bastard instead of constantly getting on here and spewing the same conservative garbage you usually do

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #215 on: May 22, 2011, 02:04:09 PM »
Meltdown.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #216 on: May 22, 2011, 02:06:54 PM »
I hate the State.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #217 on: May 22, 2011, 02:18:17 PM »
you fucking dick...I have been following middle east politics for thirty years you dick..how old are you???....you think you know everything and you continually get on here to prove you are worthless and don't know shit....I have two masters degrees..what the fuck do you have???...

so shut the fuck up....you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about you dick....what I said was not a defense of Obama ..it was just stating the reality of the middle east situation....try being objective sometimes you fag bastard instead of constantly getting on here and spewing the same conservative garbage you usually do

Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #218 on: May 22, 2011, 02:20:55 PM »
Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts does not make you an expert on the ME.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #219 on: May 22, 2011, 02:24:29 PM »
Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts sucking Obama's dick does not make you an expert on the ME.

Fixed.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #220 on: May 22, 2011, 02:38:52 PM »
Obama: 1967 Lines With 'Swaps' Means Different Israeli Border Than in 1967 (Double-Talking Jive)
Fox News ^ | 5/22/2011 | fox news
Posted on May 22, 2011 3:01:36 PM EDT by tobyhill

Claiming his remarks earlier this week on borders for Israel and a future Palestinian state had been misrepresented, President Obama said Sunday that "1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps" means the two sides will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967."

In remarks Sunday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the president tried to explain his earlier position to a warm but occasionally tentative crowd by saying that his speech Thursday at the State Department didn't offer anything new or provocative in the way of peace negotiations.

"There was nothing particularly original in my proposal; this basic framework for negotiations has long been the basis for discussions among the parties, including previous U.S. administrations," he said

"What I did on Thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately," he added, saying his remarks were no different than a "well-known formula" that has been worked on for a generation.

"It allows the parties themselves to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides. The ultimate goal is two states for two peoples. Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland for the Jewish people, and the state of Palestine as the homeland for the Palestinian people; each state enjoying self-determination, mutual recognition, and peace," he said.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #221 on: May 22, 2011, 04:10:25 PM »
Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.

If identifying him as a fag bastard is a meltdown then so be it..I just call people what they are...you should know, dickface

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #222 on: May 22, 2011, 04:11:25 PM »
Andre - having a masters degree in basket weaving arts does not make you an expert on the ME.

I guess being a lawyer in your own mind does, huh?

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #223 on: May 22, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »
Holy shit, that's a meltdown. Awesome work, Skip. This retard sounds like he's about to cry.


Yeah, no love from Andre today.  Interesting though, he has two masters degrees and the grammatical skills of a retarded 12 year old.

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Re: Obama says Palestine must be based on 1967 borders
« Reply #224 on: May 23, 2011, 02:59:57 AM »
Isreal will be transfered into space - let's see if they are able to infect a vacuum.
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