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garebear

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its obvious you dont but again trolling isnt welcome here no matter what you think he does for a living...

Go elsewhere if youre just going to troll.
I'll take that as a no.
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I'll take that as a no.
dont know how you got that from my post? my post was simply to say what you think about him doesnt justify your idiocy in trolling a board that doesnt welcome trolls.

why dont you take him up on his offer and wager your posting ability here on getbig?

Ill wager any amount w anyone on this board as to my credentials. From birth to present date, unlike obama.

it would be nice to be rid of at least one troll

andreisdaman

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Let see if you can actually ANSWER A QUESTION, that question being......

What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay?


not for me to determine....but a lot of economic experts believe that taxes are too low on the rich as a percentage of income..taxes are also too low on a lot of corporations (especially the oil companies)....we have to raise more revenue...bottom line....the rich are going to have to pay more no matter how you slice it..sorry to bust your balloon

andreisdaman

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Do you believe that 333... is a lawyer?

NO

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Andre - we both live in the bronx.  Ill wager you yankee tickets on a bet.  Yes or no? 

andreisdaman

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Andre - we both live in the bronx.  Ill wager you yankee tickets on a bet.  Yes or no? 

wager on what?..that you're a Lawyer?

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Yes. 

andreisdaman

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Yes. 

I don't know if I should take that wager..although I'm tempted..your credentials may be as fake as you claim Obama's to be ;)

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Tell me what you want for me to prove it? 

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lol i can vouch for 33, he is indeed a lawyer.  he's emotional and displays poor judgement in his political candidates, but he does nothing but tell the truth here.

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So says the guy who voted for bob barr, kneepads obama, said crist would be the 2012 gop nominee, etc.

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not for me to determine....but a lot of economic experts believe that taxes are too low on the rich as a percentage of income..taxes are also too low on a lot of corporations (especially the oil companies)....we have to raise more revenue...bottom line....the rich are going to have to pay more no matter how you slice it..sorry to bust your balloon

Revenue isn't the issue; it's SPENDING, pure and simple. And, why are you whining about paying a "fair share" when you can't (and neither can any other liberal for that matter) even define what that is?

The bottom line is you and other people think you have the right to spend other people's money. And, if you're cracked enough to think that Obama (or any other politician) is going to stick it to the rich, you've been indulging in that sticky green.

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dont know how you got that from my post? my post was simply to say what you think about him doesnt justify your idiocy in trolling a board that doesnt welcome trolls.

why dont you take him up on his offer and wager your posting ability here on getbig?

it would be nice to be rid of at least one troll
Suck one.

I'll say whatever I want.

You don't get to define the question.

Understand?
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How much are we betting? 

tonymctones

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Suck one.

I'll say whatever I want.

You don't get to define the question.

Understand?
have fun in time out bottom bitch!!!

if you continue the way you are thats where youre trolling ass shall be ;)

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I think this phrase says it all, when it comes to Obama and his whiny class-warfare speech, pitifully disguised as a spiel about his budget plan:

So, the purpose of government is to take my money, filter it through a bunch of agencies and contractors, each taking their cut, and then give a small fraction of it back to me to spend on "approved" services. Gives new meaning to the phrase "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." I wish they would stop helping.

This is from a WSJ article I will post a bit later.

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Revenue isn't the issue; it's SPENDING, pure and simple. And, why are you whining about paying a "fair share" when you can't (and neither can any other liberal for that matter) even define what that is?

The bottom line is you and other people think you have the right to spend other people's money. And, if you're cracked enough to think that Obama (or any other politician) is going to stick it to the rich, you've been indulging in that sticky green.

well I pose the same question to you..how do you know the rich are paying ENOUGH???..you don't ..so my argument is as valid as yours...

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Did The President's Disastrous Budget Speech Cause The Shock US Downgrade?
Business Insider ^ | 04/18/2011 | Joe Weisenthal


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The merits of the S&P outlook downgrade aside -- we're skeptical -- it's interesting that the official downgrade announcement specifically talks about the political events of the past few weeks: The Ryan Plan and the Obama speech.

One charge that's been leveled against the President is that he didn't actually introduce a plan, but rather gave a campaign speech centered around accusing the GOP of throwing grandma and grandpa underneath the bus.

As such, the two parties have confirmed that they're extremely far apart, and it's this that the S&P seems to be reacting to.


(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...

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100 Percent Tax on Those Earning $500K or More Leaves U.S. With $839B Deficit
CNSNews ^ | April 18, 2011 | Terence P. Jeffrey





(CNSNews.com) - When he presented his plan for dealing with the national debt last week, President Barack Obama suggested a number of ways he would like to increase taxes on people he referred to as “millionaires and billionaires.”


However, recently released statistics from the Internal Revenue Service indicate that taxing away 100 percent of the income of every American who earned $500,000 or more in 2009 would still have left the United States with a massive annual deficit.


In fact, in tax year 2009 (the last year for which IRS has published statistics), the combined gross income of all Americans earning $500,000 per year or more was about $1.03 trillion ($1,029,256,075,000.00) of which these Americans paid $256.7 billion ($256,699,499,000.00) in federal income taxes.


That left this group of Americans about $773 billion ($772,556,576,000.00) in income that the federal government had not taken away in income taxes.


Also during tax year 2009, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, the national debt increased by $1.61 trillion ($1,611,544,812,899.90).


If the federal government had increased the income-tax rate on Americans earning more than $500,000 to 100 percent in 2009--and seized the remaining $773 billion in income it had not initially taken away from these Americans--that would have closed the federal deficit for the year to $839 billion ($838,988,236,899.90).


After taxing away 100 percent of the income of those earning $500,000 or more in 2009, the Obama administration would still have needed to increase taxes on Americans earning less than $500,000 by a total of $839 billion--just to balance federal accounts for the year.


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well I pose the same question to you..how do you know the rich are paying ENOUGH???..you don't ..so my argument is as valid as yours...

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100 Percent Tax on Those Earning $500K or More Leaves U.S. With $839B Deficit
CNSNews ^ | April 18, 2011 | Terence P. Jeffrey





(CNSNews.com) - When he presented his plan for dealing with the national debt last week, President Barack Obama suggested a number of ways he would like to increase taxes on people he referred to as “millionaires and billionaires.”


However, recently released statistics from the Internal Revenue Service indicate that taxing away 100 percent of the income of every American who earned $500,000 or more in 2009 would still have left the United States with a massive annual deficit.


In fact, in tax year 2009 (the last year for which IRS has published statistics), the combined gross income of all Americans earning $500,000 per year or more was about $1.03 trillion ($1,029,256,075,000.00) of which these Americans paid $256.7 billion ($256,699,499,000.00) in federal income taxes.


That left this group of Americans about $773 billion ($772,556,576,000.00) in income that the federal government had not taken away in income taxes.


Also during tax year 2009, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, the national debt increased by $1.61 trillion ($1,611,544,812,899.90).


If the federal government had increased the income-tax rate on Americans earning more than $500,000 to 100 percent in 2009--and seized the remaining $773 billion in income it had not initially taken away from these Americans--that would have closed the federal deficit for the year to $839 billion ($838,988,236,899.90).


After taxing away 100 percent of the income of those earning $500,000 or more in 2009, the Obama administration would still have needed to increase taxes on Americans earning less than $500,000 by a total of $839 billion--just to balance federal accounts for the year.



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Not hard to do.   I await Straw Man, Benny, Andre, 240, Blacken, et al providing a rebuttal. 

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Obama's Tax Hypocrisy
Townhall.com ^ | April 19, 2011 | Lurita Doan





The Obama Administration’s call for greater taxes and “shared sacrifice” is hollow and morally bankrupt. President Obama wants to convince the nation that many Americans, most of them small business owners, must pay more tax as “their fair share” of huge, annual deficits. What Mr. Obama never mentions is that he has surrounded himself with key advisors and selected key members of his Administration that are tax cheats. Never before has an Administration been so wholly composed of senior officials that push so stridently for increasing taxes on Americans, while they avoid any personal responsibility for paying their own personal taxes. Seemingly, if you are a member of the Obama Administration, your “fair share” of the national tax burden is zero. Instead, taxes are an instrument of “shared sacrifice” to be loaded onto someone else.


First some numbers. Some 41 different Senior Obama Administration Officials have been identified as tax cheats, owing over $840 million in back taxes. Many of Obama’s key officials that are responsible for the economy and have been given wide powers in tax policy are themselves, tax cheats and tax avoiders. The most notable of these is Timmy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury and nominal head of the IRS, who utilized the “INTUIT TurboTax-is-not intuitive-I didn’t-realize-I was-supposed-to-pay-taxes” defense. Once exposed, Obama dismissed Geithner’s tax cheating, and had no problem with him heading the Treasury/IRS. In fact, Mr. Obama continued to stock his Administration with tax cheats and tax avoiders, seeing no contradiction in a advocating policies that call for ever greater taxes on other Americans, while so many of his own cabinet and key economic advisors have failed to pay.

Hilda Solis, Secretary of Labor, used the “I’m-just-a-wife-how-can-I-be-held-responsible-for-knowing-what-my-husband-is-doing” defense, and after paying back taxes on the few years for which they were fingered, now heads the team shaping Obama’s labor taxes policies. Ron Kirk, Obama’s Trade representative, had tax problems, as did Kathleen Sibelius, current HHS Secretary, who leads the push for the Obamacare atrocity, and unabashedly calls for greater taxes and burdens on honest Americans to fund the dodgy scheme.


There are also tax problems with the appointees at levels below the cabinet, such as Capricia Marshall (Chief of Protocol), with the “post-office-ate-my-tax return” defense or Lael Brainerd (Treasury Undersecretary). In addition to the individual tax cheats currently serving in the Obama administration, there have been a startling number of nominees who have withdrawn their nomination after being publicly exposed as having tax and other issues. A quick review includes Tom Daschle (HHS Nominee), Nancy Killefer (OMB nominee), Bill Richardson, and Caroline Atkinson (Treasury-International Affairs), just to name a few.

Some of the Obama appointees’ tax problems may not have been as despicable as others, but just look at the number of them. Has any previous Administration been so infested with tax cheats? Nor does President Obama seem to think tax cheating and tax avoidance are detriments to public service for he continues to select nominees that are similarly “tax challenged”.


Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of General Electric was selected by Obama to lead his Counsel on Jobs and Competitiveness this past January. Immelt has boasted of GE’s staggering $14.2 billion in profits and that it paid no taxes. Yet, Immelt feels right at home pushing the Obama line that other Americans need to pay more in taxes to fund the bloated government that Obama has added.

The Obama Administration seems to be filled with so many tax cheats and tax avoiders that it has surrendered any credibility on the issue of increasing taxes. President Obama remains undeterred by the poor example set by his own Administration and brazenly announced that “we are beginning to crack down on Americans who are bending or breaking the rules, and we're helping to ensure that all Americans are contributing their fair share—and not let some citizens and businesses dodge their tax responsibility, while ordinary Americans pick up the slack.”

Fine words, but what the President did not mention is that his Administration sets a terrible example and is most in need of a “crack down”. Indeed, recent reports estimate the full amount of taxes owed by all members of the Obama Administration is over $3 billion.


Americans are saddled with the sad example of a President that seems to feel no reluctance in calling on others to pay more taxes, even as his own Administration is increasingly composed of tax cheats. Nor is the President deterred in the use of increasingly hostile rhetoric used to describe honest opponents (most of whom do pay their annual taxes), questioning their patriotism, fairness, and compassion.

Obama’s tax policy seems aimed at protecting his own loyalists and pushing responsibility for taxes onto others. One thing is clear: Obama can always count on folks who don’t pay their taxes to support higher taxes for others because it sure seems they know they won’t have to pay. If Obama wants to restore his credibility in the debate on taxes, he should first get rid of the many close advisors that have cheated on their taxes, and require all those serving in his Administration to pay what they owe.

Until he does so, the strange and tortured logic that President Obama uses to push for other Americans to pay “their fair share” must be rejected. Put simply, the Obama Administration has no credibility to talk about tax policy, much less make any moral argument about who should be paying more.


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sorry, but neither you nor 3333 have owned anyone....no one is saying the federal government debt would be wiped away and that the budget would be balanced....but the lost revenue that we don't get from the millionaires, billionaires, and corporations has to be made up somewhere and this is done by BORROWING.....thus the money we don't collect fairly from the above gets borrowed from China and then it now costs us more due to the interest payments....and guess who pays those interest payments?..you and I..NOT THE RICH.....so you guys sit on here and champion the rich....but they are actually they are laughing in your face as they walk to the bank...we give them tax breaks which fattens their wallets and then we also pay the interest on the debt which we accumulate due to us not taxing them enough....without all the tax cuts guys..THEY WOULD STILL BE RICH....don't cry for them

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sorry, but neither you nor 3333 have owned anyone....no one is saying the federal government debt would be wiped away and that the budget would be balanced....but the lost revenue that we don't get from the millionaires, billionaires, and corporations has to be made up somewhere and this is done by BORROWING.....thus the money we don't collect fairly from the above gets borrowed from China and then it now costs us more due to the interest payments....and guess who pays those interest payments?..you and I..NOT THE RICH.....so you guys sit on here and champion the rich....but they are actually they are laughing in your face as they walk to the bank...we give them tax breaks which fattens their wallets and then we also pay the interest on the debt which we accumulate due to us not taxing them enough....without all the tax cuts guys..THEY WOULD STILL BE RICH....don't cry for them

HOW ABOUT CUTTING FUCKING SPENDING YOU DOUCHE?   

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HOW ABOUT CUTTING FUCKING SPENDING YOU DOUCHE?   

sure we can cut spending....but are Americans really ready for the reduced services they would have to live with"???....look at NYC..we cut spending and we cut spending on the MTA mass transit system as well...now the trains are crowded basically all day long now...there is no off-peak anymore...I used to be able to get a seat after rush hour...now I find myself standing....just an inconvenience I can live with..but also now whole bus routes have been cut and it now takes longer to catch a bus just to go a few blocks....imagine this on a nation-wide massive scale not just with public transit but with hospital visits, waiting for court dates, waiting to get a policeman to respond, waiting for firemen to put out fires, waiting for EMT's to come save you from a heart attack, etc....

Can we live with this..yes..do we really want to though???