DorianYates trains Evan Centopani at his Temple gym,May 2011

[suckmymuscle]

What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?

  No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.

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[funk51]

assisted tricep pressdowns what will they think of next. why not just use what you can handle in a controlled manner. the roids will do the rest.

[Nasty Nate]

  No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You like to exaggerate numbers don't you?

[suckmymuscle]

You like to exaggerate numbers don't you?

   What do you mean? I am not a powerlifter and I don't follow it, but I am assuming the raw World bench press record is around 750 to 800 lbs. I just used that as an example that training with huge weights and training intensely are not the same thing.

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[Nasty Nate]

   What do you mean? I am not a powerlifter and I don't follow it, but I am assuming the raw World bench press record is around 750 to 800 lbs. I just used that as an example that training with huge weights and training intensely are not the same thing.
SUCKMYMUSCLE

I agree with this

[G_Thang]

  No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

lets do this again.  yates would tear shit working out with ronnie.  ronnie would have little trouble with volume, given he'd use lighter weights like yates.  on the other hand, yates would tear shit doing 2500 presses, 800lb squats (suit or not), etc.  I wouldn't be surprise if yates passed out in the 100+ heat in arlington. 

ronnie could do this all day long in wet and cool merry england, but what about yates on a 110 degree day in arlington?

both are GREAT, better than Culter 

[PJim]

Believe me, Dorian is right when he says the weights are heavier at Temple, they really are!

[Anglo]

Ronnies a better trainer

[Palpatine Q]

Ronnie could handle dorians workout, Dorian cant hang with Ronnie. I think at first Ronnie would have a tough time with the negatives and forced reps, but he would adjust.

Dorian would never be able to move the weight Ronnie did

Fuck this "adjusting the weights" bullshit. If someone challenges me to do their workout, and i can't do exactly what they do....i can't do the workout, plain and simple.

[suckmymuscle]

lets do this again.  yates would tear shit working out with ronnie.  ronnie would have little trouble with volume, given he'd use lighter weights like yates.  on the other hand, yates would tear shit doing 2500 presses, 800lb squats (suit or not), etc.  I wouldn't be surprise if yates passed out in the 100+ heat in arlington.  

ronnie could do this all day long in wet and cool merry england, but what about yates on a 110 degree day in arlington?

both are GREAT, better than Culter

  What the fuck are you talking about? Volume? Dorian did less volume than Ronnie, not more. I am talking about intensity, which is defined by how far you take your training efforts - how far you take each set. Dorian took each set past failure, which Ronnie didn't. Understand? Probably not.

  And no shit Dorian would tear muscles if he tried to use Ronnie's weights, as his tendons and ligaments couldn't support those weights and they would tear. But guess what? Ronnie would also tear his muscles if he used weights no higher than Dorian's but pushed each set past failure with forced reps and negatives like Dorian did. You risk as much injury benching 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps and then 3 forces ones and 2 negative-only after that as you do from benching 500 lbs for 4 sloppy reps with spotters and stoping before failure like Ronnie did.

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[Sofa King]

Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...

Maybe... I'd say he'd gas before he could tear anything but with Dorian you never know.

[suckmymuscle]

Ronnie could handle dorians workout, Dorian cant hang with Ronnie. I think at first Ronnie would have a tough time with the negatives and forced reps, but he would adjust.

Dorian would never be able to move the weight Ronnie did

Fuck this "adjusting the weights" bullshit. If someone challenges me to do their workout, and i can't do exactly what they do....i can't do the workout, plain and simple.

  No, he couldn't. Why the fuck can't you morons understand this? Ronnie trained heavier; Dorian trained harder. Heavier does noT = harder. I am trying to make this simple for you guys to understand. A guy who benches 400 lbs to failure for six reps, then those 3 forced reps after that and then 2 negative-only reps after that is risking tearing his pecs as much or more than a guy who does a single for 750 lbs. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?

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[Palpatine Q]

 No, he couldn't. Why the fuck can't you morons understand this? Ronnie trained heavier; Dorian trained harder. Heavier does noT = harder. I am trying to make this simple for you guys to understand. A guy who benches 400 lbs to failure for six reps, then those 3 forced reps after that and then 2 negative-only reps after that is risking tearing his pecs as much or more than a guy who does a single for 750 lbs. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yes he could because he is stronger...using Dorians pussy weights he would breeze through it.

Dorian could never in a million years move the weight Ronnie did

[Palpatine Q]

 What the fuck are you talking about? Volume? Dorian did less volume than Ronnie, not more. I am talking about intensity, which is defined by how far you take your training efforts - how far you take each set. Dorian took each set past failure, which Ronnie didn't. Understand? Probably not.

  And no shit Dorian would tear muscles if he tried to use Ronnie's weights, as his tendons and ligaments couldn't support those weights and they would tear. But guess what? Ronnie would also tear his muscles if he used weights no higher than Dorian's but pushed each set past failure with forced reps and negatives like Dorian did. You risk as much injury benching 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps and then 3 forces ones and 2 negative-only after that as you do from benching 500 lbs for 4 sloppy reps with spotters and stoping before failure like Ronnie did.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with

[jdooly]

good post Musclecenter.  Dorian and Temple video's are great, plus Evan is cool. Side note, occasionally I do the pullover machine, and I do them underhand, cuz that's how Dorian does them!  lol.   I never see anyone even use this dinosaur piece of equipment.  Do any of you?

[Fortress]

A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout.
SUCKMYMUSCLE

Don't know much, do you? ...

a) The raw record, as it stands, is 715, by Scot Mendelson. And the pause for this lift (Coan gave the call) is HIGHLY questionable. However, 715 bench press raw is RIDICULOUS. Scot wants to re-set his mark in the very near future.

b) There are several ways to increase intensity. Using heavier resistance is one.

c) You admit you're not a powerlifter. If you ever had been, and a succcessful one at that, you would NOT talk the crap you do. A top-flight powerlifter's training sessions are EVERY bit as intense as those of a bodybuilder. In a different way, sure, but no less difficult and intense.  

[mesmorph78]

I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.

dumb mentality dorian had those lats because of his genetics... what he is doing isnt groundbreaking.... but bbers are weak minded folk... and always think .... there is more to working out than there is ..... it all comes down to genes dorian could tran arms from now till eternity he can never have arms like evans... why genetics....
thats why i respect ronnie just go in the gym and lift the fucking weight it not rocket science

[Fortress]

I am a fan of Dorian the bodybuilder ... and I have spoken with the man several times. Friendly dude.

However, to think what the man does in a workout is a main reason for what he achieved is ignorant. Dude knows how to train for bodybuilding, yes. And he was intense and hardcore. But most of what he became is the result of genetics and drugs. 

[Palpatine Q]

I am a fan of Dorian the bodybuilder ... and I have spoken with the man several times. Friendly dude.

However, to think what the man does in a workout is a main reason for what he achieved is ignorant. Dude knows how to train for bodybuilding, yes. And he was intense and hardcore. But most of what he became is the result of genetics and drugs. 

Thank You....the guy was dry and dense in his first contest, it's fucking genetics. His workouts are nothing innovative. I've done negatives...forced reps...drop sets...you name it. Any person who has been in this game for a while has done it all. Like he has the "magic' workout that gives you an insane back....fucking nonsense. 

[Nasty Nate]

assisted tricep pressdowns what will they think of next. why not just use what you can handle in a controlled manner. the roids will do the rest.

That's a pullover, moron. And Dorian is pushing it down the last few reps so that Evan can go to failure on the negative portion of the movement.

[el numero uno]

evan's arms look HUGE 

[tbombz]

99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 

ronnie didnt have the form dorian did, but ronnie knew how to back off, dorian didnt.

[Palpatine Q]

ronnie didnt have the form dorian did, but ronnie knew how to back off, dorian didnt.

Form means jack shit to a serious bodybuilder...it's all about putting the belly of the muscle under stress, and contraction.

[tbombz]

Form means jack shit to a serious bodybuilder...it's all about putting the belly of the muscle under stress, and contraction.

absolutely but you cant work the belly of the muscle effeciently without good form.  if you overload yourself with weight then you can work the target muscle even with bad form, but then your probably going to overtrain/undertrain.

[suckmymuscle]

Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with

  You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.

  And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.

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