Analysis of Strategic Threats In the Current Decade (2010-2020)

[Dos Equis]

So you don't think that the fact that the people are fighting us over there is a sign that they don't want us there?

Of course.  I was addressing your contention that we are not invitees of the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.  We are.  We leave when they tell us to leave. 
 

[o13starsnstripes]

I disagree.  I don't believe in isolationism.  We should work together with other nations where practical, and crush them when necessary (e.g., Iraq invading Kuwait).  

  Did you look at any of the evidence I presented? Let me guess your all for a draft and a big supporter of big worthless goverment?

[o13starsnstripes]

Of course.  I was addressing your contention that we are not invitees of the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.  We are.  We leave when they tell us to leave. 
 

So our country takes orders from other goverments and not the will of the american public that wants us out of there? Also the people in those regions want us gone and is setting up a supposed free goverment mean the people rule? So therefore we should leave

[Dos Equis]

Did you look at any of the evidence I presented? Let me guess your all for a draft and a big supporter of big worthless goverment?

Evidence of what? 

A draft?  What in the world??  Not sure where that came from.

I am not a supporter of big government.  I don't trust the government.  They take way too much of my hard earned money. 

[Dos Equis]

So our country takes orders from other goverments and not the will of the american public that wants us out of there? Also the people in those regions want us gone and is setting up a supposed free goverment mean the people rule? So therefore we should leave

No.  Some people want us to leave.  The governments want us to stay.  So we stay. 

Cannot play anymore.  It's supper time.   

[o13starsnstripes]

Evidence of what? 

A draft?  What in the world??  Not sure where that came from.

I am not a supporter of big government.  I don't trust the government.  They take way too much of my hard earned money. 

The links I posted before support my orginal position on 9/11. Well usually when I meet people who say we need to be here and there they want a draft. If your not a supporter of big goverment then how can you say you like all the military action thats been going on? yet your believing the goverment on this topic of taking us to war and for them to justify this militarism they use that to take your money.

[o13starsnstripes]

No.  Some people want us to leave.  The governments want us to stay.  So we stay. 

Cannot play anymore.  It's supper time.   

Oh ok so our country takes orders from other goverments and not our own people and not even at the wishes of the people who live there that want us to leave who are supposed to be living in a country that we invaded for bullshit reasons and set up a goverment of the people, by the people and for the people. Yeah ok your logic makes perfect sense I'm not going to keep this up because to be blunt you lost the argument before you even started it. Nuff said

[OzmO]

What's the difference?  Terrorism is both an immediate and long-term threat.  Radical Islamists have the delusional goal of taking over the world, or at a minimum stamping out our way of life.  They want us to convert or die. 

BTW, when was the last time someone acting on behalf of the Russian or Chinese governments tried to kill Americans? 

The difference is that terrorist are a nuisance compared to what russai and china can do economically and strategically. 

[OzmO]

Wouldn't we absorb a first strike regardless?  I don't know that we have a legit missle defense system yet.  Also wouldn't they absorb our strike also?

Or is it that our protocol is not to do anything while their missle are in the air?

Bump for o13

[o13starsnstripes]

Bump for o13

Sorry about that one I got distracted with some other things. To answer your question yes we would not launch until we absorbed a first strike which the problem that leads us to is how do we strike back because they would be targeting our nukes first.

[OzmO]

Sorry about that one I got distracted with some other things. To answer your question yes we would not launch until we absorbed a first strike which the problem that leads us to is how do we strike back because they would be targeting our nukes first.

Is there a link for that or is that common knowledge?  That doesn't  seems right.  Don't we have enough nuclear subs for a strike back?

[o13starsnstripes]

Is there a link for that or is that common knowledge?  That doesn't  seems right.  Don't we have enough nuclear subs for a strike back?

http://www.uhuh.com/laws/pdd60a.htm this is a link thats talks about that

[o13starsnstripes]

Joel Skousen also discusses this in this interview

you can follow the other parts to it on the youtube site itself

[OzmO]

So our military basically feels that we can absorb a first strike and still be in a position to launch a significant retaliatory  strike?  And that's the new form of deference?

Can we?

[o13starsnstripes]

So our military basically feels that we can absorb a first strike and still be in a position to launch a significant retaliatory  strike?  And that's the new form of deference?

Can we?

Joel Skousen does a much better job explaining it then I do but yes they think that and no we can't in reality launch back. Also we are dismantling and cutting our armed forces left and right. I know someone reading thsi will say oh but what about th huge military budget well only 60 percent is actually spent on the Military the other 40 percent is all just overhead and paperwork.

[Skip8282]

Yep, that's exactly how it's going to go down.  They fire a bunch of missiles at us, and the President, with the very limited time he will have to react, will be focused on some ancient policy. 


Hell, he'll probably call 5 or 6 committee meetings just to debate whether or not he should first issue an executive order to override the policy or if he should convene a special session of Congress to pass a resolution to table the issue for future debate.

[o13starsnstripes]

Yep, that's exactly how it's going to go down.  They fire a bunch of missiles at us, and the President, with the very limited time he will have to react, will be focused on some ancient policy. 


Hell, he'll probably call 5 or 6 committee meetings just to debate whether or not he should first issue an executive order to override the policy or if he should convene a special session of Congress to pass a resolution to table the issue for future debate.

Well neither Bush or Obama have rescidended the order

[Dos Equis]

The links I posted before support my orginal position on 9/11. Well usually when I meet people who say we need to be here and there they want a draft. If your not a supporter of big goverment then how can you say you like all the military action thats been going on? yet your believing the goverment on this topic of taking us to war and for them to justify this militarism they use that to take your money.

No, I didn't look at that 9/11 crap. 

Never said I liked all military actions. 

[Dos Equis]

Oh ok so our country takes orders from other goverments and not our own people and not even at the wishes of the people who live there that want us to leave who are supposed to be living in a country that we invaded for bullshit reasons and set up a goverment of the people, by the people and for the people. Yeah ok your logic makes perfect sense I'm not going to keep this up because to be blunt you lost the argument before you even started it. Nuff said

Yes, we stay in a foreign country at their invitation.  We maintain control over our forces.  Makes perfectly good sense.   

What exactly was the argument?  lol . . .

[Dos Equis]

The difference is that terrorist are a nuisance compared to what russai and china can do economically and strategically. 

Nuisance?  That's really an understatement.  If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier).  They have changed our entire government.  They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security).  They created turmoil in the airline industry.  Hardly just a nuisance. 

Russia, in particular, is pretty impotent.  They don't pose a threat to us economically or militarily.  China is an economic threat.

[Freeborn126]

Nuisance?  That's really an understatement.  If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier).  They have changed our entire government.  They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security).  They created turmoil in the airline industry.  Hardly just a nuisance. 

Russia, in particular, is pretty impotent.  They don't pose a threat to us economically or militarily.  China is an economic threat.

You continue to recite the Fox News canned response to anyone that questions the neo con foreign policy.  Have you done any research into false flag attacks by our gov't?  The origins of Al CIAda?  The blowback caused by our constant interventionism?  How many more Soldiers have to give their lives to keep up this unsustainable policy of nation-building?  Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists?  No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.       

[Dos Equis]

You continue to recite the Fox News canned response to anyone that questions the neo con foreign policy.  Have you done any research into false flag attacks by our gov't?  The origins of Al CIAda?  The blowback caused by our constant interventionism?  How many more Soldiers have to give their lives to keep up this unsustainable policy of nation-building?  Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists?  No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.       

Do you believe the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11?  Just need to know what I'm dealing with.   

No, I have not done "research" in to "false flag attacks" by our government.  Yes I have researched the origins of Al Qaeda, and it didn't involve listening to youtube clips from delusional morons. 

Do you dispute what I said here?    "If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier).  They have changed our entire government.  They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security).  They created turmoil in the airline industry.  Hardly just a nuisance." 

[Skip8282]

Well neither Bush or Obama have rescidended the order

Yes, I'm completely shocked - it should be at the top of their agendas.  Afterall, you never know when some moron with no common sense will argue that that policy means we absolutely must absorb a first strike no matter what the circumstances.  The President may not think for himself, or make changes, or adjust to the matter at hand. 

[Skip8282]

  Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists?  No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.

       

Yeah, you're a bright one alright.


Here's some Muslims attacking the chinese:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/world/asia/06kashgar.html


And some more:



Al Qaeda Leader: China, Enemy to Muslim World

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1929388,00.html#ixzz1J8wUDabA


Chinese arrest four Muslims after jihad bomb attack
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/chinese-arrest-four-muslims-after-jihad-bomb-attack.html


Attack in a Chinese Muslim Region Kills 16 Police
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121782782202309489.html



Yep, sure is a good thing those Chinese don't have a problem with Muslims. 

[Freeborn126]

Do you believe the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11?  Just need to know what I'm dealing with.   

No, I have not done "research" in to "false flag attacks" by our government.  Yes I have researched the origins of Al Qaeda, and it didn't involve listening to youtube clips from delusional morons. 

Do you dispute what I said here?    "If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier).  They have changed our entire government.  They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security).  They created turmoil in the airline industry.  Hardly just a nuisance." 

I'm not saying the US gov't is behind it, I do believe the CIA could very well have been behind it given all the evidence.  This false flag stuff has been going on since the Maine blew up in Cuba back in the early 20th to start that war. 

The video above explains the false flag undwear bomber that was used as the impetous to push the naked body scanner agenda.  The shoe bomber made us take off our shoes, now the underwear bomber makes us get molested or view naked.  A government agent helped the underwear bomber on the plane.  The dude didnt' have a passport, and that is fact.  It is an experiement in human behavior to see how far they can push us in slowly enforcing the police state.