DorianYates trains Evan Centopani at his Temple gym,May 2011

[Shockwave]

Yes.  I was just going to post this.  The superiority is in terms of less injury risk.  Agree with the other guys about the slight decline instead of the steep one.

Agree.
Dorian is a smart guy when it comes to theory.
Really like to hear his drug theories.

[Sofa King]

Dorians left arm is a brutal 15 inches now.... sucks that it derailed his domination of the Olympia, couldn't even do guest posings like Ronnie is after retiring.

[BIG_STI]

Here's the Weak little pussy Dorian's "perfect form"   inclines with 425.....he needs help on the second rep LOLOL .....No Fucking Comparison

You wouldn't be able to see you if that weak little pussy was standing in front of you

[HUGEPECS]

Agree.
Dorian is a smart guy when it comes to theory.
Really like to hear his drug theories.

for the Drug theories, well, just eat your Wheaties

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :


T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?

Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…

T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?

Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.

[GettingBig]

is this kinda like who will beat who ! Arnold Vs. Yates ! Ronnie Vs. Arnold ....? etc

Yates style and form or Ronnie ! Yates won 6 O's and Ronnie 8 O's ! whatever they did it worked for them who cares if its bad form or low intensity or light weight heavy weight ! everyone handles weights, training and intensity differently !

i went to a gym when i was traveling few weeks ago and a trainer came to me telling me to use a different style saying what im doing according to him is wrong, i didn't arguer at first and said what the hell let me try it show me and i felt something is wrong and i didnt like it at all i knew this is aint for me.

what im trying to say everyone is different as long as you growing and not feeling bad when doing a specific workout or handling a heaver weight !

but i do like Yates style when it comes to training and i like Ronnie crazy strength and i adopt from here and there along with my own.

i maybe wrong but isn't life about trial and error anyway !

[suckmymuscle]

Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :


T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?

Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…

T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?

Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.

  Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".

  And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Palpatine Q]

 Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".

  And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

This debate was over yesterday...you lost, deal with it.  I'm done owning you

[HUGEPECS]

Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :


T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?

Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…

T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?

Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.

I give Dorian an A+ for being honest. that, I like about any individual

[local hero]

This.....Ironically I started doing them after I read an article where Yates suggested them.

What I do is take two 25s and put them under one end of the bench....bingo

i disagree with most of which youve wrote on here,,,, but this is the way to get the most out of 'flat' movements, i prefer to use dumbbells, the range of motion and feel is incredible.

[mesmorph78]

List of pros stronger than Dorian
Kevin levrone
Ronnie Coleman
Chris Cormier
Johnnie Jackson
Evan centopani
Branch warren
Greg covacks
Brandon curry
Kai Greene
Off the top of my head

[local hero]

who cares,,, he's top percentage strong, he's helped thousands with his theories on training, one of the smarter bodybuilders who always conducts him self in a professional manner

[JP_RC]

Why the fixation on what pro was stronger than Dorian or who lifts the most? Its bodybuilding, not freaking powerlifting or strongman....its not about who is the strongest, its all about physique, muscular development.

Anyway Dorian still loses, because his physique was...... 

And I agree that Dorian's training was/is over hyped, like it had anything to do with his development. Its funny to see how many current pros train with him thinking its going to do something special for them.

[local hero]

when i switched from a volume type routine to a yates style routine i gained around a stone in 6 month,i totally changed visually and that was in my teens before gear, got nothing but praise for it


if im injury free its the only way i'll train, with niggles comes the need to do volume

[NarcissisticDeity]

 Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".

  And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Groinks trolling when he types that shit.

[Palpatine Q]

Groinks trolling when he types that shit.

You'd think with a 645 IQ he would be able to tell when someone is exaggerating for effect 

[Palpatine Q]

Why the fixation on what pro was stronger than Dorian or who lifts the most? Its bodybuilding, not freaking powerlifting or strongman....its not about who is the strongest, its all about physique, muscular development.

Anyway Dorian still loses, because his physique was...... 

And I agree that Dorian's training was/is over hyped, like it had anything to do with his development. Its funny to see how many current pros train with him thinking its going to do something special for them.

We aren't the ones with the fixation, we are just shooting down the bullshit that was posted.

Personally i could care less how strong anyone is except me, and it's not even my number one priority

[suckmymuscle]

This debate was over yesterday...you lost, deal with it.  I'm done owning you

  Lol, you got owned like a port whore on Fleet Day. Did you own me when you said that Dorian was "weak as shit" and I proved to you that Dorian is the strongest pro ever besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson? Did you own me when you said that Ronnie trained harfer than Dorian and I corrected you by pointing out that training hard and training heavy are two different things and that Ronnie's poundages would be much lower if he used strict form and rested little between sets like Yates? Did you own me when ND posted the interview where Dorian flat out says that he would have used much heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested longer between sets like Ronnie?

  You = fucking owned

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Palpatine Q]

 Lol, you got owned like a port whore on Fleet Day. Did you own me when you said that Dorian was "weak as shit" and I proved to you that Dorian is the strongest pro ever besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson? Did you own me when you said that Ronnie trained harfer than Dorian and I corrected you by pointing out that training hard and training heavy are two different things and that Ronnie's poundages would be much lower if he used strict form and rested little between sets like Yates? Did you own me when ND posted the interview where Dorian flat out says that he would have used much heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested longer between sets like Ronnie?

  You = fucking owned

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Stop whining already

[wes]

1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.

^THIS^

[suckmymuscle]

Stop whining already

  Groink, you got stomped, bro. Everyone can see that. But keep telling yourself whatever you want to feel better.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Shockwave]

^THIS^

I dont agree.
When I flat bench, my shoulders and tri's take over tremendously, I barely feel any pump in my chest whatsoever.
When I tried decline benching (after Dorian recommended it for this reason), I found my entire chest gets a gnarly pump and I feel a lot less in my shoulders and tris.

I tested this very scientifically.
I loaded a light weight I could pump out on the bar with ease (135), and pumped out reps until I could feel the muscles swell with blood.
I did one excercise to begin my chest workout one week, and the other the following week.
Pumping with the flat bench caused me to feel pumped in the shoulders/tris much more.
The decline made the whole pec feel pumped in a way I have never felt before, Ive always struggled at getting my pecs involved on benching movements.

I also did this test back to back one week, flat first, decline second, with the same result.
Barely felt it work the pecs with flat, DESTROYED the pec with decline.

IMHO Dorian was exactly correct, the function of the pec is to pull the arm forward and across the chest, and the decline does that perfectly IMHO. I tossed out flat bench entirely, replaced with decline.
A lot nicer to feel like youre actually working the muscle youre targeting, instead of just moving weight cause its the "flat bench"

[IceCold]

I'm one of the biggest dorian fans here, ronnie is stronger.

He comes from s powrliftng background, genetically stronger.

Ronnie would have to go lighter if followed dorians form.

Dorian would go heavier if he used ronnies form.

Same weights? I think pretty close.

By the way, weren't brian dobson's hands on the bar for all of ronnies reps in the redemption video....

[Jaime]

I'm pretty sure when the did tests for pectoral muscle stimulation decline came out top. It targets the pec a lot better.

[TRIX]

heavy weights = much more demanding

this slow strict movement with light weight is much easier

no doubt about it