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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #75 on: April 20, 2011, 08:59:25 AM »
Doesn't matter what the treaty says? Then whats the point of having one? An offensive force when under the UN banner not under the NATO banner

doesn't matter if its sanctioned by the UN or not..NATO will act when it wants to..whose going to stop them???....you'll accept the wording of the NATO treaty all of a sudden despite what you see them doing in the real world yet you won't accept Obama's birth certificate...LOL

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« Reply #76 on: April 20, 2011, 09:13:15 AM »
doesn't matter if its sanctioned by the UN or not..NATO will act when it wants to..whose going to stop them???....you'll accept the wording of the NATO treaty all of a sudden despite what you see them doing in the real world yet you won't accept Obama's birth certificate...LOL

Doesn't matter huh? Well hell the constitution is only words on paper, if the government decided to silence you or detain you in some way for no reason, you can take solace in the fact that the real world is kicking you in the balls ::)

What exactly does Obama's birth certificate have to with a treaty? You stretch any further and you are going to pull something
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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2011, 09:28:15 AM »
Obama admn ;  "assad is a reformer".

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2011, 11:25:48 AM »

 22 April 2011 Last updated at 13:55 ET


Syria unrest: 'Bloodiest day' as troops fire on rallies




Protesters in Syria report 60 people killed by security forces - the highest death toll in five weeks of unrest against President Bashar al-Assad.

Demonstrators were shot when they gathered following Friday prayers, a day after the country's decades-long state of emergency was lifted.

Many deaths reportedly occurred in a village near Deraa in the south, and in a suburb of the capital, Damascus.

At least 260 people are said to have died since unrest began last month.

Protesters - said to number tens of thousands across the country - chanted for the overthrow of the regime, Reuters news agency reports.

Video images coming out of Syria show footage of many confrontations where live ammunition was used.

President Assad's lifting of the emergency had been seen as a concession to the protesters.

 A still from video said to have been shot in Deraa shows a bust of Hafez al-Assad being trampled
In their first joint statement since the protests broke out, activists co-ordinating the mass demonstrations demanded the establishment of a democratic political system.

Political unrest in Syria developed after revolts elsewhere in the Arab world, which saw the downfall of the Tunisian and Egyptian presidents and an ongoing civil war in Libya.

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said he was "extremely concerned" by reports of deaths and casualties across Syria and urged restraint on the country's authorities.

"Political reforms should be brought forward and implemented without delay," he said. "The Emergency Law should be lifted in practice, not just in word."

'Rain of bullets'
 
The state news agency Sana said only that security forces had used tear gas and water cannon "to prevent clashes between protesters and citizens and protect public property", and "some" people had been injured.

Continue reading the main story Analysis Kim Ghattas BBC News, Beirut
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The crowds across Syria are proof if any was needed that Mr Assad's concessions were belated and too symbolic.
Some protesters may have seen them as a sign of weakness and felt emboldened. They may be right on some level - the violent reaction from security forces shows the Syrian authorities are becoming increasingly nervous about the crowds.
But the persistence of the demonstrations shows the growing strength and confidence of the protest movement. There is also a newfound sense of community in Syria where people kept apart by fear for years in a police state are finding comfort and strength in numbers on the street.
This Friday's protests had been in the making for a week. Activists told me they did not expect much from Mr Assad. They also fear that if they do not keep up the pressure, they will lose momentum.
Their demands vary and not all want the removal of Mr Assad. With the protesters and the Syrian president both eager to show they are not going anywhere, the confrontation may only get bloodier.

Deaths were reported by opposition activists and witnesses in Ezra, a village near the flash-point southern town of Deraa, and the Douma suburb of Damascus, as well as the Damascus district of Barzeh, the city of Homs and other areas of the country.

In Ezra, shooting began when protesters marched to the village mayor's office, and one of the dead is said to be a boy of 11.

"Bullets started flying over our heads like heavy rain," a witness was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.

A witness in Douma told Reuters he had helped carry three people with bullet wounds to their legs.

One resident in Homs, a city of 700,000 people in the west, told the BBC she had heard shooting and believed three separate protests were under way in the city.

"The security forces are just dispersing the protesters using live bullets," said the resident, who did not wish to be named.

In Hama, a city in central Syria similar in size to Homs, security forces are said to have also opened fire on a crowd of protesters.

International news organisations are largely refused entry to Syria at the moment, limiting the scope of the information they can gather about events there.

The demands issued by the "Syrian local organising committees" include:

An end to torture, killings, arrests and violence against demonstrators
Three days of state-sanctioned mourning for deaths so far
An independent investigation into the deaths of protesters and judicial proceedings in the light of evidence revealed
Release of all political prisoners
Reform of Syria's constitution, including a two-term presidential limit
'Armed insurrection'
 
Before the latest violence, the government insisted it was heeding protesters' demands and President Assad was pushing through a programme of reforms.

 
Thursday's concessions included abolishing state security courts and allowing peaceful protests but other laws give the government wide-ranging powers to detain activists and suppress dissent.

The new law requires Syrians to seek permission from the interior ministry for demonstrations. Some lawyers have said this continues to restrict the freedom of assembly in the same way as the emergency law.

President Assad said last week there would be no more "excuse" for demonstrations once the state of emergency had been lifted.

Damascus has also accused Islamist militants, or Salafists, of waging an "armed insurrection" in Homs and Baniyas.

Overall, the unrest poses the gravest threat to President Assad's rule since he succeeded his father Hafez 11 years ago.

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2011, 06:01:35 PM »
U.N. Can’t Even Agree to Issue Its Standard Sternly Worded Letter Over Bloodshed in Syria

(INN) — The UN Security Council failed to reach an agreement on Wednesday over a statement that would condemn the violence by security forces against demonstrators in Syria.

Diplomats told the Reuters news agency that during the discussions on the subject, the representatives of Lebanon, Russia and China said that they would oppose a decision to denounce the Syrian government’s actions.

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2011, 06:40:32 PM »
U.N. Can’t Even Agree to Issue Its Standard Sternly Worded Letter Over Bloodshed in Syria

(INN) — The UN Security Council failed to reach an agreement on Wednesday over a statement that would condemn the violence by security forces against demonstrators in Syria.

Diplomats told the Reuters news agency that during the discussions on the subject, the representatives of Lebanon, Russia and China said that they would oppose a decision to denounce the Syrian government’s actions.

Is this surprising to anyone? Well, we knew what the fuck was up....some of the leg-humpers and cum guzzlers  still were blinded by the light, so to speak.

Obama has no idea what he's doing, neither do his advisors and neither does anyone else around him that may have his ear. This whole thing "over there" is total cluster fuck. From beginning to end, from his week and half delay on any word about the bombings of Libya to the ham handed, foggy, vague speech he gave, to the "non-lethal" aide, to every other thing. This idiot has not shown one ounce of brains, diplomatic skill or leadership.

Actually his bumbling started with Egypt.

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2011, 09:43:48 PM »
Is this surprising to anyone? Well, we knew what the fuck was up....some of the leg-humpers and cum guzzlers  still were blinded by the light, so to speak.

Obama has no idea what he's doing, neither do his advisors and neither does anyone else around him that may have his ear. This whole thing "over there" is total cluster fuck. From beginning to end, from his week and half delay on any word about the bombings of Libya to the ham handed, foggy, vague speech he gave, to the "non-lethal" aide, to every other thing. This idiot has not shown one ounce of brains, diplomatic skill or leadership.

Actually his bumbling started with Egypt.

what is he supposed to do smartguy???

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2011, 01:33:16 AM »
Resign. 

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #83 on: April 28, 2011, 03:16:39 AM »
Resign. 
How did you become such a racist liar?

Show your records!
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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #84 on: April 28, 2011, 06:06:18 AM »
what is he supposed to do smartguy???

Not be exposed as a total clown.

-Have a clear, consistent  message when it came to Egypt.
-See Assad in Jordan for what he/his father were/was and not go and call him a "reformer" thus making a fool of himself and his Admin.
-Not give a speech on Libya 9 days after operations began.
-Have a clear message on Libya. Not a "no fly zone only" to "bombing the hell out of everything" to "non lethal aide" to "we don't know who the rebels are" to "We are in charge, no wait, we aren't" to "NATO is in charge now, oh wait, no they're not we still are for a few more days" and on and on.
-Not give said speech that spoke about "preventing" human slaughters as a reason for action in Libya and then do/say nothing as as human slaughters go on in Syria, Yemen etc.
-Do nothing as, some time ago, Iran was having dissidents/protesters/young professionals march for revolution in Iran. That was the missed opportunity to affect change.

The list goes on.

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« Reply #85 on: April 28, 2011, 07:59:46 AM »
Not be exposed as a total clown.

-Have a clear, consistent  message when it came to Egypt.
-See Assad in Jordan for what he/his father were/was and not go and call him a "reformer" thus making a fool of himself and his Admin.
-Not give a speech on Libya 9 days after operations began.
-Have a clear message on Libya. Not a "no fly zone only" to "bombing the hell out of everything" to "non lethal aide" to "we don't know who the rebels are" to "We are in charge, no wait, we aren't" to "NATO is in charge now, oh wait, no they're not we still are for a few more days" and on and on.
-Not give said speech that spoke about "preventing" human slaughters as a reason for action in Libya and then do/say nothing as as human slaughters go on in Syria, Yemen etc.
-Do nothing as, some time ago, Iran was having dissidents/protesters/young professionals march for revolution in Iran. That was the missed opportunity to affect change.

The list goes on.
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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #86 on: April 28, 2011, 08:20:48 AM »
Assad is an agent of change according to bama.

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« Reply #87 on: April 28, 2011, 08:46:11 AM »
Assad is an agent of change according to bama.

Assad doesn't have oil, so no one cares
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« Reply #88 on: April 28, 2011, 10:40:48 AM »
Assad doesn't have oil, so no one cares

so what???..every other country in the world acts in its own best interests..why can't we do the same???...I don't see china, Russia or Germany intervening either

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« Reply #89 on: April 28, 2011, 10:48:17 AM »
Andre - I generally like you - but please - wake the hell up - your messiah has royally screwed this up as well.   

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #90 on: April 28, 2011, 10:53:48 AM »
Andre - I generally like you - but please - wake the hell up - your messiah has royally screwed this up as well.   

in what way???...if he intervenes you guys yell..if he doesn't you guys yell....you and I both know when it comes to Obama there is no right way with you guys..at least admit it...you'd  gain much credibility that way

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #91 on: April 28, 2011, 10:54:02 AM »

Decision time for the U.S. on Assad rule April 28, 2011 01:51 AM (Last updated: April 28, 2011 10:56 AM)
By Michael Young The Daily Star

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Apr/28/Decision-time-for-the-US-on-Assad-rule.ashx#axzz1KoJyA2JT



The Obama administration’s policy toward Syria has been narrowly portrayed as vacillating between heart and mind. On the one side the United States has sought to save lives and defend humanistic values; on the other, it has endeavored to protect its interests in the Middle East.

The tension between principles and political preferences is ever present in the foreign policy of democracies, so it should come as no surprise that Washington has struggled amid proliferating Arab uprisings. However, the Obama administration’s confusion on Syria has also very much had to do with the absence of an overriding strategy. The United States has had no center of gravity when dealing with Damascus.

It was obvious weeks ago, when the Syrian protests began, that the Obama team could not avoid addressing the situation in the country, whatever the outcome. If President Bashar Assad crushed his own people, the administration would face a major human rights challenge; and if Assad and his regime buckled, then Washington would have to attend to a volatile new political reality. Either way, more was required than the reactive, timorous responses we witnessed as the situation in Syria worsened. President Barack Obama and his advisers seem as unprepared today on Syria as they were last month.

The latest twist is that Washington is considering sanctions against Syrian regime figures, even as American officials whisper that the U.S. has little leverage over Syria. The second proposition underlines how low are the administration’s expectations that the first will succeed. Sanctions are there for show, to do something when one doesn’t want to have to do more. Yet Obama has no justification to pursue that vacant path when he was provided with ample evidence that sanctions against Moammar Gadhafi’s regime failed utterly to halt a military onslaught on eastern Libya, let alone ameliorate Gadhafi’s behavior.

If fears of a possible breakdown in Syria are serious enough to warrant excessive cautiousness by the Obama administration, surely that means the country is sufficiently important to impose a U.S. approach more coherent than what we have had until now. The grim fact is that there is no Syria policy in Washington. The Assad regime’s ever higher levels of barbarity have been eliciting ever sharper administration ejaculations of outrage, and feverish consultations with this ally and that. But none of those steps has established that Obama knows what he really wants to achieve in Syria, whether he actually sees beyond the Assads, what his endgame is, let alone whether he is looking to exploit the situation to bolster America’s otherwise uneasy status in the Middle East.

As numerous commentators have pointed out, Syria is that rare place where America’s heart and mind converge. The fall of the Assad regime, if handled properly, would represent a major setback for Iran and its regional allies. Potentially, this could have a positive impact in Lebanon, Palestinian areas and Iraq. More important, it could free the Syrian people from four decades of subjugation by a single sinister family.

Understandably, no one is seriously contemplating a scheme for the U.S. and European states to mount a military campaign to protect the Syrian population. Syrians have not braved the bullets of their security services and pro-Assad crime gangs in the hope of inviting foreign armed intervention. This is one society that has appeared quite determined to free itself largely through its own agency, and peacefully. However, with Western, especially American, apathy measured in lives, Syrian protesters are entitled to wonder why their plight has been so much less pressing than those of the Egyptians and Libyans.

You can still hear Western officials and spokespersons mouthing empty words about the need for Bashar Assad to embrace reform. Have they been watching what is going on? The Syrian regime knows that it simply has no such option. If you give society a bit of breathing space, it realizes better than anyone else, most Syrians will see an opening to overthrow the entire foul edifice repressing them. What many in Syria want is an end to the institutionalized suffocation and terrorization of Assad rule. They see no point in preserving Bashar if they can get rid of Maher, his brother who has led the savage military counterattack.

Bashar Assad is no more a reformer than Moammar Gadhafi or Hosni Mubarak. And with his security forces butchering Syrians from north to south and from east to west, his legitimacy has reached an end. It’s about time that Washington accept these simple propositions and reshape its attitude toward Syria accordingly. Bashar is not about to do what Washington, deep down, pines for him to do: He won’t reform, he won’t break with Iran, he won’t engage seriously in peace negotiations with Israel, and he won’t halt his interference in Lebanon.

What Bashar will do is continue to slaughter his own population, and they will likely continue to resist. It’s as simple as that, and Obama should place the U.S. on the right side of the fight against the Assads and their maintenance in power, while also helping to ease Syria toward a smooth democratic transition. This is not about regime change in Syria; the Syrian regime has already ascertained that change is obligatory. It’s about the U.S. accepting that change is inevitable and ensuring that it can become useful for whatever occurs next.

If politics is the art of the possible, it’s also about knowing what one desires. Barack Obama has so often accepted the restrictions of what is possible that he has frequently proven unwilling to pursue what he finds desirable. The president’s wavering on Syria has been a prime illustration of this shortcoming. And yet the sordid methods of the Assads make even the most difficult decisions fairly easy to take.

Michael Young is opinion editor of THE DAILY STAR and author of “The Ghosts of Martyrs Square: An Eyewitness Account of Lebanon’s Life Struggle” (Simon & Schuster), listed as one of the 10 notable books of 2010 by The Wall Street Journal. He tweets @BeirutCalling.

  
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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2011, 10:55:54 AM »
so what???..every other country in the world acts in its own best interests..why can't we do the same???...I don't see china, Russia or Germany intervening either

No you don't see them doing it, because the US does the dirty work and they reap the benefits. 
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« Reply #93 on: April 28, 2011, 12:25:44 PM »
in what way???...if he intervenes you guys yell..if he doesn't you guys yell....you and I both know when it comes to Obama there is no right way with you guys..at least admit it...you'd  gain much credibility that way
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« Reply #94 on: April 28, 2011, 12:28:21 PM »
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« Reply #95 on: April 28, 2011, 08:54:21 PM »
No you don't see them doing it, because the US does the dirty work and they reap the benefits. 

wow!..I actually agree with you....you finally said something smart.....I knew it would happen if I waited long enough :)

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« Reply #96 on: April 29, 2011, 05:20:41 AM »
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If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

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« Reply #97 on: April 29, 2011, 05:29:54 AM »
Obama's Inconsistency Doctrine on the Arab Spring
by P.J. Crowley
April 28, 2011 | 10:38pm




International criticism is mounting and Syrian protesters are planning another day of rage after Assad regime’s brutal crackdown left hundreds dead. So why, asks former Assistant Secretary of State P.J. Crowley, isn’t the president telling Bashar al-Assad to step down, like Muammar Gaddafi in Libya?

When President Obama authorized an intervention in Libya in March, pundits rushed to declare an Obama Doctrine.

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But one decision does not a doctrine make, despite the popular idea that every modern president must have one. Although Obama seemed to embrace the concept of “responsibility to protect” in intervening in Libya and calling for Muammar Gaddafi to step down from power, he has not done the same in Syria. If Gaddafi must go because he is unwilling to reform and has employed extreme state-controlled violence against a population that no longer fears him, so should President Bashar al-Assad.

The responsibility to protect, or the notion that the international community has an obligation to intervene when governments threaten their people with mass atrocities, leaves undefined a specific trigger for intervention. Obama, supported by a U.N. Security Council resolution and a clear call for action by the Arab League, pointed to Gaddafi’s threat to attack Benghazi, the center of the rebellion against the Libyan dictator. So far, so good.

But the president went beyond simply justifying military action. Because of Gaddafi’s explicit threat, Obama said, the Libyan “lost legitimacy with his people” and “needs to step down from power.” While for Egypt the president publicly encouraged only a transition, Obama called for regime change in Libya. Transformation became personal.

The White House was quick to downplay the idea of a precedent. “We don’t make decisions about questions like intervention based on consistency or precedent,” said Denis McDonough, the deputy national-security adviser.

Having publicly called for Gaddafi’s departure, the administration is hesitating to do the same with Assad. It shouldn’t.

So we have the Doctrine of Inconsistency, which is becoming ever clearer as the administration struggles to develop a coherent approach to events in Syria in light of our statements on and actions in Libya.

If Libya, then why not Syria?

Let’s stipulate that, in the face of truly transformational change, any government will be challenged. Whether televised or tweeted, history is unfolding in real time and policymakers—and spokesmen, of which I was one until mid-March—are constantly playing catchup with events the U.S. cannot control.

Throughout this Arab awakening, the administration’s words and actions have actually been pretty consistent. Starting with Secretary of State Clinton’s speech in Doha in January, the Obama team has urgently called on the region to embrace political, social, and economic reform. It laid down broad principles to guide change: no violence, respect for human rights and universal principles including freedom of speech and assembly, and real reform. The administration has made clear repeatedly that specific actions would vary country by country.

And in contrast to Libya, there is no viable military option in Syria. But what about the question of legitimacy? As the crackdown in Syria escalates, it is increasingly difficult to distinguish Gaddafi’s sins from those of Assad. Having publicly called for Gaddafi’s departure, the administration is hesitating to do the same with Assad. It shouldn’t.

No bright lines determine crimes against humanity; as Potter Stewart once said about obscenity, we know it when we see it. Gaddafi has killed thousands while Assad reportedly has killed hundreds—so far. But both are aggressively employing the full weight of their security forces to violently quell all political opposition.

While some regional leaders are still heeding calls for reform, potentially sooner in Yemen and later in Bahrain because of Saudi opposition, Gaddafi is not listening to anyone—and neither is Assad. For more than a decade, Assad has always chosen survival over reform. There is no indication he will make a different choice with his back against the wall.

The administration’s caution with Syria is certainly due in part to the uncertainty that what follows Assad would be better. But if that were the criteria guiding us, we would have stuck with Hosni Mubarak. Another factor is the absence of the strong regional support that crystallized around Libya. Again, if that is a precondition, the Arab Spring will end in Tripoli or Sana’a, depending on which leader holds out the longest.

And yet the political case for regime change in Syria is compelling, and far more fundamental to long-term regional interests. We want Gaddafi to go, a leader we took off the state sponsor of terrorism list. We appear prepared to tolerate a leader whose regime remains on the list—and for good reason.

While Assad has kept the border with Israel quiet, every other action he has taken, most particularly his alliances with Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas, undermine the overarching U.S. objective in the region: comprehensive peace in the Middle East.

If the United States is committed to promoting responsible, accountable, and representative government around the world, it cannot just do so where it is easy. It should do so where it matters. If Gaddafi has forfeited his legitimacy, then Assad is as well, and the world’s most powerful democracy should say so now, when it matters.

Philip J. (P.J.) Crowley is the 2011-2012 Omar Bradley Chair for Strategic Leadership at Dickinson College, Penn State University Dickinson School of Law and School of International Affairs, and the Army War College. He served as the assistant secretary of state for public affairs and spokesman for the State Department from May 2009 until March 2011.

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Re: Syrian protests death toll tops 200. Obama and world stay silent.
« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2011, 07:22:02 AM »
If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

You're rebuttal's lack of substance doesn't reflect well on you.

your one-note criticism of Obama does not reflect well on you either..how can EVERYTHING he does be wrong????..you have no credibility

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« Reply #99 on: April 29, 2011, 07:27:43 AM »
your one-note criticism of Obama does not reflect well on you either..how can EVERYTHING he does be wrong????..you have no credibility

Show me what he has done that is right?