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« Reply #325 on: May 03, 2011, 02:37:02 AM »
The leftists who still want gitmo closed need to stfu.  I never had an issue w gitmo and or torture for that matter.  Considering the intel originated from waterboarding will you leftists be satisfied knowing that but for these techniques - we never would have gotten bin laden? 
I want GITMO closed. Torture is wrong. And I won't shut up.

Seriously, why do you tell people to shut up on here?

It really drives me to write more.
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« Reply #326 on: May 03, 2011, 03:08:18 AM »
Bin Laden is dead; meanwhile food and energy prices continues to go up and real unemployment hovers at 23%. Bin Laden is dead.
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« Reply #327 on: May 03, 2011, 03:23:44 AM »
Bin Laden is dead; meanwhile food and energy prices continues to go up and real unemployment hovers at 23%. Bin Laden is dead.
Are you in England?

I went to London in early March and stayed about a week.

It was fun but very expensive. Like Hong Kong expensive.
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« Reply #328 on: May 03, 2011, 03:28:12 AM »
Are you in England?

I went to London in early March and stayed about a week.

It was fun but very expensive. Like Hong Kong expensive.

I live in London, yes. It is insanely expensive. The equivalent of $25 a pop for the cinema, insane.

London makes NYC cheap. HK is expensive yes, London even more so. Don't get me started on how much money public transportation costs for the most abominable service in the world.

You still on the Mainlaind or in HK or Taiwan now?
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« Reply #329 on: May 03, 2011, 03:43:14 AM »
I want GITMO closed. Torture is wrong. And I won't shut up.

Seriously, why do you tell people to shut up on here?

It really drives me to write more.

 :'( boo hoo hoo torture is wrong. Racism is wrong! Being mean is wrong! Shut the fuck up you panzi left wing apologist douche.

Beheading innocent people and soldiers on tape is also wrong, terrorism is wrong, suicide bombings are wrong, apologizing for Islamic fanatics is wrong, playing by a different set of rules than the animals trying to kill Western civilization is wrong, Pelosi is wrong and your wrong.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #330 on: May 03, 2011, 03:46:08 AM »
There are plenty of ways to get information from someone without inflicting pain.

Reading your stupidity provides useless information that inflicts mental pain and anguish on those with an iq above 12. That is a form of torture. Therefore, you should stop participating in this thread unless you're a hypocrite. 

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« Reply #331 on: May 03, 2011, 03:54:44 AM »
Bin Laden is dead; meanwhile food and energy prices continues to go up and real unemployment hovers at 23%. Bin Laden is dead.
It can all be solved by giving incentives for not having children. All of it.

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« Reply #332 on: May 03, 2011, 03:58:02 AM »
LOL

Did I say anything about torture?  Can you torture a dead body?    ::)
What do you want with a dead body?  Its dead. There is nothing more to do.

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« Reply #333 on: May 03, 2011, 05:15:00 AM »
It can all be solved by giving incentives for not having children. All of it.

Uh?  Care to explain? 

Aren't you a welfare state advocate?  How can you support a welfare state when people are not having children and the state is running out of new workers to tax in order to pay for handouts?

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« Reply #334 on: May 03, 2011, 05:17:49 AM »
Uh?  Care to explain? 

Aren't you a welfare state advocate?  How can you support a welfare state when people are not having children and the state is running out of new workers to tax in order to pay for handouts?

Sell carbon credits, wiccan books, legalize pot, etc.   

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« Reply #335 on: May 03, 2011, 05:20:41 AM »
What do you want with a dead body?  Its dead. There is nothing more to do.

You say there is nothing more to do with Osama's dead body, but Obama disagrees with you.  Obama had plenty more to do with Osama's dead body:


"The body was washed and placed in a white sheet. A military official read prepared remarks, which were then translated into Arabic by a native speaker, The body of Osama bin Laden was placed on a flat board, which was then tipped up, and allowed to slide into the sea,"

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.burial.at.sea/index.html?iref=allsearch

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« Reply #336 on: May 03, 2011, 05:21:51 AM »
Bin Laden skull blown apart, official says
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Posted on 05/03/2011 5:06:05 AM PDT

Left eye and the bullet blew away part of his skull, a U.S. official says. He was also shot in the chest.

The precision kill shot was delivered by a member of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six during a pre-dawn raid Monday on bin Laden's hideout in Pakistan.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

Photos of bin Laden's injuries were transmitted to Washington as proof that the mission was a success.

The administration is still weighing whether to release photos of bin Laden's corpse and video of his swift burial at sea. Officials were reluctant to inflame Islamic sentiment by showing graphic images of the body. But they were also eager to address the mythology already building in Pakistan and beyond that bin Laden was somehow still alive.

The only information about what occurred inside the compound has come from American officials, much of it provided under condition of anonymity.


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« Reply #337 on: May 03, 2011, 05:27:25 AM »
Bin Laden skull blown apart, official says
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Posted on 05/03/2011 5:06:05 AM PDT

The administration is still weighing whether to release photos of bin Laden's corpse and video of his swift burial at sea. Officials were reluctant to inflame Islamic sentiment by showing graphic images of the body. But they were also eager to address the mythology already building in Pakistan and beyond that bin Laden was somehow still alive.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/03/501364/main20059222.shtml#ixzz1LI94H2ge



There you go, what have I been saying all along?  They need to show the world proof. 

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« Reply #338 on: May 03, 2011, 05:46:57 AM »
I live in London, yes. It is insanely expensive. The equivalent of $25 a pop for the cinema, insane.

London makes NYC cheap. HK is expensive yes, London even more so. Don't get me started on how much money public transportation costs for the most abominable service in the world.

You still on the Mainlaind or in HK or Taiwan now?
I'm in the US now.

Just a few summer classes to go on my BA. Then moving back to China.
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« Reply #339 on: May 03, 2011, 06:02:53 AM »
Osama Bin Laden Sea Burial Video May Be Released
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May 2, 2011


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Video of Osama bin Laden's dead body being dropped into the North Arabian Sea from the USS Carl Vinson early this morning could be made public, according to officials.

The 40-minute ceremony, and perhaps photos of his corpse, will be released "cautiously," according to The Associated Press, citing two Pentagon officials.

The world's most notorious terrorist did not receive a customary Islamic burial as he was slipped into the North Arabian Sea today when no others countries would accept his body, according to experts in Muslim funeral rites.

"Dumping the body into the sea is not part of any Islamic ritual," said Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and a physician of internal medicine. "Koranic scripture says God created him and he must return to the earth."

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 U.S. officials told ABC News that the last thing they wanted was to create a burial place which could become a terrorist shrine. To avoid that, bin Laden was buried at sea.

Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan said earlier today that the administration would likely release an image of bin Laden's body. He added that they would do so carefully as, "We don't want to do anything to compromise our ability to be successful the next time we get one of these guys and take him off the battlefield," he said.

Complete coverage of the death of bin Laden.

The corpse was taken to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, officials told ABC News. The ceremony, done according to Islamic law, began about 1:10 a.m. today EST and lasted about 45 minutes, according to officials.

Traditional washing of the body was followed by wrapping in white sheets. A military officer read religious remarks that were translated by a native Arabic speaker, then bin Laden was eased into the sea.

Officials said no other alternatives were available.

"We are ensuring that it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition," an administration official said. "This is something that we take very seriously. And so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner."

It is rare, but when a body must be buried at sea, there are rules, according to Al Islam online.

The body should be lowered into the water, "in a vessel of clay or a weight tied to its feet," and as far as possible, it should "not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by sea predators."

Tradition dictates that the body is washed by Muslim men and a funeral prayer is said, then it is buried as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours of death. The body is wrapped in a shroud of white cloth and the face is moved toward Mecca. The remains are always buried in the earth.

Similar to the orthodox Jewish tradition, bodies cannot be embalmed or in any way preserved and the coffin, if used, must be wooden.

Cremation is prohibited, because it is considered disrespectful, and unless a person died in an accident at sea, they would never be thrown in the water, according to Dr. Muzamil Siddiqi, chairman of the Fiqh Council of North America and a scholar on the legal systems of Islam.

"They don't even have a casket -- the body is in the ground," he said. "After a person dies, the body is treated like any other human being. We don't do a retaliation on the dead body."

Scholars say that even those who are criminals and murderers are given the Islamic rite of burial.

"Even those who are executed have a proper burial given to them," Siddiqi said. "It is strictly forbade any mutilation -- even of the enemy's body."

God reckons with a person's deeds in the afterlife on judgment day, he said.

"This is not a normal procedure," Siddiqi said. "But if scholars in Pakistan said this is OK, it's OK."

Sources told ABC News that President Obama authorized the bombing of a compound outside Islamabad in Pakistan last March, but worried about collateral damage and wanted evidence of bin Laden's body and DNA evidence.

No photos have been released.

Instead, he authorized a daring operation for ground troops to enter the compound low to the ground and undetected. It was scheduled for Friday afternoon, but because of weather, was postponed until Sunday.

Critics Say Bin Laden Didn't Deserve Rites
Khalid Latif, chaplain at New York University and director of its Islamic Center, said Islamic law is "flexible" in how it handles burial, especially in this case. The question would be not "how to bury a body, but how Osama bin Laden's body would be buried."

He said the government's approach was reasonable -- letting bin Laden's body, "wash back and forth in the sea."

"If we think about burying him in the ground, there are multiple scenarios," he said. "The problem is people don't want him buried near them or their loved ones. Giving him a place on land would create an opportunity for many individuals to unleash and lash out their rage against him. He made lives terrible for so many of us."

Officials were also worried that having a burial site might become a place where his sympathizers would "glorify" his acts, according to Latif.

"There are people who believe that this man was someone to look up to, even though he distorted our teachings and grossly misinterpreted Islam," he said.

Some critics say the White House was trying to play the "respect-for-Islam" card. But American Islamic leader Jasser said Osama bin Laden is not worthy of that respect.

"As one who is devoted to Islam and its ideology, it makes me nauseated and sick that someone would make sure he had a religious rite given to a man like this because he was an evil barbarian who declared war against our nation," Jasser said.

ABC News' Jake Tapper and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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« Reply #340 on: May 03, 2011, 06:15:55 AM »
Still waiting....do they have to do a few more takes and editing?

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« Reply #341 on: May 03, 2011, 06:17:40 AM »
The body should be lowered into the water, "in a vessel of clay or a weight tied to its feet," and as far as possible, it should "not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by sea predators."


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« Reply #342 on: May 03, 2011, 06:19:15 AM »
Still waiting....do they have to do a few more takes and editing?
Don`t be one of THOSE people.  Seriously.  By your rationale, Ronald Reagan may still be alive since you didn`t get to see his body either.

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« Reply #343 on: May 03, 2011, 06:40:28 AM »
Critics Say Bin Laden Didn't Deserve Rites

Khalid Latif, chaplain at New York University and director of its Islamic Center, said Islamic law is "flexible" in how it handles burial, especially in this case. The question would be not "how to bury a body, but how Osama bin Laden's body would be buried."

He said the government's approach was reasonable -- letting bin Laden's body, "wash back and forth in the sea."

"If we think about burying him in the ground, there are multiple scenarios," he said. "The problem is people don't want him buried near them or their loved ones. Giving him a place on land would create an opportunity for many individuals to unleash and lash out their rage against him. He made lives terrible for so many of us."

Officials were also worried that having a burial site might become a place where his sympathizers would "glorify" his acts, according to Latif.

"There are people who believe that this man was someone to look up to, even though he distorted our teachings and grossly misinterpreted Islam," he said.

Some critics say the White House was trying to play the "respect-for-Islam" card. But American Islamic leader Jasser said Osama bin Laden is not worthy of that respect.

"As one who is devoted to Islam and its ideology, it makes me nauseated and sick that someone would make sure he had a religious rite given to a man like this because he was an evil barbarian who declared war against our nation," Jasser said.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/osama-bin-laden-sea-burial-video-released/story?id=13508657&singlePage=true

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« Reply #344 on: May 03, 2011, 06:42:39 AM »
"As one who is devoted to Islam and its ideology, it makes me nauseated and sick that someone would make sure he had a religious rite given to a man like this because he was an evil barbarian who declared war against our nation," Jasser said.



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« Reply #345 on: May 03, 2011, 06:46:48 AM »
"As one who is devoted to Islam and its ideology, it makes me nauseated and sick that someone would make sure he had a religious rite given to a man like this because he was an evil barbarian who declared war against our nation," Jasser said.



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hey, i would be okay with the bacon bit treatment.

however, if it means one more bad guy will put on a vest and blow up US soldiers... then I'm okay with not poking that hornets nest with a stick when there's nothing to gain but immature smugness.

obama went out of his way to show we respect their religion.

While I don't subscribe to that belief system, nor care one shit about OBL, I do appreciate any efforts to avoid further unnecessary instigation of those religious zealouts.  If you polled our troops on the streets of the cities - and asked them if they'd like to see muslims extremists further prodded - I'm betting they'd say no.

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« Reply #346 on: May 03, 2011, 06:50:27 AM »
Tight security at Obama granny's Kenya home

http://www.africareview.com/News/Tight+security+at+Obama+grannys+home/-/979180/1154986/-/se6h76/-/



 Picture of the front covers of newspapers with news of the death of Osama bin Laden, at a newsstand in Rio de Janeiro on May 2, 2011. Security has been beefed up at the home of US President Barack Obama's grandmother in western Kenya for fear of terrorist attack. AFP | AFRICA REVIEW |

By ERIC OLOO in Siaya, Kenya  (email the author)

Security has been heightened at the Kogelo rural home of the grandmother of US President Barack Obama following the killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

More police officers have been deployed to man Mama Sarah Obama's in homestead western Kenya following fears of a terrorist attack in retaliation for the killing of Osama by US special forces.

According to the local Siaya police boss Stephen Cheteka, they decided to beef-up security for the relatives of the US President after receiving threats of a planned terrorist attack three days ago.

“We received reports of plans to attack the home of Mama Sarah Obama three days ago and we immediately put in place adequate security measures,” Mr Cheteka said.

The police boss added that the home would be under round-the-clock surveillance, adding that all visitors would be subjected to a thorough screening.

He, however, assured the public that there was no cause for alarm as the family of Mama Sarah Obama had been well informed of the security measures.

Local leaders, led by former Siaya Mayor Obiero Otare, expressed fears that the Kogelo home of the Obama granny could be the target of terrorist attack, especially now that reports indicated that terrorists had penetrated into Kenyan territory.

“Security must be beefed up at the home and the surrounding environs lest we become the next target of terrorists,” observed Mlr Otare.

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« Reply #347 on: May 03, 2011, 06:55:06 AM »
Osama bin Laden raid yields trove of computer data
By MIKE ALLEN | 5/2/11 7:51 PM EDT



The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO.

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“They cleaned it out,” one official said. “Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

U.S. officials are about to find out. The material is being examined at a secret location in Afghanistan.

“Hundreds of people are going through it now,” an official said, adding that intelligence operatives back in Washington are very excited to find out what they have.

“It’s going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable,” the official said.

Savoring the military and intelligence triumph, officials late Monday described new details about how the mission unfolded:

The SEALs took fire on their way to the compound’s third floor, where bin Laden had been sleeping, officials said. The encounter with bin Laden lasted only seconds, and ended with a kill shot to his face.

The team’s photos of bin Laden are gruesome, complicating officials’ deliberations about whether to release them.

Officials also have images of bin Laden in a white shroud before his burial at sea.

The raid was not supposed to last more than 30 minutes. The forces finished in 38 minutes, even though they lost one of their choppers and had to go to a back-up plan.

Four helicopters were used in the raid. Two went in, and two were in reserve.

Hovering above the compound on the way in, one of the choppers developed a mechanical problem that caused it to lose lift, officials said. The pilot made a controlled landing, according to the officials. When he couldn’t get the bird airborne again, the SEALs blew it up and left in one of the reserves.

Officials described the reaction of the special operators when they were told a number of weeks ago that they had been chosen to train for the mission.

“They were told, ‘We think we found Osama bin Laden, and your job is to kill him,’” an official recalled.

The SEALs started to cheer.

Radioing a commander on Sunday, the team reported the capture with a pre-arranged signal: “Geronimo!”



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54151.html#ixzz1LIUsRWv5


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« Reply #348 on: May 03, 2011, 07:08:42 AM »
Jackpot: U.S. finds huge amount of data on Bin Laden’s computers (What's on that hard drive?)
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The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO…

“Hundreds of people are going through it now,” an official said, adding that intelligence operatives back in Washington are very excited to find out what they have.

“It’s going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable,” the official said.

Follow the link for tantalizing details about how the SEALs encountered Bin Laden in the compound and their reaction when they were told what the mission was. Who’s next on the hit list once we’re done analyzing the data? You guessed it:

Does bin Laden’s demise mean the death of al-Qaeda? CIA analysts won’t go that far. But they have concluded that the operation “will accelerate its demise,” and that the battered organization is now at a “tipping point” that could lead to collapse.

The hidden trophy of Sunday’s raid: The JSOC team captured intelligence materials from the compound that might reveal the location of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the organization’s new commander. “That’s where we’re going next,” says one U.S. official involved in planning the operation.

So at last, after fully a decade of wondering, we’ll have an answer to the question I asked in this post: Did Bin Laden have an actual job with Al Qaeda anymore or was he basically just being cc’d on messages and offering “spiritual encouragement”? Stories have popped up on the wires from time to time alleging that he’s still giving battlefield orders. Some that we’ve blogged were murky yet spectacular, like this one from Newsweek in 2007 alleging a power struggle between OBL and Zawahiri. More recently, in the fall of last year, U.S. officials claimed that Bin Laden had dispatched his couriers with instructions for a Mumbai-style attack in Europe or America. That report emerged in October — which we now know was after U.S. intelligence had already zeroed in on him in his Abbottabad compound. Wouldn’t surprise me if the hard drives confirm their suspicions.

According to Dianne Feinstein, he might have been living at the compound for the past six years. Six years. And somehow, supposedly, nobody knew.

Update: Was it even longer than six years? Was he there all along?

U.S. officials say detainees held at Guantanamo helped lead them to the courier.

In one early clue, according to a secret Pentagon cable made public by Wikileaks, senior Al Qaeda commander Abu al Libi told interrogators he became “the official messenger” for bin Laden and for a year in 2003 “moved his family to Abbottabad, Pakistan” — the city near Islamabad where bin Laden was killed Sunday.

Update: You know, I’m actually less interested in who Osama was talking to within Al Qaeda than who he was talking to within Pakistani intelligence. Let the probe begin:

Obama administration officials said Monday they would probe whether Pakistani authorities helped al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden stay in hiding for years, one day after he was killed by U.S. special forces at an outsize mansion complex located in the same city as Pakistan’s top military academy…

He didn’t specify which agencies of Pakistan’s government would be investigated. But privately, administration officials said the U.S. would have to probe for the possible involvement of Pakistan’s spy service and the military. “There are only so many agencies in the government that might have been involved,” said an official…

[An] ISI official acknowledged that Pakistanis are embarrassed by the raid. “It’s unfortunate, but we did not know about the people resident in that compound,” said the official. “That is a negative fallout that we have to live with.”


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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #349 on: May 03, 2011, 07:10:16 AM »
Don`t be one of THOSE people.  Seriously.  By your rationale, Ronald Reagan may still be alive since you didn`t get to see his body either.



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