natural?

[Hulkotron]

Are we of the consensus that Steve Reeves was natural?

[Tito24]

[DK II]

Are we of the consensus that Steve Reeves was natural?

Bullshit.

If Hitler was on Testosterone, Reeves was as well. 

[Ex Coelis]

natural bodybuilding is a waste of resources

[DK II]

natural bodybuilding is a waste of resources

A waste of time it is, i wonder where i could be now if i had started to juice 5 years ago. 

[Ex Coelis]

naturals are living a riddle they can't possibly hope to solve

only once they start juicing does the answer reveal itself

a life of futility or one of unlimited potential - that's the true choice

[HugeAl]

I like Groink; I think he is essentially a good person and a sensitive soul. That said, I cannot believe the stupidity -- or is it fear of saying what they can see so obviously? -- of some people on here. Do you honestly believe he is a lifetime natural with 20 inch arms whilst not far off 50 yrs old??

Good gracious, some people are staggeringly stupid and ignorant. If this was a nobody other than forum name "Groink" then he'd be laughed off and destroyed on here posting his pictures, claiming natural status at a point in his life when his natural hormonal output is dwindling.

As for all these people helping him with his "first cycle" - LMAO. He has talked many times about his friends that take and deal steroids. Would he really be asking for roid-virgin advice here?  Groink has been posting about possibly doing his first cycle for six years.

HAHHAHAHAHA. It's a game, an internet act.

Wake up - or grow a pair and admit what you all know!!!

[dyslexic]

Pretty sure George played with Dballs 

Larry Scott did, all those guys did, Sergio Oliva, they took em by the handfulls. This guy was no different, except that back then it was considered "legal"

Oh, and he took a shit load of liver tabs and ate a damn lot of eggs.

[Ex Coelis]

bodybuilding is the drugs

[Tito24]

bodybuilding is the drugs

imagine the day markus ruhl gets of the drugs.

[Ex Coelis]

imagine the day markus ruhl gets of the drugs.

he would rather die

[Palpatine Q]

I like Groink; I think he is essentially a good person and a sensitive soul. That said, I cannot believe the stupidity -- or is it fear of saying what they can see so obviously? -- of some people on here. Do you honestly believe he is a lifetime natural with 20 inch arms whilst not far off 50 yrs old??

Good gracious, some people are staggeringly stupid and ignorant. If this was a nobody other than forum name "Groink" then he'd be laughed off and destroyed on here posting his pictures, claiming natural status at a point in his life when his natural hormonal output is dwindling.

As for all these people helping him with his "first cycle" - LMAO. He has talked many times about his friends that take and deal steroids. Would he really be asking for roid-virgin advice here?  Groink has been posting about possibly doing his first cycle for six years.

HAHHAHAHAHA. It's a game, an internet act.

Wake up - or grow a pair and admit what you all know!!!

Well thanks for that... I do consider myself a good Guy and that's cool to hear.
The reason I have been " threatening" to do gear year in and year out is because I'm human and I get curious and a little envious of guys  who are all yoked up and lean as hell and say " fuck it... I'm getting on some shit too"

Then inevitably the urge passes because truth is it really isn't ALL THAT important to me in the grand scheme of life, and I don't want it so bad as to start poking myself with needles.  Ill probably pass on the winny too....I don't know if I'm a pussy or what...but I never pull the trigger

[coltrane]

I'm totally the same Groink. 

I talked to an older long term user awhile back and asked his opinion on me going on.  He first told me that my build was good without.  Secondly, and more importantly he told me that if I was to go on, i'd never be able to get myself off.  You'll always wanna do more and be bigger. 

Think about the money spent.  The health risks.  The ppl talking about the huge zits on your back etc. 

Natural all the way here.

[gh15]

I'm totally the same Groink. 

I talked to an older long term user awhile back and asked his opinion on me going on.  He first told me that my build was good without.  Secondly, and more importantly he told me that if I was to go on, i'd never be able to get myself off.  You'll always wanna do more and be bigger. 

Think about the money spent.  The health risks.  The ppl talking about the huge zits on your back etc. 

Natural all the way here.

my friend,,,HORMONES ARE NTO ALWAYS TAKEN TO GET BIGGER,,IN MANY CASES THEY ARE TAKEN INORDER TO GET IN SHAPE AND LOSE WEIGHT WHILE KEEPING ALL THE LEAN MUSCLE ...WHICH IS IN A WAY GETTING BIGGER OFCOURSE..OR REMAINING BIG,,BUT FELLAS 200LB DO IT ,,FELAS 192 LBS DO IT ,,FELLAS 182 LBS DO IT! 

ITS NOT THE WEIGHT THAT DETERMINE THE QUALITY !  !  !

I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING THOUGH,,THERE WAS NEVER EVER NEVER A NATURAL WITH 19.5 INCH ARM AT 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND 10-12%
NEVER EVER ,,

LET ME MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER,,

THERE WAS NEVER IN THE ALL HISTORY OF EARTH ....A FELLA WALKING WITH 19 INCH ARMS THAT WAS 10-12% 5'10 TRULY NATURAL.

LET ME MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR TO YOU THAN THAT...

THERE WAS NEVER EVER A FELLA 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND WITH 18.5 INCH ARM NATURAL!! AT 10-12%


as i said before friends,,some individuals like to work their arms thats how they start in ymca,,they work arm some felt at times ,,some back at times...but arms is their main thing they do for quite few years ....THEY GET ARMS TO BE THEIR STRONG POINT BECAUSE GENETICALY IT IS + THE TRAINING OF THE ARM,,BUT AND LISTEN CLOSELY TO THIS! MOMENT THEY PASS 17.5 INCHES PUMPED AND FLEXED! AT 10% OR SUB 10% THEY ARE ON HORMONES ....

DIANABOL AND ANAPOLON FAVORTIE DRUGS OF THSOE FELLAS,,TESTOSTERONA AND NANDROLONE RIGHT UP THERE ...FAVORITE COMPOUNDS OF THOSE FELLAS,,THEY CARE ABOTU SIZE AND THATS ALL THEY SEE,,THEY LOOK GOOD WITH TANKS TOPS ON OR WITH CLOTHES BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR SIZE AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ARM SIZE DUE TO THE WAY THEY TRAINEED IN YMCA FOR YEARS AND TO THE WAY THEY TOOK THEIR DRUGS!


SO...AS I SAID ANY ONE ANYYYYYYYYYYYYY ONE THAT WALK AROUND WITH ARMS OVER 17.5-18 INCHES AT 10% IS ALREADY HORMONIZED,,,MANY OF THEM BEEN HORMONIZED FOR YEARS....SOME HAS JUST STARTED ...

YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRUE NATURAL WITH ARMS BIGGER THAN 17 INCHES THAT IS TRULY MID SINGLES BODYFAT...NEVER EVER!

5'10 17 INCH 8% THATS WHERE THE BUSS STOPS FOR TRUE NATURALS MY FRIENDS...NOW LOOK AT THE HEIGHT I WROTE 5'10....NOT 5'7 NOT 5'8 ...5 FUCKIN 10

6 FEET WILL GO UP TO 17.5 TRULY NATURALY IF PUMPED AND FLEXED,,TRULY GIFTED GENETIC AND IN SINGLE DIGIT BODYFAT

OVER 17.5 FOR NATURAL...NO MATTER HOW GOOD GENETIC IS WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN TO HUMAN BEING

gh15 approved

[gh15]

im going to go here out of my way and show you comparison pictures ,,let me find it

[Tito24]

maybe groink knows a secret arm exercise to break the natural boundaries?

[dogma5914]

I really can't believe that after this guy posts on here for over 5 years and has exposed countless people as not being natural that this topic comes up again and again. I've never understood the fascination with lying about one's natural status but whatever 

I think it's funny to see some of these photos and have people think they're natural when the guys is running around at 200+ lbs with capped off delts and 20" arms.

[devilsmile]

yeah PEACE OF CAKE having that kind of physique naturally  

If it would be "so easy"  we would see so many people walking like that

shut the fuck up allready!

[gh15]

you know who this fella is right? ,,i think he is on bannisland now day if nto mistekn someone said here he was,,

in any case this isi mr okami,,he is a bodybuildr,,nwo take a close look at his arm....who does this arm remind you ? lets see does it rremind you ummmm dj arm? ok
ummmm does it remind you matt c arm? okkkkk
ummmm does it maybe remind you simply huge arm? okkk

i will tell you who it remind you ...it remind you groink! arm


okamai was swimming in hormones for many years,,still is,,okami ...this is the look ofo fellas who are gifted in the arm geneti size thats how they blow up on hormones...usualy testosterona and dianabolona....it doesnt mean their other bodyparts are like that because if you notice his chest is weak...and his delts are smaller than they should be,,,so fella like stavio my pupil win against him..but! but! his arm is strong point ,,most likley his quad too...and they blow up well on hormones ofcourse they shrink an inch when go down to mid singles but still will be 18 inches and not 17 inches...


the hormonized lifter has a typical look to skin ,,to face,, to body in general ,,typical oily scent even if take shower 3 times a day ,,even if on tablets! lol the typical hormone user has specific fulness and volumization that can be seen even if flat as puncake due to use of ae and ai...


gh15 approved

[Palpatine Q]

http://[flash=200,200][/flash]

you know who this fella is right? ,,i think he is on bannisland now day if nto mistekn someone said here he was,,

in any case this isi mr okami,,he is a bodybuildr,,nwo take a close look at his arm....who does this arm remind you ? lets see does it rremind you ummmm dj arm? ok
ummmm does it remind you matt c arm? okkkkk
ummmm does it maybe remind you simply huge arm? okkk

i will tell you who it remind you ...it remind you groink! arm


okamai was swimming in hormones for many years,,still is,,okami ...this is the look ofo fellas who are gifted in the arm geneti size thats how they blow up on hormones...usualy testosterona and dianabolona....it doesnt mean their other bodyparts are like that because if you notice his chest is weak...and his delts are smaller than they should be,,,so fella like stavio my pupil win against him..but! but! his arm is strong point ,,most likley his quad too...and they blow up well on hormones ofcourse they shrink an inch when go down to mid singles but still will be 18 inches and not 17 inches...


the hormonized lifter has a typical look to skin ,,to face,, to body in general ,,typical oily scent even if take shower 3 times a day ,,even if on tablets! lol the typical hormone user has specific fulness and volumization that can be seen even if flat as puncake due to use of ae and ai...


gh15 approved

     
 


No disrespect G... but my arms crush Okamis.      Unless he really blew them up...his arms weren't his strong point if I remember correctly....that's either a really good shot or he improved them a lot...he was always saying he wasn't happy with his arm development
   

[devilsmile]

the point is even if  he is natural, he has been busting his ass 20-30 years, stop saying it's "easy"

even my little bod has required little work, ya know... lol, easy to be 20lbs heavyer of pure muscle 

[dyslexic]

my friend,,,HORMONES ARE NTO ALWAYS TAKEN TO GET BIGGER,,IN MANY CASES THEY ARE TAKEN INORDER TO GET IN SHAPE AND LOSE WEIGHT WHILE KEEPING ALL THE LEAN MUSCLE ...WHICH IS IN A WAY GETTING BIGGER OFCOURSE..OR REMAINING BIG,,BUT FELLAS 200LB DO IT ,,FELAS 192 LBS DO IT ,,FELLAS 182 LBS DO IT! 

ITS NOT THE WEIGHT THAT DETERMINE THE QUALITY !  !  !

I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING THOUGH,,THERE WAS NEVER EVER NEVER A NATURAL WITH 19.5 INCH ARM AT 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND 10-12%
NEVER EVER ,,

LET ME MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER,,

THERE WAS NEVER IN THE ALL HISTORY OF EARTH ....A FELLA WALKING WITH 19 INCH ARMS THAT WAS 10-12% 5'10 TRULY NATURAL.

LET ME MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR TO YOU THAN THAT...

THERE WAS NEVER EVER A FELLA 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND WITH 18.5 INCH ARM NATURAL!! AT 10-12%


as i said before friends,,some individuals like to work their arms thats how they start in ymca,,they work arm some felt at times ,,some back at times...but arms is their main thing they do for quite few years ....THEY GET ARMS TO BE THEIR STRONG POINT BECAUSE GENETICALY IT IS + THE TRAINING OF THE ARM,,BUT AND LISTEN CLOSELY TO THIS! MOMENT THEY PASS 17.5 INCHES PUMPED AND FLEXED! AT 10% OR SUB 10% THEY ARE ON HORMONES ....

DIANABOL AND ANAPOLON FAVORTIE DRUGS OF THSOE FELLAS,,TESTOSTERONA AND NANDROLONE RIGHT UP THERE ...FAVORITE COMPOUNDS OF THOSE FELLAS,,THEY CARE ABOTU SIZE AND THATS ALL THEY SEE,,THEY LOOK GOOD WITH TANKS TOPS ON OR WITH CLOTHES BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR SIZE AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ARM SIZE DUE TO THE WAY THEY TRAINEED IN YMCA FOR YEARS AND TO THE WAY THEY TOOK THEIR DRUGS!


SO...AS I SAID ANY ONE ANYYYYYYYYYYYYY ONE THAT WALK AROUND WITH ARMS OVER 17.5-18 INCHES AT 10% IS ALREADY HORMONIZED,,,MANY OF THEM BEEN HORMONIZED FOR YEARS....SOME HAS JUST STARTED ...

YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRUE NATURAL WITH ARMS BIGGER THAN 17 INCHES THAT IS TRULY MID SINGLES BODYFAT...NEVER EVER!

5'10 17 INCH 8% THATS WHERE THE BUSS STOPS FOR TRUE NATURALS MY FRIENDS...NOW LOOK AT THE HEIGHT I WROTE 5'10....NOT 5'7 NOT 5'8 ...5 FUCKIN 10

6 FEET WILL GO UP TO 17.5 TRULY NATURALY IF PUMPED AND FLEXED,,TRULY GIFTED GENETIC AND IN SINGLE DIGIT BODYFAT

OVER 17.5 FOR NATURAL...NO MATTER HOW GOOD GENETIC IS WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN TO HUMAN BEING

gh15 approved

I don't know where you get it, but I too have been in this 'business' a looong fucking time and you nailed it. I have to agree 100% - not to mention the fact that I have my own personal experience. 5'6" at 190 w/ BF @ 11% - arms 17" cold. That was the best I could do at that level of bodyfat. That still is nothing to shake a stick at.

A little dude like me with 17" arms looks above average in any crowd, because not only do you have big arms, but you also have cuts and vascularity across forearms and biceps. Add a chest that actually sticks out past your belly, and you are looking decent.

In order for me to get my arms to 18" cold, I had to be on something. My bodyfat also dropped accordingly.

It's sad, but true.

You can always do the Synthol (which I never will or would) or you can "site-inject"  but unless you stick a horse pin all the way in (and I mean ALL THE WAY )- beyond what any he-man thinks he can handle, unless you do that, your arm looks as stupid as Valvolinos or any of the other oil fruity pebbles.


18" arms on a man 5'6 at 9 - 10% is guaranteed "assisted"

[dyslexic]

LOL!!!!  Fuckin hilarious.  I imagine this has already happened a few times already because of your posts here.

Lol. They would be like "WTFONA?"

[no one]

you can always count on gh15 to bring the truth- and the pain.

keep up the good work, sir.

[BB]

That's what a big natural looks like, Steve Stanko won the Mr. A and Mr. Universe.

Here was another Mr. A winner, Alan Stephans from the 40's -

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and another-

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Clarence Ross-


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Thanks to MuscleMemory.com

Notice differences in hardness and muscularity? Seriously, if you've been in this hobby for any length of time and can't tell the naturals from the users, you're delusional. It should be snap of your fingers, instantaneous:).