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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2011, 07:35:23 PM »
Some cites claim Barry's trips to Pakistan during the 80's and college show KGB and communist ties.  That's why he wont release the passports as to his traveles in pakistan.  I have read other CT's claiming he was a CIA mole during that time.  He was shacking up with a wealthy pakistani at the time who paid for everything for him.  I'll drag out those pics and bump the thread on that,

I also believe he is hiding his records to conceal his ties to communist/socialist groups via Frank Marshall Davis et al.  

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« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2011, 07:37:37 PM »
Straw - what is crazy? 

He went to pakistan a few times on a passport he wont release for unknown reasons. 

He was sponsored by a wealthy pakistani who paid his way while he was in NY.  This was confirmed by Dr. Drew.

Bama's mentor was well known communist Frank Marshall Davis.  That is a fact. 

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« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2011, 07:43:58 PM »
so what dude? 

just about everyone who reaches the high levels of power have been groomed for it since high school or earlier.  Nobody just accidentally becomes president.  they form relationships with powerful people, good and bad, around the world on their rise.

and sorry, but "Dr Drew"?  The sex doctor from Mtv?  he confirmed some big secret?  jeez, THAT dr drew?

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« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2011, 07:46:37 PM »
so what dude? 

just about everyone who reaches the high levels of power have been groomed for it since high school or earlier.  Nobody just accidentally becomes president.  they form relationships with powerful people, good and bad, around the world on their rise.

and sorry, but "Dr Drew"?  The sex doctor from Mtv?  he confirmed some big secret?  jeez, THAT dr drew?

lol.    No 240!  I'll bump the thread.  I have posted it before.  Its from someone who knows barry and said he is a hardcore commie. 

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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2011, 07:55:46 PM »
eh, really... it's all CT fodder.  "Someone who knows barry", huh?

Sheeit, you could run for office tomorrow - and I could claim I know you - and from your posts here, I could probably write a book on you lol (and vice verse, you on me).

It doesn't matter.  Rudy was right.  That boat has sailed.  His fuct up positions and policy are all that matter now.  Every minute trump is talknikg about the birth cert (for headlines, ratings, and show numbers), it means america isn't hearing about the BS in libya or govt deadline extensions for shutdown, etc.

Trump is quite a distraction - helping obama actually lol... (if you're a birhter, you probably already didn't vote obama, right?)

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« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2011, 08:00:38 PM »
eh, really... it's all CT fodder.  "Someone who knows barry", huh?

Sheeit, you could run for office tomorrow - and I could claim I know you - and from your posts here, I could probably write a book on you lol (and vice verse, you on me).

It doesn't matter.  Rudy was right.  That boat has sailed.  His fuct up positions and policy are all that matter now.  Every minute trump is talknikg about the birth cert (for headlines, ratings, and show numbers), it means america isn't hearing about the BS in libya or govt deadline extensions for shutdown, etc.

Trump is quite a distraction - helping obama actually lol... (if you're a birhter, you probably already didn't vote obama, right?)

Bama not doing well on gallup today. 

BTW - Trump is kicking ass on this topic.  Its on drudge, politico, getbig, everywhere,  etc. 

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« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2011, 08:03:13 PM »
BTW - Trump is kicking ass on this topic.  Its on drudge, politico, getbig, everywhere,  etc. 

This means that all these news outlets aren't talking about the govt shutdown.  nothing about the war.  They're talking about a media sexy fued that will result in nothing. 

And I got shit on for hatin' on palin for her bullshit... but this bullshit is okay because 'it's all over drudge and getbig".

Obama's wrecking the place, but nobody knows it cause they're too busy jherking off to this years' "The Donald" fued.  Charming.  Wonderful.  Enjoy 4 more years of him, cause this is prime "point out his screw up" time, and it's getting squandered.

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« Reply #107 on: March 28, 2011, 08:04:53 PM »
 ;D

at this point all you can do is laugh no? 

BTW - your posts are cracking me up. 

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« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2011, 08:09:59 PM »
all i can do is shake my head.  of course the birthers are right.  but didn't they learn anything about the 911 skeptics they were mocking for 8 years?  it's a one-way ticket to being irrelevant on a national stage.


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« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2011, 08:13:15 PM »
all i can do is shake my head.  of course the birthers are right.  but didn't they learn anything about the 911 skeptics they were mocking for 8 years?  it's a one-way ticket to being irrelevant on a national stage.



You know my thoughts- if I can get even one kick in the balls to obama at this point its worth it to me.  His humiliation is my laughter.   ;D

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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2011, 08:33:27 PM »
Logo Donald Trump Proves He Was Born In Queens
fox news ^ | 3/28/11 | Kathleen Foster


Donald Trump says he was able to get his hands on his birth certificate within an hour, so why can't President Obama?

"Somebody asked me today, 'Can I see your birth certificate?' I had it in my hands in less than an hour," Trump told Fox's Greta Van Susteren tonight on On The Record.

He provided a copy for Greta. Click here to see it.

During a phone interview, Van Susteren asked Trump why he doesn't believe President Obama was born in the United States.

"I want to see his birth certificate," Trump said, "He doesn't have it. He spent millions of dollars on lawyers trying to get out of the issue. They give what's called a certificate of live birth which doesn't even have a signature on it, and anybody can get a certificate of live birth. It's nothing to do with a birth certificate."


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« Reply #111 on: March 28, 2011, 08:38:58 PM »
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Donald Trump releases his birth certificate, demands Obama does the same
The Los Angeles Times ^ | March 28, 2011 | Andrew Malcolm



Donald Trump, like a hungry dog unwilling to let go of a bone, not only refuses to stop attacking President Obama over his birth certificate, but Monday released his own certificate of birth to a conservative website.

Trump, the billionaire television star and real estate mogul, was on "Fox and Friends" Monday morning beating the "birther" drum.

"Why doesn't he show his birth certificate?" Trump asked the hosts of the talk show, echoing what he repeated on "The View" last week. "I wish he would, because I think it's a terrible pale that's hanging over him."

Later Trump, who has hinted at running for the Republican nomination for president, placed doubt upon Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie's statement that he remembers Obama as a baby in Hawaii.

"What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," Abercrombie said in late 2010....


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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #112 on: March 28, 2011, 11:45:38 PM »
This is all bullshit, but whatever.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter
By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.

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"His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama."
Chain e-mail, Friday, April 18th, 2008.

UPDATE, July 2009: It's been a year since we published this article, and Obama's birth certificate is still the subject of much speculation. So on July 1, 2009, we published two Truth-O-Meter items exploring new aspects of the controversy. In one, we explored whether a White House spokesman lied when he claimed Obama's birth certificate is actually posted on the Web ,  and the other one examined whether a bill in Congress would protect Obama from having to release his birth certificate .

Here's our original story as published in June 2008:

SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings .

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

"As a concerned citizen, I'm wondering if there isn't something fishy going on with the Obama certificate."

"I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate' you were sent."

"Something doesn't smell right."

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

"You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!"

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can't help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they're being tricked?

 

• • •
Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

 

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver's license record from the Illinois Secretary of State's office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."

The ultimate document we sought was Obama's birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama's campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won't go away: He's Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There's no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

 

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At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it's identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

 

• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB's investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

"We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy," Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. "And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons."

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

"I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors," Goelz said. "We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event."

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

"Online, they can be almost anything," he said. "They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be."

 

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The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things."

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it."

Still, she acknowledges: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."

 

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And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.

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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2011, 07:18:08 AM »
I am starting to think Birthers are victims of CT genre.

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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #114 on: March 29, 2011, 07:20:40 AM »
I am starting to think Birthers are victims of CT genre.

Yeah, because its all common sense to spend $1,000,000 to keep hidden what can be revealed for $10.  But then agan this is obaa we are talking about so in his head, that probably is very reasonable. 



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« Reply #115 on: March 29, 2011, 07:29:32 AM »
Yeah, because its all common sense to spend $1,000,000 to keep hidden what can be revealed for $10.  But then agan this is obaa we are talking about so in his head, that probably is very reasonable. 

Yep, you are now a bonifoed CT'er falling for stupid arguments like that.

"yeah it's all common sense that WTC 7 defied the laws of physics"

"Yeah it's it's all common sense that plane hit the pentagon and there was no debris"

"Yeah it's all common sense that 19 hijackers pulled this off by themselves"


Facts, young grasshopper, stick to facts.  All you have is conjecture and rhetoric.  So like I said earlier, you got nothing.  You don't even enough objectivity to research possible other reasons and consider them.  Your hatred clouds your judgement and you are compromised.

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« Reply #116 on: March 29, 2011, 07:31:10 AM »
Well, we know obama certainly does not want to talk about, lets see: 
Jobs
Health Care
Economy
Energy
Inflation
Wars
etc etc.   
Hmm
Jobs-Declared a recession before he took office. If you know anything about history, Recession=loss of jobs... jesus youre dumb
Health Care- yeah because it was awesome before he fucked it up :-\
Economy-Yeah kind of goes back to the Recession thing.. this is the buckshot approach you take.. remember we talked about this
Energy -Yeah... In which way... his policy on offshore drilling, after an oil spill that left a gazillion gallons of crude in the gulf... i can understand it..
Inflation-Back To recession.. lol youre funny.. sad...but funny
Wars =-Kinda had 2 going on when he took office.. and he didnt start them.. so.. um.. like what are you saying with this







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« Reply #117 on: March 29, 2011, 07:37:30 AM »
Hmm
Jobs-Declared a recession before he took office. If you know anything about history, Recession=loss of jobs... jesus youre dumb
Health Care- yeah because it was awesome before he fucked it up :-\
Economy-Yeah kind of goes back to the Recession thing.. this is the buckshot approach you take.. remember we talked about this
Energy -Yeah... In which way... his policy on offshore drilling, after an oil spill that left a gazillion gallons of crude in the gulf... i can understand it..
Inflation-Back To recession.. lol youre funny.. sad...but funny
Wars =-Kinda had 2 going on when he took office.. and he didnt start them.. so.. um.. like what are you saying with this








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Re: Donald J. Trump Birth Certificate released.
« Reply #118 on: March 29, 2011, 07:46:23 AM »
there you go.. dont debate. Post pictures.. hahahaha

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« Reply #119 on: March 29, 2011, 07:49:02 AM »
there you go.. dont debate. Post pictures.. hahahaha

Your list made me laugh to hard to post anything.

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« Reply #120 on: March 29, 2011, 10:40:17 AM »
Yep, you are now a bonifoed CT'er falling for stupid arguments like that.

"yeah it's all common sense that WTC 7 defied the laws of physics"

"Yeah it's it's all common sense that plane hit the pentagon and there was no debris"

"Yeah it's all common sense that 19 hijackers pulled this off by themselves"


Facts, young grasshopper, stick to facts.  All you have is conjecture and rhetoric.  So like I said earlier, you got nothing.  You don't even enough objectivity to research possible other reasons and consider them.  Your hatred clouds your judgement and you are compromised.

I think there are legitimate questions about why he won't either release his BC or explain what happened to it, but I agree there really isn't anything to prove he was born in Kenya.  This really could make some Republicans look like fools if they try and make it an issue.

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« Reply #121 on: March 29, 2011, 10:42:40 AM »
I think there are legitimate questions about why he won't either release his BC or explain what happened to it, but I agree there really isn't anything to prove he was born in Kenya.  This really could make some Republicans look like fools if they try and make it an issue.

Other han the grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya as well as the Kenyan ambassabor saying Barry was born there.   ;D

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« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2011, 10:43:33 AM »
I think there are legitimate questions about why he won't either release his BC or explain what happened to it, but I agree there really isn't anything to prove he was born in Kenya.  This really could make some Republicans look like fools if they try and make it an issue.

I agree they are legit questions and they should be answered.  I don't know that people have any legal option to make that happen.  I also agree if repubs follow that rabbit trail and take a public stand they could get butchered.

 

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« Reply #123 on: March 29, 2011, 10:46:34 AM »
Other han the grandmother saying she witnessed his birth in Kenya as well as the Kenyan ambassabor saying Barry was born there.   ;D

Man don't get too invested in this.  There are so many other areas where you can legitimately attack Obama.  Don't get played. 

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« Reply #124 on: March 29, 2011, 10:46:50 AM »
My only question is this... How many other Presidents of the United states have shown their birth certificates due to people not believing they were born in this country?

When was the last time that someone was running for POTUS and all of a sudden, there was some question about their birth status?

I'm just saying that if no one sat around and asked Clinton, or Nixon, or Kennedy, or Martin Van Buren for their birth certificates, then why do people ask about Obama?

Why does everyone believe that there is a HUGE conspiracy between Hawaii and Illinois and that EVERYONE must be a liar?

Seriously... This is crazy talk.

Obviously he was vetted while running for President... Come on!