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« Reply #476 on: May 05, 2011, 07:12:27 AM »
New at Starbucks- The Bin Latte. Dark body, frothy head....two shots

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« Reply #477 on: May 05, 2011, 07:15:10 AM »
Source: Only 1 killed in bin Laden raid was armed

WASHINGTON – Only one of the five people killed in the raid that got Osama bin Laden was armed and fired a shot, a senior defense official said Thursday, acknowledging the new account differs greatly from original administration portrayals of a chaotic, intense and prolonged firefight.

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« Reply #479 on: May 05, 2011, 08:29:32 AM »
I think i could take a stab at it


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« Reply #480 on: May 05, 2011, 08:29:50 AM »
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« Reply #481 on: May 05, 2011, 08:36:33 AM »
China and Pakistan have very close ties-- especially through Pakistan's ISI. Strategically, India is in competition with China and Pakistan is India's sworn enemy. Also bare in mind that both Pakistan and China hate America. While none of that information by itself is evidence that China knew where Bin Laden was, you also have to consider that China was at least tacitly aware of the Mumbai massacre before it happened, China came out strongly denouncing Obama's decision to take Bin Laden out because it violted Pakistani sovereignty etc. and there are reports that rubble from the American chopper that went down during the Bin Laden operation was taken by the Pakistani military and sent to China for analysis.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that China was aware of Bin Ladens whereabouts.

One thing that experts have noted is that Bin Laden never mentioned the Uighur Muslim minority population in China even though he referenced practically every other Islamic population in conflict with non-Islamist regimes.

No smoking gun as of yet, but definitely some food for thought.

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« Reply #482 on: May 05, 2011, 08:50:29 AM »
Photojournalists describe staging of Obama photo taken after TV announcement of bin Laden’s death
Poynter ^ | May 4, 2011 | Al Tompkins


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Reuters White House photographer Jason Reed describes how the president made his speech to a single TV camera, then immediately after finishing, he pretended to speak for the still cameras.

Reed writes: “As President Obama continued his nine-minute address in front of just one main network camera, the photographers were held outside the room by staff and asked to remain completely silent. Once Obama was off the air, we were escorted in front of that teleprompter and the President then re-enacted the walk-out and first 30 seconds of the statement for us.”

That means the photograph that appeared in many newspapers Monday morning of Obama speaking may have been the staged shot, captured after the president spoke. This type of staging has been going on for decades.

This is the cutline transmitted with this AP photo: “President Barack Obama reads his statement to photographers after making a televised statement on the death of Osama bin Laden from the East Room of the White House in Washington, Sunday, May 1, 2011. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)”

John Harrington, president of the White House News Photographers Association, tells me that the Obama Administration has used this technique before and they are not the first.

“I am aware of it happening in previous administrations. I believe Bush 41 [George H.W. Bush] did it too,” Harrington says. “The times where I have known of it happening before is when the president is in the Oval Office and you are working in a very tight space.” Other photographers who work at the White House told Poynter.org that since the Reagan era (and possibly before) it has been the standard operating procedure that during a live presidential address, still cameras are not allowed to photograph the actual event. “AP understands why the still photographers are not allowed into the live address area and the captions disclose that these are re-enactment situations as well,” says David Ake, the Associated Press’ assistant bureau chief for photos in Washington.

Because of the noise from the camera shutters and the placement of the teleprompter, “we are not able to photograph those events.”

Senior AP Staff Photographer Pablo Martinez Monsivais was called in from vacation on Sunday to cover the White House announcement.

The AP’s Pablo Martinez Monsivais, who took this photo, told Poynter, “What was very unique this time was that the White House actually allowed the still press photography pool to photograph the president’s ‘walk in’ so that images could be distributed prior to the late, 11:45 p.m. address.”

“There is nothing that we do as photojournalists that is unethical” about this, he says. “We fully disclose in our captions that this is a re-enactment, after the live announcement. We put that in.”

“The statement for the photographers took place two to three minutes after the live speech and it happened very quickly — extremely fast — with each photographer rotating into the center position.”

Doug Mills, New York Times photojournalist and former Associated Press staffer, says it has been done this way “always, always … well, as long as I have covered the White House, going back to the Reagan administration. We [still photographers] have never, never, never, ever been allowed to cover a live presidential address to the nation!”

Poynter’s Senior Faculty for Visual Journalism, Kenny Irby, explains, “The most obvious concern is noise. The 35mm cameras emit shutter noise, that would be multiplied by several photographers and increased by the echo which resonates off of the marble floors. The other visual distraction is the placement of the teleprompter that impedes the photographers’ line of sight to the president.”

Harrington says there are alternatives to staging the photographs.

As video images are increasingly detailed, it is easier to use screen captures that meet still photograph standards. He also points to devices like the “Jacobson blimp,” which he demonstrates in a YouTube video. The blimp is a hard case with a cut-out for the camera and a remote control that allows a photographer to capture images while the case mutes the sound of the camera. Harrington says other photographers have customized still cameras to make them quieter. In fact, a camera was customized to take an unusual photo of Obama during his inauguration.

But this practice of re-enacting a historic speech flies directly in the face of the National Press Photographers Association Code of Ethics, which includes this relevant passage: “Resist being manipulated by staged photo opportunities.”

Harrington says, “I know we are splitting hairs here, but the White House photographers covering those re-enactments did not stage, request or direct them. They are covering an event. They photograph what they are presented with.”

Harrington says the re-enactment is an alternative to just handing out a White House photo. “Obviously you should refer to it as a re-enactment in the cutline of the photo; it does need to be disclosed.” Both Reuters and the AP did disclose the re-enactment in the cutlines they transmitted with photos. For example, the AP cutline reads:

However, not all newspapers reprinted those disclosures. Some newspapers disclose Poynter’s Library Director David Shedden searched 50 newspaper front pages from Monday morning to see if papers that used the staged image disclosed it. Keep in mind, newsrooms were scrambling to create new front pages late Sunday evening.

This cutline was transmitted with this Reuters photo: “U.S. President Barack Obama is pictured after announcing live on television the death of Osama bin Laden, from the East Room of the White House in Washington May 1, 2011. Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed on Sunday in a firefight with U.S. forces in Pakistan and his body was recovered, President Obama announced on Sunday.” (Jason Reed/Reuters) Some newspapers that we viewed used both the AP photo and its cutline, which disclosed the image’s origins. The Wausau Daily Herald, Wisconsin State Journal, Biloxi Sun Herald, Lodi News-Sentinel, Yuma Sun, The Sarasota Herald-Tribune, The Detroit Free Press, The Wichita Eagle and The Orange County Register used the AP photo and its cutline (or a variation). The Orlando Sentinel page simply states, “President Barack Obama is shown after his announcement about Osama bin Laden Sunday.” The San Jose Mercury News had a similar caption with a Getty image. Thirty other front pages we reviewed used an AP, Reuters or Getty photo, credited appropriately, with a caption that implied or strongly suggested it was an image of the live address.

The remaining nine front pages don’t say where the photos came from; although several look like the re-enactments, they could be screen captures from the live address.

What should happen next

It is time for this kind of re-enactment to end. The White House should value truth and authenticity. The technology clearly exists to document important moments without interrupting them. Photojournalists and their employers should insist on and press for access to document these historic moments.

In the meantime, anyone who uses these recreations should clearly disclose to the reader the circumstances under which they were captured.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #483 on: May 05, 2011, 09:05:52 AM »
Five Mistakes the Obama Administration Has Made in the Aftermath of Bin Laden Killing
Play Video Barack Obama Video:AP Top Stories AP .
By MARK HALPERIN Mark Halperin – Wed May 4, 12:15 pm ET
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Aftermath can be heck.

The White House's brilliant conceptualization and execution of the plan to bring Osama bin Laden to justice has, in the last 48 hours, been complicated by mistakes.

No one can question the heroism of the US military, the doggedness of the intelligence community, or the cajones of the President in making the call. But the administration has since made real errors, some with political costs, some with substantive costs, and some with both. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's Pakistan hideaway.)

The major errors so far:

1. Not getting its story straight: Was bin Laden armed or not? What woman served as a human shield? Who actually was killed beyond the main target? The administration deserves mountains of credit for its painstaking, conspicuous effort to brief the world on the mission, knowing a lot of information would have to be held back to protect sources, operatives, methods, and sensitive data. Which makes the carelessness of the errors somewhat surprising. The costs: the media coverage sours, the President's opponents (especially on talk radio) go crazy, other details of the mission unfairly get called into question, and the wild theories of global enemies and conspiracy seekers get a foothold.

2. Not giving George W. Bush enough credit for helping bring bin Laden to justice: Even if the White House believes the previous occupant had nothing to do with OBL's ultimate demise, it would have been better for national unity and Obama's own political fortunes if he had gone out of his way to thank 43. His invitation to Bush to join the event Thursday at Ground Zero (an offer declined) was the right idea, but belated. (Watch "President Obama on the Death of bin Laden.")

3. Letting the photo debate get out of control: The decision about whether to release images of a dead bin Laden is not an easy one. But the administration's conflicting statements and public agonizing has created an extended distraction. The White House has stumbled by violating one of Washington's iron rules: when something becomes famous inside the Beltway for not being released, the pressure from the media to release it becomes unrelenting.

4. Letting the debate about the war in Afghanistan get out of control: There are signs that some of the president's advisers are looking to scale back the commitment in Afghanistan sooner rather than later. But by failing to go on the offensive in defining and defending whatever policy the President wants to pursue, the White House has allowed those pressing for an end of the war to use bin Laden's death as rhetorical leverage. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's life of terror.)

5. Letting the debate about Pakistan get out of control: The congressional and media demand for a radical change in America's relationship with Pakistan is burning like wildfire. The administration knows that a shift in policy is complicated and compromising, and not necessarily in the United States' interest. Stoking the problem: executive branch officials, publicly and privately, are expressing incredulity that the Pakistanis were unaware bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in their country. There should be and will be a debate about all this, but the administration's actions and inactions is making it less likely it will be on their terms.

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« Reply #484 on: May 05, 2011, 09:36:35 AM »
333386,  will you please start posting links with your articles?  I'd appreciate it!    :)

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« Reply #485 on: May 05, 2011, 09:37:20 AM »
Five Mistakes the Obama Administration Has Made in the Aftermath of Bin Laden Killing
Play Video Barack Obama Video:AP Top Stories AP .
By MARK HALPERIN Mark Halperin – Wed May 4, 12:15 pm ET
www.yahoo.com




Aftermath can be heck.

The White House's brilliant conceptualization and execution of the plan to bring Osama bin Laden to justice has, in the last 48 hours, been complicated by mistakes.

No one can question the heroism of the US military, the doggedness of the intelligence community, or the cajones of the President in making the call. But the administration has since made real errors, some with political costs, some with substantive costs, and some with both. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's Pakistan hideaway.)

The major errors so far:

1. Not getting its story straight: Was bin Laden armed or not? What woman served as a human shield? Who actually was killed beyond the main target? The administration deserves mountains of credit for its painstaking, conspicuous effort to brief the world on the mission, knowing a lot of information would have to be held back to protect sources, operatives, methods, and sensitive data. Which makes the carelessness of the errors somewhat surprising. The costs: the media coverage sours, the President's opponents (especially on talk radio) go crazy, other details of the mission unfairly get called into question, and the wild theories of global enemies and conspiracy seekers get a foothold.

2. Not giving George W. Bush enough credit for helping bring bin Laden to justice: Even if the White House believes the previous occupant had nothing to do with OBL's ultimate demise, it would have been better for national unity and Obama's own political fortunes if he had gone out of his way to thank 43. His invitation to Bush to join the event Thursday at Ground Zero (an offer declined) was the right idea, but belated. (Watch "President Obama on the Death of bin Laden.")

3. Letting the photo debate get out of control: The decision about whether to release images of a dead bin Laden is not an easy one. But the administration's conflicting statements and public agonizing has created an extended distraction. The White House has stumbled by violating one of Washington's iron rules: when something becomes famous inside the Beltway for not being released, the pressure from the media to release it becomes unrelenting.

4. Letting the debate about the war in Afghanistan get out of control: There are signs that some of the president's advisers are looking to scale back the commitment in Afghanistan sooner rather than later. But by failing to go on the offensive in defining and defending whatever policy the President wants to pursue, the White House has allowed those pressing for an end of the war to use bin Laden's death as rhetorical leverage. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden's life of terror.)

5. Letting the debate about Pakistan get out of control: The congressional and media demand for a radical change in America's relationship with Pakistan is burning like wildfire. The administration knows that a shift in policy is complicated and compromising, and not necessarily in the United States' interest. Stoking the problem: executive branch officials, publicly and privately, are expressing incredulity that the Pakistanis were unaware bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in their country. There should be and will be a debate about all this, but the administration's actions and inactions is making it less likely it will be on their terms.

See the top 10 defining moments of the post-9/11 era.

See TIME's complete coverage of Osama bin Laden's death.

View this article on Time.com


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« Reply #486 on: May 05, 2011, 09:39:54 AM »
333386,  will you please start posting links with your articles?  I'd appreciate it!    :)

Ok.  that last one was from Time

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« Reply #487 on: May 05, 2011, 09:48:34 AM »
In other news, I'm gonna chow down Mexican food tonight, because I have a heart and want to celebrate cinco de mayo.

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« Reply #488 on: May 05, 2011, 09:59:44 AM »
In other news, I'm gonna chow down Mexican food tonight, because I have a heart and want to celebrate cinco de mayo.

There are two things in this world I hate:

1. Racist people
2. Mexicans...












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« Reply #489 on: May 05, 2011, 10:07:05 AM »
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« Reply #490 on: May 05, 2011, 10:10:01 AM »
Ok.  that last one was from Time
Hey, Obama's at ground zero. You going to see him?
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« Reply #491 on: May 05, 2011, 10:11:35 AM »
Hey, Obama's at ground zero. You going to see him?

Hell no.  He is proably heading to a myriad of fundraisers after that and scarfing down beers, dogs, burgers, etc   

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« Reply #492 on: May 05, 2011, 10:17:55 AM »
Hell no.  He is proably heading to a myriad of fundraisers after that and scarfing down beers, dogs, burgers, etc   

mmmmmmm burgers at jackson hole on 64th street.

Hell no.  He is proably heading to a myriad of fundraisers after that and scarfing down beers, dogs, burgers, etc   

I almost did on a bike run, but decided not to

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« Reply #493 on: May 05, 2011, 10:27:15 AM »
sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/wpix-family-unhappy-about-obama-visit,0,4037272.story

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9/11 Family Invited To Presidential Ground Zero Visit Snubs Obama
By MONICA MORALES

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11:51 AM EDT, May 5, 2011

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As 50 carefully selected families prepare to join President Barack Obama for a ceremony at the World Trade Center site Thursday, one of the invited 9/11 families have decided to pass on the Commander-in-chief's visit.

Although many consider it to be a once in a lifetime invitation, the Vigiano family of Deer Park, Long Island have respectfully declined.

"If this form letter was the invitation, it was kinda lame," John Vigiano told PIX 11 News when describing the email invitation sent to him from the White House.

Jan and John Vigiano received the email invite Tuesday and admitted that they nearly deleted it, thinking it was spam. The private invitation complete with the White House seal informed the couple about President Obama's visit to the World Trade Center site just days after news broke about Osama bin Laden's death.

What rubbed the Vigiano's the wrong way was not what the email said, but how it was addressed.

"It says 'Dear 9-11 family member,' - no names" " John Vigiano said, reading the invite aloud to PIX 11 cameras. "I don't know if its disrespectful, but it doesn't work for me."

The Vigianos lost both their sons on September 11, 2001. John Vigiano Jr. was 36, and a FDNY firefighter, while their youngest Joe Vigiano was an emergency services detective with the NYPD.

"There is no closure," a sobbing John Vigiano said. "There is none."

The Vigiano family is just one of fifty families sent the exclusive invitation to meet the President at what is being billed as a historic visit to Ground Zero Thursday. With all that considered, the mourning father says he's not going.

"I'm honored the President of the United States is coming to New York," he said. "[But] to me its just going to be a photo op."

Jeannie Evans, of Elmont, who lost her baby brother firefighter Robert Evans on 9/11 will also not be there Thursday. She wasn't invited.

"I guess I feel lucky and leftout," Evans said as she held a picture of her brother. "Its always a select few. Is it fair? No. We all have voices."

Evans says she will probably watch Obama's visit on television but wishes she could ask him a few questions.

"Why not show us proof, that Bin Laden was killed? I would like to see that," wondered Evans.

Meanwhile, the Vigiano family insisted they mean no disrespect toward the President as John is a former marine and a retired Brooklyn firefighter.

"I got a call from the White House today apologizing," he revealed. "Apology accepted of course. He is the President of the United States after all."

In an email to Monica Morales, the White House said, "In consultation with the National 9/11 Memorial staff, we personally invited a group of 9/11 family members who we believe represents a cross section of family members from various 9/11 organizations. If that personal touch did not come across, it was only as a result of technological and time constrictions in pulling together such an important discussion on such short notice. The president looks forward to spending time visiting with the families of those who were tragically killed on 9/11."

Copyright © 2011, WPIX-TV, New York

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« Reply #494 on: May 05, 2011, 10:31:19 AM »
Hey, Obama's at ground zero. You going to see him?

Who feels like having there rectum checked for TNT by the DHS? Not me



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« Reply #495 on: May 05, 2011, 12:12:06 PM »
Michael Moore: Bin Laden wasn't killed, he was executed
MSN.com ^ | 4 May 11 | Brent Lang




Osama bin Laden wasn't killed by a Navy SEAL team, he was straight up executed, Michael Moore told TheWrap on Wednesday.

The "Fahrenheit 9/11" director has been setting Twitter aflame Wednesday afternoon urging the Obama administration to come clean about the circumstances surrounding the terrorist leader's death -- particularly in light of the White House's shifting account of last weekend's firefight in Abbottabad.

The Oscar-winning director has been tweeting about his belief that Bin Laden should have received a trial, and his theory that Pakistan was keeping the Al Qaeda head under house arrest.


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« Reply #496 on: May 05, 2011, 12:15:09 PM »
Michael Moore: Bin Laden wasn't killed, he was executed
MSN.com ^ | 4 May 11 | Brent Lang




Osama bin Laden wasn't killed by a Navy SEAL team, he was straight up executed, Michael Moore told TheWrap on Wednesday.

The "Fahrenheit 9/11" director has been setting Twitter aflame Wednesday afternoon urging the Obama administration to come clean about the circumstances surrounding the terrorist leader's death -- particularly in light of the White House's shifting account of last weekend's firefight in Abbottabad.

The Oscar-winning director has been tweeting about his belief that Bin Laden should have received a trial, and his theory that Pakistan was keeping the Al Qaeda head under house arrest.


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Wow Micheal Moore has something to say about this, color me surprised.
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« Reply #497 on: May 05, 2011, 12:54:50 PM »
Dershowitz: Release OBL Photos or Face Lawsuit
NRO ^ | 05/05/2011 | Andrew Stiles


Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:02:06 PM by OldDeckHand

Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz renders his two opponents — Col. Morris Davis, former chief prosecutor at Guantanamo and Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times — speechless as he makes the case for why the photos of a dead Osama bin Laden should be released, dismantling every one of their counterpoints in the process. He suggests that news outlets, should they elect to sue the government to obtain the photos, would have a winning case. But will any have the gumption to do so? (Or at least, more than had the gumption to publish the Muhammad cartoons?)



DERSHOWITZ: The precedent this would establish for suppressing material because it might be offensive or might lead to this, it would give…Muslim extremists veto about what we can read, what we can hear. It harks back to the cartoon issues and other forms of censorship. We should not censor because if we publish it will offend the sensibilities of people who don’t share our values.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #498 on: May 05, 2011, 01:43:46 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHA   more 'changed stories' of what happened that day.

make up your mind, obama.

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« Reply #499 on: May 05, 2011, 01:46:47 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHA   more 'changed stories' of what happened that day.

make up your mind, obama.

Problem is that Bama had NOTHING to do with this.    If anything, I give credit to Panetta, USN, CIA.     Bama is just johnny come lately and trying to take credit for something he had nothing to do with in any fashion at all.   

Fuck him.   any good feelings i had a few days ago are gone.