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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #425 on: May 04, 2011, 11:43:23 AM »
You can deny Jesus' deity if you want to, but scholars know that a guy named Jesus who was called The Christ did exist in the 1st century.

A regular guy who was nothing special?  A guy who started the largest and most influential faith, Christianity, in the history of the world?  Christianity, the Eastern faith that shaped Western culture? 

He didn't create Christianity... Other people did.

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« Reply #426 on: May 04, 2011, 11:44:08 AM »
He didn't create Christianity... Other people did.

Like who?  Show us the evidence, please!

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« Reply #427 on: May 04, 2011, 11:47:30 AM »
1.  Torture =  fuck you if you dont like it.  

2.  EIT -= FUCK YOU if you dont like it.  

3.  Navy SEALS - Speechless at the admiration i have for them.  

4.  Bin Laden - I wish he would have suffered a lot more.  

5.  Obama - Good job.  Stop the socialist crap domestically and you are good to go.  

6.  Bush - I hated a lot of shit you did - but good job on this.

7.  Pelosi and the far left - fuck you and die.   you are are communist traitors and will always be,  

    

 

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« Reply #428 on: May 04, 2011, 11:49:44 AM »
Like who?  Show us the evidence, please!

I would say it was the Apostles who went around preaching about him that started it... That's just me.

I can't start a faith in myself... Other people have to believe in me and that starts a faith.

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« Reply #429 on: May 04, 2011, 11:51:12 AM »
I would say it was the Apostles who went around preaching about him that started it... That's just me.

I can't start a faith in myself... Other people have to believe in me and that starts a faith.

I see you love to spread CT just like 240.    :)

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« Reply #430 on: May 04, 2011, 11:52:50 AM »
I see you love to spread CT just like 240.    :)

How is that a CT?

That makes no sense... You're saying that Jesus started the belief that he died and was risen in and of himself?

It was Apostles and people saying he did what he did that started the faith.

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« Reply #431 on: May 04, 2011, 11:57:32 AM »
How is that a CT?

That makes no sense... You're saying that Jesus started the belief that he died and was risen in and of himself?

It was Apostles and people saying he did what he did that started the faith.


You said earlier that you believe Socrates did exist, even though he wrote nothing, because his one student Plato wrote about him.

But you claim Jesus is a myth, even though his many students wrote about him.

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« Reply #432 on: May 04, 2011, 11:59:53 AM »

You said earlier that you believe Socrates did exist, even though he wrote nothing, because his one student Plato wrote about him.

But you claim Jesus is a myth, even though his many students wrote about him.

I said Plato wrote about him while Socrates was still alive... but what's that got to do with who started Christianity?

This is a completely different subject matter than did he even exist or not... Obviously Christianity exists... I'm saying the Apostles and the people who claim they saw what they saw started it as opposed to this Jesus cat himself (if he even existed).

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« Reply #433 on: May 04, 2011, 12:01:16 PM »
The only thing Obama did wrong is not bring the body back the NYC for us to piss on.   

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« Reply #434 on: May 04, 2011, 12:06:36 PM »
I said Plato wrote about him while Socrates was still alive... but what's that got to do with who started Christianity?

This is a completely different subject matter than did he even exist or not... Obviously Christianity exists... I'm saying the Apostles and the people who claim they saw what they saw started it as opposed to this Jesus cat himself (if he even existed).

Are you sure that Plato wrote about Socrates before Socrates' death?

Your double standards are comical.  You could apply lot of the stuff you've said about Bin Laden's death, Socrates, etc. to a historical Jesus, but you won't.   You are conveniently inconsistent.

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« Reply #435 on: May 04, 2011, 12:11:15 PM »
Are you sure that Plato wrote about Socrates before Socrates' death?

Your double standards are comical.  You could apply lot of the stuff you've said about Bin Laden's death, Socrates, etc. to a historical Jesus, but you won't.   You are conveniently inconsistent.

That's what is stated... I also admitted that Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato could all be Greek myth... Did you miss that?

I also stated that I am believing what the US government is telling me here and now until the proof comes out... which it will and we will have actual proof one way or the other.

I see no inconsistency there... You still haven't responded to my statement about who started Christianity... You flipped back to the Socrates / Jesus existence tip.

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« Reply #436 on: May 04, 2011, 12:13:02 PM »
I'm blasting Slayer/Megadeth/anthrax/PE/Beasties/3rd Bass etc in joy of OBL being dead.


Is that wrong?   

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« Reply #437 on: May 04, 2011, 12:41:58 PM »
That's what is stated... I also admitted that Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato could all be Greek myth... Did you miss that?

I also stated that I am believing what the US government is telling me here and now until the proof comes out... which it will and we will have actual proof one way or the other.

I see no inconsistency there... You still haven't responded to my statement about who started Christianity... You flipped back to the Socrates / Jesus existence tip.


That's what is stated where?  By whom?

I didn't flip back to anything.  My point is that you don't deny the existence of a historical Socrates because his student Plato wrote about him.

Likewise, Christianity was started by Jesus Christ.  He picked his students, he thought them by word and by example.  His students wrote about all this, but it all started with Jesus Christ.

You are being inconsistent:

No... I just take things at face value until they are proven otherwise.

The absence of evidence, is not the evidence of absence.

There is also no direct people to have written about Jesus that wrote anything when he was supposedly alive... Everyone wrote everything after he was "dead" already.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #438 on: May 04, 2011, 12:46:05 PM »
Ok. If you say so.

I will concede that you like arguing a lot more than I do.

So much for this thread.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #439 on: May 04, 2011, 12:58:18 PM »
I'm blasting Slayer/Megadeth/anthrax/PE/Beasties/3rd Bass etc in joy of OBL being dead.


Is that wrong?   
3rd Bass?


Are you giving Bin Laden the 'gas face'?
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« Reply #440 on: May 04, 2011, 01:00:10 PM »
3rd Bass?


Are you giving Bin Laden the 'gas face'?

Definately.   I love 3rd Bass.    Makes Eminmem look like dog shit.   

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #441 on: May 04, 2011, 02:06:39 PM »
..Photos show three dead men at bin Laden raid house

By Adrees Latif | Reuters – 1 hour 15 minutes ago




...The grounds of the compound are seen after U.S. Navy SEAL commandos killed al Qaeda …

..Warning: The following images contain graphic content
....ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Photographs acquired by Reuters and taken about an hour after the U.S. assault on Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan show three dead men lying in pools of blood, but no weapons.

The photos, taken by a Pakistani security official who entered the compound after the early morning raid on Monday, show two men dressed in traditional Pakistani garb and one in a t-shirt, with blood streaming from their ears, noses and mouths.

The official, who wished to remain anonymous, sold the pictures to Reuters.

None of the men looked like bin Laden. President Barack Obama decided not to release photos of his body because it could have incited violence and used as an al Qaeda propaganda tool, the White House said on Wednesday.

Based on the time-stamps on the pictures, the earliest one was dated May 2, 2:30 a.m., approximately an hour after the completion of the raid in which bin Laden was killed.

Other photos, taken hours later at between 5:21 a.m. and 6:43 a.m. show the outside of the trash-strewn compound and the wreckage of the helicopter the United States abandoned. The tail assembly is unusual, and could indicate some kind of previously unknown stealth capability.

Reuters is confident of the authenticity of the purchased images because details in the photos appear to show a wrecked helicopter from the assault, matching details from photos taken independently on Monday.

U.S. forces lost a helicopter in the raid due to a mechanical problem and later destroyed it.

The pictures are also taken in sequence and are all the same size in pixels, indicating they have not been tampered with. The time and date in the photos as recorded in the digital file's metadata match lighting conditions for the area as well as the time and date imprinted on the image itself.

The close-cropped pictures do not show any weapons on the dead men, but the photos are taken in medium close-up and often crop out the men's hands and arms.

One photo shows a computer cable and what looks like a child's plastic green and orange water pistol lying under the right shoulder of one of the dead men. A large pool of blood has formed under his head.

A second shows another man with a streak of blood running from his nose across his right cheek and a large band of blood across his chest.

A third man, in a T-shirt, is on his back in a large pool of blood which appears to be from a head wound.

U.S. acknowledgment on Tuesday that bin Laden was unarmed when shot dead had raised accusations Washington had violated international law. The exact circumstances of his death remained unclear and could yet fuel controversy, especially in the Muslim world.

Pakistan faced national embarrassment, a leading Islamabad newspaper said, in explaining how the world's most-wanted man was able to live for years in the military garrison town of Abbottabad, just north of the capital.

Pakistan blamed worldwide intelligence lapses for a failure to detect bin Laden, while Washington worked to establish whether its ally had sheltered the al Qaeda leader, which Islamabad vehemently denies.

(Writing by Chris Allbritton; Editing by Jon Boyle)
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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #442 on: May 04, 2011, 02:54:39 PM »
Sen. Scott Brown on Osama bin Laden; attack ads
FOX 25 Morning News
Updated: Wednesday, 04 May 2011, 3:43 PM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 04 May 2011, 10:20 AM EDT

 
Gene
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(FOX 25 / MyFoxBoston.com) - UPDATE: Scott Brown tells FOX25 - "The photo that I saw and that a lot of other people saw is not authentic."

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U.S. Sen. Scott Brown is heading to Afghanistan for his annual training as a member of the Massachusetts Army National Guard.

Brown, who serves as a lieutenant colonel, says he requested to conduct his training overseas in keeping with the tradition of other lawmakers.

Meanwhile, the senator is also under attack from the league of women voters.

Senator Brown recently joined the FOX 25 Morning News from Washington D.C. to talk about this latest news and more, including Osama bin Laden.



Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/morning/sen-scott-brown-on-attack-ad-bin-laden-20110504#ixzz1LQHgiA6s

 

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« Reply #443 on: May 04, 2011, 03:11:40 PM »
NBC's 'Today' Frets Celebrations After bin Laden's Death Were 'Very Disturbing' to Children
newsbusters.org ^ | May 04, 2011 | 17:32 | Kyle Drennen




On NBC's Today on Wednesday, co-host Matt Lauer worried about Americans celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden: "...your children are going to see, and have already seen, people in the streets celebrating about the death of someone and that's a contradictory image for them." Today contributor and psychiatrist Gail Saltz replied: "Absolutely, very disturbing for them."


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« Reply #444 on: May 04, 2011, 03:12:35 PM »
NBC's 'Today' Frets Celebrations After bin Laden's Death Were 'Very Disturbing' to Children
newsbusters.org ^ | May 04, 2011 | 17:32 | Kyle Drennen




On NBC's Today on Wednesday, co-host Matt Lauer worried about Americans celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden: "...your children are going to see, and have already seen, people in the streets celebrating about the death of someone and that's a contradictory image for them." Today contributor and psychiatrist Gail Saltz replied: "Absolutely, very disturbing for them."


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Fuck him too. No wonder people watch Fox News.

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« Reply #445 on: May 04, 2011, 03:52:48 PM »
Staging of Obama photo taken after TV announcement of bin Laden's death.
REUTERS vis Drudge Report ^ | 5/4/2011 | Al Tompkins




“As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”


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« Reply #446 on: May 04, 2011, 04:00:53 PM »
Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html



The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
 
CIA Director Leon Panetta speaks as Army General David Petraeus and Marine General John Allen listen Photo: GETTY IMAGESBy Steven Swinford 10:25PM BST 04 May 2011

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

"We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound."

Mr Panetta also revealed that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

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He said: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden. And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.

"To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals."

The President only knew the mission was successful after the Navy Seals commander heard the word “Geronimo” on the radio, a code word from commandos reporting that they had killed bin Laden.

The absence of footage of the raid has led to conflicting reports about what happened in the compound. According to Pakistani authorities one of bin Laden’s daughter’s, who was present during the raid, claimed that her father was captured alive before he was killed.

There was also growing doubt about the US claims that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies involved in the raid.

Lieutenant General Asad Durrani, former head of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, said it was "inconceivable" that his government was unaware of the US raid on Osama bin Laden's compound.

He claimed his country was forced to deny any knowledge of the raid to avoid a domestic backlash. The ISI's official line has been that bin Laden's compound had "slipped off our radar" after it raided the building in 2003 while hunting for another senior al-Qaeda operative.The agency claims it was unaware that bin Laden was hiding there.

Lieutenant General Durrani, however, said that the denial was a "political" maneuver by the intelligence services to avoid claims that they were working too closely with the US.

He said: "It is more likely that they did know [about the raid]. It is not conceivable that it was done without the involvement of Pakistani security forces at some stage. They were involved and they were told they were in position.

"The army chief was in his office, the cordons had been thrown around that particular place. The Pakistani helicopters were also in the air so that indicates that it was involved.

"[There are] political implications back home. If you say that you are involved there is a large, vocal faction of Pakistani society that will get very upset because we are carrying out repeatedly these operations with the Americans."

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #447 on: May 04, 2011, 04:19:08 PM »
If they were watching this thing on a live feed - how the hell is thing so muddled? 



Because you know perfectly well that initial reports are rarely completely accurate.  CT'rs are too retarded to differentiate. 

And do we even know what kind of a live feed yet?  Was it a cam on one of the Seals?  An overhead view, etc.  I doubt they saw everything going down with perfect clarity.

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« Reply #448 on: May 04, 2011, 04:20:02 PM »
I'm sure one is incorrect, but that certainly doesn't make some shit you pulled out of your ass correct.



BOOM!!  Exactly.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #449 on: May 04, 2011, 05:10:53 PM »
If they were watching this thing on a live feed - how the hell is thing so muddled? 

From what I've read the live feed was a drone flying overhead so they saw nothing that went down inside the compound. Although you would think that they'd have cameras strapped on at least one of the SEALs. Who knows.

Either way, 240's full of shit.