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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2011, 03:27:10 PM »
Because they surround themselves with things, amterials, and obssess or what they have vs. others, this means they spend more time on that than actual family...Also, many spend less time outdoors, with nature, or actually knowing people, and having deep convos with them and themselves. This lack of introspective analysis creates a spiritual void, and makes people very ego-centric.
We ve been designed by evolution to be "happy" when we interact with people in ways that improve our chances of survival -this is what makes us feel "good" , what produces chemicals in our brain to make us feel happy-. Nowadays our environment doesnt require this anymore because of scientific and technologic progresses. There is no point helping others, it's all about loneliness, calculating how to rape other people using the most perverse ways -because we cannot use physical violence anymore- so people use psychological violence more and more in their everyday life while being more and more egocentric. They consume each others like material goods. This is the end of spirituality, beliefs, it's the era of the materialistic perverse and self centered animal pretending to be "more" than an animal.
 Basically our brains and emotions are not designed for this world we developped. And we re still animals motivated by very basic stimulis; eat, shit, fuck, kill in order not to be killed, reproduce.


There is one funny thing about all of this though. We know HOW our body and brain work more and more. But we still dont know WHY it has been designed to work that way. Why can we feel things animals can't, because of our more developped brains.

There are things that work, and things that dont. Currently people are mostly doing things that make them feel unhappy but which are suposed to make em happy, this is the main problem of our modern societies. People who raise in the social ladder, have it all, but then ruin it all or start to consume anti depressants sooner and sooner.



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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2011, 03:39:03 PM »
We ve been designed by evolution to be "happy" when we interact with people in ways that improve our chances of survival -this is what makes us feel "good" , what produces chemicals in our brain to make us feel happy-. Nowadays our environment doesnt require this anymore because of scientific and technologic progresses. There is no point helping others, it's all about loneliness, calculating how to rape other people using the most perverse ways -because we cannot use physical violence anymore- so people use psychological violence more and more in their everyday life while being more and more egocentric. They consume each others like material goods. This is the end of spirituality, beliefs, it's the era of the materialistic perverse and self centered animal pretending to be "more" than an animal.
 Basically our brains and emotions are not designed for this world we developped. And we re still animals motivated by very basic stimulis; eat, shit, fuck, kill in order not to be killed, reproduce.


There is one funny thing about all of this though. We know HOW our body and brain work more and more. But we still dont know WHY it has been designed to work that way. Why can we feel things animals can't, because of our more developped brains.

There are things that work, and things that dont. Currently people are mostly doing things that make them feel unhappy but which are suposed to make em happy, this is the main problem of our modern societies. People who raise in the social ladder, have it all, but then ruin it all or start to consume anti depressants sooner and sooner.


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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2011, 03:45:40 PM »
We ve been designed by evolution to be "happy" when we interact with people in ways that improve our chances of survival -this is what makes us feel "good" , what produces chemicals in our brain to make us feel happy-. Nowadays our environment doesnt require this anymore because of scientific and technologic progresses. There is no point helping others, it's all about loneliness, calculating how to rape other people using the most perverse ways -because we cannot use physical violence anymore- so people use psychological violence more and more in their everyday life while being more and more egocentric. They consume each others like material goods. This is the end of spirituality, beliefs, it's the era of the materialistic perverse and self centered animal pretending to be "more" than an animal.
 Basically our brains and emotions are not designed for this world we developped. And we re still animals motivated by very basic stimulis; eat, shit, fuck, kill in order not to be killed, reproduce.

There is one funny thing about all of this though. We know HOW our body and brain work more and more. But we still dont know WHY it has been designed to work that way. Why can we feel things animals can't, because of our more developped brains.

There are things that work, and things that dont. Currently people are mostly doing things that make them feel unhappy but which are suposed to make em happy, this is the main problem of our modern societies. People who raise in the social ladder, have it all, but then ruin it all or start to consume anti depressants sooner and sooner.

We don't know anything. Not how our body works, not how our brain works. And even if we did, we still wouldn't have a clue who we are because these are just scientific aspects. We are not animals, that's a misconception of positivists. What we are in our essence is exactly not an animal.

IMO what you describe has nothing to do with modern society, it's just how we are if we are unenlightened, which we are.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2011, 03:48:30 PM »
We ve been designed by evolution to be "happy" when we interact with people in ways that improve our chances of survival -this is what makes us feel "good" , what produces chemicals in our brain to make us feel happy-. Nowadays our environment doesnt require this anymore because of scientific and technologic progresses. There is no point helping others, it's all about loneliness, calculating how to rape other people using the most perverse ways -because we cannot use physical violence anymore- so people use psychological violence more and more in their everyday life while being more and more egocentric. They consume each others like material goods. This is the end of spirituality, beliefs, it's the era of the materialistic perverse and self centered animal pretending to be "more" than an animal.
 Basically our brains and emotions are not designed for this world we developped. And we re still animals motivated by very basic stimulis; eat, shit, fuck, kill in order not to be killed, reproduce.


There is one funny thing about all of this though. We know HOW our body and brain work more and more. But we still dont know WHY it has been designed to work that way. Why can we feel things animals can't, because of our more developped brains.

There are things that work, and things that dont. Currently people are mostly doing things that make them feel unhappy but which are suposed to make em happy, this is the main problem of our modern societies. People who raise in the social ladder, have it all, but then ruin it all or start to consume anti depressants sooner and sooner.



This...

have you seen that report  by that doc who is scanning kids brains to see the effects that technology has on them? It was on the antional news like 3 wks ago...and he has 3 boys, who i firmly beleive are gonna be fuck ups...

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2011, 06:39:55 PM »

EXERCISE AND MOOD

 

 

          Most runners would agree that running makes them feel better.  Whether a marathoner, sprinter, or just a recreational jogger, all would say similar things about running: “I feel powerful when I run”, “Running makes me feel strong”, “When I get stressed, I run”.  Such statements would attest to the effect exercise has on mood.   While it is clear exercise lifts mood, the physiological explanation is not so clear.  What affect does exercise really have on the brain?  To answer this question, we must know a little bit about how the chemicals in the brain [neurochemicals] affect mood.

 

          There are four main neurochemicals that affect mood.  They are: Serotonin, Epinephrine, Dopamine, and Endorphin.  Serotonin serves to elevate mood, increase feelings of satiety, and lift depression.  We have all experienced a rise in serotonin at some point.  It is that satisfied feeling we have after a long run, or a large plate of pasta.  It is also that feeling of comfort we get from spending time with close friends, and/or family.  Serotonin can become depleted with chronic stress or anxiety, starvation or a low carbohydrate diet, and inactivity, leaving you feeling depressed, irritable, moody, and exhausted.  Conversely, serotonin is strongly elevated after a long run, or workout, even at moderate intensity levels.

          Epinephrine is responsible for the “fight or flight” response that occurs when we get scared, or feel stressed.  The effect epinephrine has on the body is to increase heart rate and blood pressure, elevate temperature, stimulate the sympathetic nervous system [used for voluntary muscle contraction], repress the parasympathetic nervous system [used for digestion, immune response, injury repair, and sleeping] and increase cortisol levels.  In today’s fast-paced world, we all probably experience epinephrine on a daily basis.  Chronically racing to get things done, being late, driving in rush hour traffic, juggling too many tasks at once, and starvation can all stimulate epinephrine.  Epinephrine can become depleted with chronic stress or anxiety, leaving you feeling worn out, exhausted, mentally drained, and often depressed. Epinephrine is temporarily elevated when we exercise at very high intensity levels.  Exercising at lower intensity levels, or performing intervals, [alternating intense exertion and rest] can lower epinephrine levels.

          Dopamine is the neurochemical that is responsible for sleeping and waking cycles.  While we may not recognize when dopamine is correctly balanced, we certainly know when our sleeping and waking cycles have been disrupted.  Commonly described as “jet lag”, a disruption in our sleeping and waking cycle is caused by an imbalance in the dopamine level.  Dopamine stores can become depleted with chronic stress, or anxiety, and intense trauma, starvation or low carbohydrate diets.  Dopamine can also be affected by serotonin levels, becoming depleted when serotonin is depleted.  Likewise, dopamine levels can be elevated by elevating the serotonin level.  Therefore, performing long duration exercise at moderate intensity can elevate dopamine levels.

          Endorphins are the neurochemicals that act as the body’s “natural painkillers”.  Endorphins are responsible for the decrease in physical pain with exercise.  Many runners will attest to the fact that chronic pains seem less noticeable during, and immediately after a run.  Endorphins are also responsible for the ability to disregard, or perhaps not even notice pain, when engaged in a physical activity.  This is why we can run, or play without noticing blisters on our feet, until after the run, or game.  Endorphins can allow us to perform activities that would otherwise be stopped by pain.  Endorphins are also partly responsible for the “runners high” that is often reported by devout runners.  The endorphin response to exercise increases with frequency of the exercise.  Interestingly, substance and alcohol abuse can deplete the endorphin response to exercise.  However, all people, regardless of history, will experience a rise in endorphin levels with exercise of any kind.  

 

          Exercise, of any kind will have a positive effect on all four of our neurochemicals, but does the type of exercise we perform matter?  To some extent, the answer is yes.

 

When we perform exercise at very high intensity levels, epinephrine levels tend to become elevated, more so than with low to moderate intensity level exercise.  Power lifting, weight training, sprinting, interval training, plyometrics, and ballistic training can all create a rise in epinephrine levels.  Likewise any sport that relies more on explosive, start and stop efforts than a consistent moderate intensity effort, would create a significant rise in epinephrine levels.  This means that sports that utilize more fast twitch muscle fibers than slow twitch muscle fibers will have a noticeable impact on the epinephrine levels.  When we recruit fast twitch muscle fibers, we create the same fight or flight response that would be created in response to real trauma.  This response generates very high levels of epinephrine and adrenaline.

 

While explosive forms of exercise and sports generate a rise in epinephrine and adrenaline, low to moderate intensity exercise tends to create a rise in serotonin.  Long distance running, cycling, hiking, swimming, yoga, and sports that rely more on endurance than power create a rise in serotonin levels.  Therefore, any sport or exercise that recruits more slow twitch muscle fibers than fast twitch muscle fibers, will increase serotonin levels.  When we recruit slow twitch muscle fibers, the purpose is to be able to perform moderate intensity exercise for a long period of time.  While the chemical connection between moderate intensity exercise and increased levels of serotonin in not fully understood, one could speculate that completing a difficult task, such as a long run creates an increase in positive emotional states, which would positively affect  serotonin levels.  The rise in serotonin that is experienced with moderate intensity exercise, seems to be similar in nature to the rise in serotonin that is experienced when one is surrounded by good friends and family.  In general, when one engages in positive experiences, including exercise at low moderate intensity levels, we see a rise in serotonin levels.

 

As indicated above, when the serotonin levels rise, the dopamine levels tend to rise in accordance.  This means that exercising, or engaging in sports at low to moderate intensity levels would have a positive impact on dopamine levels.  We have all experienced the good night’s rest that is typical following a good workout.  However, we have probably also experienced the disrupted sleep that can follow intense exercise performed too late.  It seem then that low to moderate intensity exercise has a positive effect on dopamine levels, while exercise that is very intense can lower dopamine levels, causing a disruption in sleep.  In fact, one of the symptoms of overtraining is a disruption in the athlete’s sleep pattern.

 

While dopamine and serotonin are more strongly elevated by low to moderate intensity exercise, than with intense exercise, the endorphin response to exercise seems to be non-selective.  We experience a rise in endorphins regardless of the type, or intensity of the exercise.  However, the endorphin response to exercise becomes stronger with exercise frequency.  It seems that the more exercise we perform, the more endorphins we produce with each exercise bout. While natural painkillers are never a bad thing, we do want to be careful of overtraining, which will disrupt sleep patterns, putting us at a greater risk of injury.

 

While we can begin to predict the neurochemical response to exercise, does this mean that we can control mood through exercise?  Many researchers would answer yes.  While, perhaps we may not thoroughly understand all of the mechanisms at play, we can say that different intensities of exercise create different chemical responses in the body.  More than anything, however, we do know, beyond any doubt, that exercise has a very positive effect on mood.  So try your hand at choosing the exercise that suits your personality best, and creating the mood you want.  Happy exercising.










Serotonin: The chemistry of Well-Being

     

    More than 100,000 chemical reactions go on in your brain every second! The brain is also a radio transmitter, which sends out measurable electrical wave signals. In fact the brain continues to send out these signals for as long as 37 hours after death!

    Among the brain's many jobs is to be your own chemist. The brain produces more than 50 identified active drugs. Some of these are associated with memory, others with intelligence, still others are sedatives. Endorphin is the brain's painkiller, and it is 3 times more potent than morphine.

    Scientific research over the last several decades has led to the revolutionary discovery of opiate-like chemicals in the body that associate with opiate specific receptors in the brain and spinal cord, including Serotonin, a hormone manufactured by your brain.

    Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, involved in the transmission of nerve impulses. It is manufactured in your body using the amino acid tryptophan. It is manufactured in your body using the amino acid tryptophan. Release of serotonin or other drugs (depending on the type of nerve) causes the other nerve to fire and continue the message along the "cable"..

    The neurotransmitters are dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. At the neurochemical and physiological level, neurotransmitters are extremely important, since they carry impulses between nerve cells. The substance that processes the neurotransmitter called serotonin is the amino acid tryptophan. It increases the amount of serotonin made by the brain.

    Certain aminos cause you to have better feeling of well being. Serotonin is a chemical that helps maintain a "happy feeling," and seems to help keep our moods under control by helping with sleep, calming anxiety, and relieving depression. The brain also makes Dopamine, which makes people more talkative and excitable. It affects  brain processes that control movement, emotional response, and ability to experience pleasure and pain. All of these chemicals are natural chemicals that affect our bodily processes.

    Besides being involved in the process of addiction, low Serotonin levels are believed to be the reason for many cases of mild to moderate depression which can lead to symptoms like anxiety, apathy, fear, feelings of worthlessness, insomnia and fatigue. We are learning that depression is related to and a number of other health issues. Depression is the nation's most prevalent mental health problem, affecting about 15 million Americans who spend about $3 billion a year on drugs to battle it. Almost all of these medicines target either serotonin or norepinephrine, brain chemicals which are neurotransmitters.
     

        "Research over the past two decades has shown...that depression is an important risk factor for  heart disease along with high blood cholesterol and high blood pressure."    - National Institute of Mental Health

    A whole new class of antidepressant medications has been developed that affects chemical messengers within the brain (the neurotransmitters). These medications are believed to work by regulating the release or action of Serotonin. Those drugs do help many patients, but they can cause serious side effects, and some 20 percent of patients get no help from today's medicines.

    People seeking these medications normally indicate a feeling of being more or less in a state of depression. They may feel emotionally numb, "nothing feels nice," and/or vague aches and pains or perhaps the sensation of "aching all over," and almost invariably have a sense of some isolation.

    Some people do not admit anger, sadness or guilt; instead they withdraw and hide from society. They lose all interest in things around them and become incapable of any pleasure. Things appear bleak and time passes slowly for them. They are typically angry and irritable. They often try sleeping off their depression or do nothing but sit or lay around. In most people depression is not severe. They can still function, but do so at a lower capacity and at a slower pace.

    Symptoms of depression include chronic fatigue syndrome, insomnia or sleeping frequently and for excessive periods of time, loss of appetite or a ravenous appetite, headaches, backaches, colon disorders, and feelings of worthlessness and inadequacy. Many think of death and consider suicide. Depression may be caused by tension, upset stomach, stress, headache, nutritional deficiencies, poor diet, sugar mononucleosis, thyroid disorders, endometriosis (linked to depression in women), any serious physical disorder, or allergies.

    Some people become more depressed in the winter months when days are shorter and darker. The sun and bright light seem to trigger a response to a brain hormone known as melatonin (produced by the pineal gland), which is, in part, responsible for preventing the "blues." Stay in brightly-lit rooms on dark days. Research reveals that two hours of morning sun is very effective in lifting depression. The evening light had comparatively little results.

    Depression begins with a disturbance in the part of the brain that governs moods. Most people can handle everyday stresses; their bodies readjust to these pressures. When stress is too great for a person and his adjustment mechanism is unresponsive, depression may be triggered.

    In recent years anti-depressants are among the most widely prescribed medications, in spite of their side-affects. The presumption is that a chemically induced sense of well bring is better than none. Withdrawal from these medications can be particularly hazardous and must be managed carefully. Scientists have long hunted another way to attack depression.

    It has been discovered that some foods influence the brain's behavior, and the brain's neurotransmitters, which regulate our behavior, can be affected by what we eat. Research is showing that some foods such as bananas and turkey have proteins that help to create the chemical seratonin. So, diet may contribute to depression, especially poor eating habits and constant snacking on junk foods.

    We really do not know the triggers for hunger or appetite. It seems that serotonin is involved, but where and how are currently unknown. Serotonin release is triggered by a carbohydrate load (sugar, etc.) and there are many who feel that eating Carbohydrates under stress is aimed at this serotonin release.

    When the brain produces serotonin, tension is eased.  When it produces dopamine or norepinephrine, we tend to think and act more quickly and are generally more alert. Eating carbohydrates alone seems to have a calming effect, while proteins increase alertness. Complex carbohydrates, which raise the level of tryptophan in the brain, have a calming effect.

    Protein promotes the production of dopamine and norepinephrine, which promote alertness. Protein meals containing essential fatty acids and/or carbohydrates are recommended for increased alertness. Salmon and white fish are good choices. Avoid foods high in saturated fats; consumption of port or fried foods, such as hamburgers and French fries, leads to sluggishness, slow thinking, and fatigue. Fats inhibit the synthesis of neurotransmitters by the brain in that they cause the blood cells to become sticky and to clump together, resulting in poor circulation, especially to the brain.

    A balance is achieved when the diet contains a combination of these two nutrients. A turkey sandwich on whole wheat bread is a good combination: the turkey is high in protein and tryptophan, and the whole wheat bread supplies complex carbohydrates.

    Consume more carbohydrates than protein if you are nervous and wish to become more relaxed or eat more protein than carbohydrates if you are tired and wish to become more alert. A depressed person who needs his spirits lifted would benefit from eating foods like turkey and salmon, which are high in tryptophan and protein. Beware: The body will react more quickly to the presence of sugar than it does to the presence of complex carbohydrates. The increase in energy supplied by the simple carbohydrates is quickly accompanied by fatigue and depression.

    Tyrosine is also needed for brain function. This amino acid may be good for those who have prolonged and intense stress. Uncontrollable stress may thereby be prevented or reversed if this essential amino acid is obtained in the diet.

    Vitamin C is required for the conversion of the amino acids L-tyrosine and L-phenylalanine into noradrenaline. The conversion of tryptophan into seratonin, the neurohormone responsible for sleep, pain control and well being, also requires adequate supplies of vitamin C.  An herbal remedy has become popular. St. John's Wort contains an ingredient called "Hypericin, which prevents too much of the MAO (Mono Amine Oxidase) activity from being released and destroying Serotonin.

    Heredity is a significant factor in depression. In up to 50 percent of people suffering from recurrent episodes of depression, one or both of the parents were depressives. But the ability to be healthy and happy appears to be related to several simple techniques that are all related to relaxation, exercise, and nutrition. The interesting thing about these techniques is that research is beginning to show us how they impact us at a very basic level--our chemical processes.

    Not just our diet, but out thoughts, our emotions, and our behavior all effect body chemistry. For instance, relaxation produces the chemical norepinephrine with which low levels are implicated in depression. Also, exercise has been shown to produce another chemical known as endorphins, which help with depression, anxiety, sleep, and sexual activity.  So, besides eating certain foods, relaxation, exercise, and are things that we do that can also affect the level and activity of these chemicals. Thomas Jefferson wrote that most people feel about as happy as they make up their minds to be. And indeed, a positive attitude is invaluable.

    Most people never heard of serotonin management, or even considered it at all except for medications. Serotonin management amounts to paying attention to the little things that make you feel good and systematically including them in your daily routine. We know, instinctively, that pampering ourselves is a door to a sense of well being, but we may not take time to schedule pleasant surroundings, favorite music or food, or even quality time with loved ones into our daily agenda.

    Just getting out of bed and into a warm shower elevates serotonin levels, making it easier to get into a positive, constructive frame of mind. And generally speaking, depression if it is mild enough can sometimes be managed without prescribed medications. Aerobic exercise, watching your carbohydrate & alcohol consumption, getting up early and moving, even if you don't feel like it, forcing structure on your life, using meditation and imagery (if can concentrate, which depends on how depressed you are), and seeking a support group or psychotherapy, have all proved helpful.

    A group of psychologists did an on-going survey about happiness. When asked to rate their over all level of happiness, on a scale from 1 to 10, most people indicated about 6.7 or so. Interestingly it was discovered that a divorce, or serious injury, even the loss of a limb, caused this level to go down a point or two, for a year or two. But then it usually came back to about 6.7.

    Falling in love or winning the lottery caused the level of happiness to go up a point or two for a year or two, but then it went back to the previous level. What this implies is that a slight increase that could be sustained, was more significant than more dramatic life events.  In other words if you find small things that make you feel good, and do them on a regular basis, your overall level of happiness is greater than if you fall in love, win the lottery.

    Seemingly little things that taste good, smell good, or delight the senses can be very significant when systematically included in your daily routine. Violets for the soul may be one of your best investments, especially if you consider the fact that people who feel good are significantly less likely to tardy, absent, ill, or involved in accidents of all kinds.

    If you are in the habit of worrying about things, then put some boundaries on it. Actually take 10 or 15 minuets and really worry, then let it go and do something constructive for an equal period of time. Recogize that there are two kinds of worrying: conceptual, which is goal-oriented, and reactive, which is mostly destructive. Productive worrying seeks a trial soultion to the problem, while non-productive worrying usually seeks to blame or condemn. Attitude counts for a lot here. Is your cup half empty or half full? Most fearfull worry is wasted obsession with unfounded or un-realistic outcomes. Dissappointment is usually the product of poorly managed expectations.

    Taking time to smell the flowers implies a willingness to be spontaneous. A talent like this one is something that some just have while others must learn. Make a detailed list of little things that you enjoy and include them in your activities. Actually schedule a time of day to go for a walk, create or listen to your favorite music, read a poem, meditate, spend qualty time with family and friends, paint, excercise, or just play. Make a pact to try it, just for a few weeks, then see if your over-all well being is not improved.

 

Links:

    Mind-Brain Resources
    Consciousness and the Brain
    Consciousness in science: A bibliography
    Serotonin and Judgment
    The serotonin transporter: a primary target for antidepressant drugs
    Brain's Serotonin System Declines With Age, Researchers Report
    Association for the Scientific Study of Consciousness
    Love and Sex: The Vole Story - Emory University publication offers research findings that explore the role peptide hormones play in love and social bond formations.
    How to help a depressed friend or loved one. - -Written by the Kevin Grold PhD
    Neurologic / Consciousness / Mind Control  - a MarkSpace category
    Breadcasters - collection of helpful links.
    Q&A About Depression &Anxiety
    Dopamine and the major role it plays in addiction
    MDMA or Ecstacy - America's newest problem drug
    Neuroscience Resources -  Physiology at the University of  Wisconsin
    Brain Collection  - Wisconsin/Michigan State
    Newsgroup: alt.support.depression
    The Depression Dictionary

     



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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2011, 06:51:53 PM »
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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2011, 06:57:12 PM »
You seem to have alot of fascination with the world coming to its doom. Is it perhaps that your realize your existence is wretched and miserable and perhaps you hope everyone to be down to your level?

hahaha excellent post

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2011, 06:58:29 PM »
No. It's because I read and I can see where the world is headed.

 Anyone who is well educated in environmental science, and the technologies that are coming in the future knows that it's VERY likely that a major catastrophe will happen.

 The environment is getting destroyed quickly right now. But you have to study and look hard to see it.

 Sea levels are rising.
 
 Then rainforests of South America and Africa are being destoryed quickly.

 Bio-diversity is dwindling quickly.

 Resources like oil, phosphate and other minerals are running low.

 Water shortages and major droughts are on the horizon.

 Climate change IS happening. Face it.

 Deadly viruses are being created in labs. If one escapes into the population, we're fucked.

 The list goes on and on. Mankind is in a place it's never been before. Most people choose to ignore these things and not thinkabout them though.
You will be long dead before that escalates to the level of seriousness that you fantasize about.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2011, 07:00:36 PM »
I always wondered how dumbbells think and now I know. Stop these bullshit threads.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2011, 07:03:08 PM »
The real problem now is that we are figuring people when they reach a certain level of confort lose interest in life. This is the real problem, as more and more people are reaching the middle class status. They dont want to reproduce and all end on anti depressants.

Capitalism has always existed. The social class war is a joke. People from low or middle class deserve to be where they are because of social and familial design; they cant be somewhere else. Those who are on top have been spawned and designed to be on top, and had luck. Blackfagredanus is a communist retard.

And the problem isnt environment either. Earth has existed and will exist after us. The problem is that mankind, the human specie, has modified its environment too fast and has troubles to adapt to the changes it produced. Basically we re still the same animals we were 1 million years ago but in environments that make no sense to us anymore.


Again read this...

Natural selection and the elusiveness of happiness
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1693419/pdf/15347525.pdf

This is good, we should create a social class where everyone is the same, no one richer, no one poorer.  Everyone will be content, no greed etc.  Start off by taking the rich down off their pedastal and putting them in a one two story house with 1 bedroom if they are 2 people or 2 bedrooms if they have a child.  No reason for extra extravagance, it doesn't make you happy after a certain level like you said.  Capitalism is bad for people.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2011, 07:07:43 PM »
This is good, we should create a social class where everyone is the same, no one richer, no one poorer.  Everyone will be content, no greed etc.  Start off by taking the rich down off their pedastal and putting them in a one two story house with 1 bedroom if they are 2 people or 2 bedrooms if they have a child.  No reason for extra extravagance, it doesn't make you happy after a certain level like you said.  Capitalism is bad for people.

The problem is you cannot stop evolution and natural selection, someone will always want to be smarter, stronger, faster. The only way to do it is to clone ourselves and then we would all be the same, to genetically engeener ourselves by programming our brains, chemicals, our bodies, internal organs, to be perfect forever. We would have to limit ourselves. But arent we all limited already by our genes, depending of what we got from our ancestors? We can all see everyday some people are just from a "better fit for survival" lineage while others are just spawned by mistake -most of humans-. Rich people mate together, poor people do the same.

Some hypothetize the human specie is a mistake of evolution, like the dinosaurs were. A branch of the tree that s not going anywhere. That we are TOO smart/intelligent. That only a dumber kind of life form could survive, not as dumb as dinosaurs who couldnt protect themselves from asteroids and other natural cataclysms, but not too smart either because at some point intelligence starts destroying itself for some reason, ultimate and constant confort making us feel....unhappy. Looks like working, exercizing, having a family (parents, grandparents), friends,a couple and kids are still the best natural way to produce a maximum amount of happy chemical reactions in our brains. This, too, has been designed by evolution after millions-billions- of years. But who knows, isnt the theory of evolution a mistake itself which only pretends to explain something it cannot explain?

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2011, 07:12:41 PM »
I always wondered how dumbbells think and now I know. Stop these bullshit threads.
nobody forces you to read them, old idiot.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2011, 07:31:50 PM »
Much like Y2K ... when fucking nothing happened ... I'll most likely be going to work on Dec. 12, 2012.

Nothing wrong with planning for the future if sh*t does indeed go down.

But, if the Mayans were right and we're talking total devastation, not much you can do anyway.

On the flip side, what are you doing to plan for your future if things don't come to an end?

When fucking nothing happens on 12/12/12, you're going to be sitting there with your dick in your hand wanking it on the Internets ... while the rest of us support your lazy asses by paying for sh*t like your healthcare and God knows what else we'll be expected to pay for.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2011, 07:38:13 PM »
exactly. Somehow the real fear is that... nothing happens. People are more scared by this "nothing". Especially noawadays they absolutely need to be "entertained" constantly. They re so used to seeing violence and sex that they ve become addicts who need even more violence and sex but at some point reach the limits and feel frustrated.
In fact they wish "something" would happen, as in tv soaps / movies. They might even provoke it to reassure themselves. We are preparing the atrocities of tomorow right now.

In my opinion the third world pouring into the northern , white, parts of the world will be the beginning of something ugly.

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« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2011, 07:59:21 PM »
exactly. Somehow the real fear is that... nothing happens. People are more scared by this "nothing". Especially noawadays they absolutely need to be "entertained" constantly. They re so used to seeing violence and sex that they ve become addicts who need even more violence and sex but at some point reach the limits and feel frustrated.
In fact they wish "something" would happen, as in tv soaps / movies. They might even provoke it to reassure themselves. We are preparing the atrocities of tomorow right now.

In my opinion the third world pouring into the northern , white, parts of the world will be the beginning of something ugly.
Is this why you think Osama being killed is a big conspiracy and that he has been dead for years? Because you can't bear the truth and the fantasies you make up are more entertaining?

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2011, 08:24:41 PM »
dont you have some steroids to inject or ingest?

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2011, 08:27:19 PM »
dont you have some steroids to inject or ingest?
Interesting why you are here uberman. You clearly are interested in health and fitness to some ends. Perhaps you had your previous aspirations of what could be obtained naturally crushed leading to extreme bitterness. This has seemed to subside a bit as of recent however. Due to what i don't know. Maybe your personal life isn't as bad as it was.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2011, 09:04:03 PM »
The problem is you cannot stop evolution and natural selection, someone will always want to be smarter, stronger, faster. The only way to do it is to clone ourselves and then we would all be the same, to genetically engeener ourselves by programming our brains, chemicals, our bodies, internal organs, to be perfect forever. We would have to limit ourselves. But arent we all limited already by our genes, depending of what we got from our ancestors? We can all see everyday some people are just from a "better fit for survival" lineage while others are just spawned by mistake -most of humans-. Rich people mate together, poor people do the same.

Some hypothetize the human specie is a mistake of evolution, like the dinosaurs were. A branch of the tree that s not going anywhere. That we are TOO smart/intelligent. That only a dumber kind of life form could survive, not as dumb as dinosaurs who couldnt protect themselves from asteroids and other natural cataclysms, but not too smart either because at some point intelligence starts destroying itself for some reason, ultimate and constant confort making us feel....unhappy. Looks like working, exercizing, having a family (parents, grandparents), friends,a couple and kids are still the best natural way to produce a maximum amount of happy chemical reactions in our brains. This, too, has been designed by evolution after millions-billions- of years. But who knows, isnt the theory of evolution a mistake itself which only pretends to explain something it cannot explain?

Good post

it isn't the 60's anymore though, woman get married to divorce on a dot for some dumb reason, then take the kids and all your money, feminism has ruined american woman.  It is un natural.


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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2011, 10:27:04 PM »
You know, Uberman, a little learning is a dangerous thing. You don't comprehend evolution at all. Read Darwin's Dangerous Idea by Daniel Dennett and stop posting rubbish.

You wrote: "This, too, has been designed by evolution after millions-billions- of years. But who knows, isnt the theory of evolution a mistake itself which only pretends to explain something it cannot explain?" Evolution doesn't design anything. Neither is there any purpose. Just survival of some who have qualities that help them. Darwin's theory explains how all living things evolved.



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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2011, 10:41:28 PM »
You know, Uberman, a little learning is a dangerous thing. You don't comprehend evolution at all. Read Darwin's Dangerous Idea by Daniel Dennett and stop posting rubbish.

You wrote: "This, too, has been designed by evolution after millions-billions- of years. But who knows, isnt the theory of evolution a mistake itself which only pretends to explain something it cannot explain?" Evolution doesn't design anything. Neither is there any purpose. Just survival of some who have qualities that help them. Darwin's theory explains how all living things evolved.




why do you write in blue please stop it's annoying, do you think your better than everyone else? 

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2011, 02:45:50 AM »
The real problem now is that we are figuring people when they reach a certain level of confort lose interest in life. This is the real problem, as more and more people are reaching the middle class status. They dont want to reproduce and all end on anti depressants.

Capitalism has always existed. The social class war is a joke. People from low or middle class deserve to be where they are because of social and familial design; they cant be somewhere else. Those who are on top have been spawned and designed to be on top, and had luck. Blackfagredanus is a communist retard.

And the problem isnt environment either. Earth has existed and will exist after us. The problem is that mankind, the human specie, has modified its environment too fast and has troubles to adapt to the changes it produced. Basically we re still the same animals we were 1 million years ago but in environments that make no sense to us anymore.


Again read this...

Natural selection and the elusiveness of happiness
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1693419/pdf/15347525.pdf

 Bullshit on that.

 Humans have been here for hundreds of thousands of years. Capitalism just came into the picture about ten thousand years ago.

 There are other systems that people can live in. People just don't want to accept them.

 And i'm NOT talking about Communism. Communism is stupid. I'm talking about going into anarchy and returning to a purely rural system in which huntingand gathering and living in balance with nature is the priority.
 
 It'll happen in one way or another. Unless the ruling class decides to kill 95% of the Earth's population, which very well might happen.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2011, 02:59:49 AM »
why do you write in blue please stop it's annoying, do you think your better than everyone else? 
This old homo thinks he's something special. He's an egomaniac and a complete fucking douchebag.

 He won Mr. Canada in 1970. But the contest was corrupt, he handpicked the judges and had the judes on his side all along. And that's why he doesn't have blue stars.

 He's a stupid asshole.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2011, 04:16:10 AM »
Good post

it isn't the 60's anymore though, woman get married to divorce on a dot for some dumb reason, then take the kids and all your money, feminism has ruined american woman.  It is un natural.


they re not happier than men, that's the funny thing. What's the point of having two different genders, if men do the same things as women and women do the same things as men? All women figure once the biological desire to have kids kick in they lied to themselves trying to become men, having a carreer etc.

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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2011, 06:01:06 AM »
Seems to me picking the judges is the opposite of being stupid. What a bunch of dorks on Getbig. Everyone seeing who can be the most objectionable to get pats on the back.

If I read something here that is original and intelligent I will fall over.  Don't post this shit about conspiracies, the end of the world or anything else gathered from internet dummies.


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Re: What's your strategy for when civilization collapses?
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2011, 06:07:49 AM »
Seems to me picking the judges is the opposite of being stupid. What a bunch of dorks on Getbig. Everyone seeing who can be the most objectionable to get pats on the back.

If I read something here that is original and intelligent I will fall over.  Don't post this shit about conspiracies, the end of the world or anything else gathered from internet dummies.



Good post.
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