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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 05:34:23 PM »
great

show us exactly how the stimulus pushed UE over 10%



Hahaha, you think I'm going to waste my Friday night digging up facts to support my claim? Nope. I'm out of here in 10 minutes.

But all I need to really do to prove my point is ask you to show me where all those the shovel-ready jobs are. Because you and I both know you can't answer that as those "jobs" are long gone. The stimulus was billed by Obama as essential to keeping unemployment under 8%. UE went to 10% and over in the months after. UE6 still at 16%. Thanks for playing.

Why don't you prove that the reckless liberal spending is actually fixing the economy? After all, you're the guy who thinks Obama isn't spending enough and you clearly know better than Moody's, the IMF and every other economic expert on the planet not named Paul Krugman.


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 05:36:05 PM »
Hahaha, you think I'm going to waste my Friday night digging up facts to support my claim? Nope. All I need to do is ask you where the shovel-ready jobs are? Because you and I both know you can't answer that as those "jobs" are long gone.

Why don't you prove that the reckless liberal spending is actually fixing the economy? After all, you're the guy who thinks Obama isn't spending enough and you clearly know better than Moody's, the IMF and every other economic expert on the planet not named Paul Krugman.



of course not

I expect you to throw out Republican talking points that you have no clue how to support and then run away when challenged for some details

just like you always do


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 05:36:32 PM »
CONGRATULATIONS LIBERALS!! This is another example of what 4.5 years of Progressive Legislation looks like.

Obama 2009: "The stimulus will create thousands of shovel-ready jobs"

Obama 2010: "There is no such thing as a shovel-ready job" (NY Times interview).

RECORD Unemployment

RECORD Foreclosures

RECORD Poverty Rates

RECORD Food Stamps

RECORD Business Failures

RECORD Gas Prices

RECORD Personal Bankruptcies

RECORD Low Average Salaries

RECORD Inflation (food prices rising rapidly)

RECORD Car Repossessions

RECORD Welfare

RECORD Stale Housing Market

RECORD Low Dollar Value

RECORD Low U.S. Credit Rating

RECORD Debt

RECORD Deficit

of course not

I expect you to throw out Republican talking points that you have no clue how to support and then run away when challenged for some details

just like you always do



I can't think of a single instance of you ever actually supporting a point of yours with facts.  :)

Sadly, you're a typical pussy who avoids threads asking you to do just that.


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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 05:41:42 PM »
now show us how exactly how the stimulus pushed UE over 10%

that was your claim right?


The nearly $1 trillion stimulus bill that did NOTHING but push unemployment over 10%.  :)


let's see some proof of your claim



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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 07:07:16 PM »
1.  Bush crashes economy

2.  Obama makes it ten times worse

3.  Romney claims he will bring change and fiscal responsibility to get elected then he will continue the same policies of the previous two

They all work for the same people

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2011, 07:14:38 PM »
1.  Bush crashes economy

2.  Obama makes it ten times worse

3.  Romney claims he will bring change and fiscal responsibility to get elected then he will continue the same policies of the previous two

They all work for the same people



Getbig is stuck in the left-right dichotomy....
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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2011, 07:34:24 PM »
no the economy took massive shit under obama

bailouts 0.5 T before obama 5.0 after

thanks dems!!

20% unemployment

bigger more expensive governmetn everywhere

government fails at everything

we now have gov spending more than ever in hsitory

thank obama u fuckup!!

onyl good thing he ever said was isael back to 1967 border adn palestine state


Bush got the ball rolling for his buddy Obama.  You can't deny that.  An establishment republican is the same thing as an establishment democrat.  The overall policy hasn't changed in 70 years. 
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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2011, 07:39:18 PM »
Getbig is stuck in the left-right dichotomy....

Yep.  Amazing that people think that by electing Romney things will change.  We need an honest independent or a true constitutional conservative 
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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2011, 12:04:57 AM »
This isn't about romney but the authors' bogus claim that obama did not make matters worse.  I know the msm is in the tank for obama - but come on - this article is beyond ludicrous. 

By almost every single objective measure things aee drastically worse.

To claim otherwise is pure nonsense.   

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2011, 04:02:26 AM »
 ::)

How can anyone consider this garbage news?

Romney's claims versus a team of neutered liberal pundits opinions would be more of an accurate title.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2011, 05:44:33 AM »
They try to point out that job losses did peak and start to decline shortly after he became president. But this is just a function of the economy falling far enough to correct itself. It has nothing to do with Obama. For the final 3 months of Bush's presidency, the market was realitively calm. There was no more bad news coming out of the financial sector. It didnt start crashing again until Obama became president, his innagural address, and the day he signed that disasterious stimulus bill. I would argue that Obama was dealt the perfect deck of cards. He inherited the economy at a point in which it had already corrected itself. It is absolutly unacceptable to be stuck at 10% unemployment for 2 years. The very fact that the unemployemnt rate hasnt risen above 10% means the economy corrected itself. Therefore, it should be growing atleast at somewhat of a pace. But its not. ITs stuck.  Interest rates are at all time lows, Therefore, there is no excuse for the lack of job growth.
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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2011, 06:02:16 AM »
Obamacare, dodd frank, playing games on the taxes, card check, crazy sc picks, rampant inflation, epa madness, etc have all injected a huge amount of uncertainty into the economy to where businesses refuse to hire anyone. 

This is squarely on obama.  To claim he did not make matters worse is so laughable and absurd its beyond words.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2011, 06:26:55 AM »
liberal agenda = trying to fix the disaster of the past 8 years of Republican policy



You are nitwit. Obama inherited an economy at 7% UE. Three years into his presidency it is at over 9%. You liberals judge a President by comparing the present with the past. I.E. Economy under Bush to what he inherited from Clinton. When the same is done with Obama, then he should be found responsible for making the economy worst. There is nothing Bush did to still affect the economy 3 years after he left office. There is no such residual effect from any of his legislations. The only legislation that was still in effect when Obama took office had to do with taxes and Obama and Dems had a choice whether to renew it or not.  Basically, you are pretty stupid to still blame Bush for anything. Especially when Dems had control of Congress the last 2 years of Bush's presidency in which he was a lame duck president and even with all that, he left the economy at a much lower UE than it is now.  

Educate yourself:
Editorial: Jobs Slump — It's The Policy, Stupid
 
Posted 06/03/2011 07:00 PM ET
 

Recession: Two years into a "recovery," the unemployment rate leaps to 9.1% and just 54,000 new jobs are created. Is this just "bumps on the road to recovery," as the White House insists, or something more dangerous?

This has been the most miserable recovery in modern history. Not only are there not enough jobs being created, but also the economy itself looks to be stalling.

Gross domestic product grew a paltry 1.8% during the first quarter, and most economists expect something similar for the second quarter. Double dip? It's possible.

As we noted earlier last week before the new jobs data came out, the U.S. is already in a growth recession — defined as an economy that's growing too slowly to keep unemployment from rising.

Yet the Obama administration is crowing about its accomplishments as if slowing growth and rising joblessness have nothing to do with its bad policies.

"The initiatives put in place by this administration — such as the payroll tax cut and business incentives for investment — have contributed to solid employment growth overall this year, but this report is a reminder of the challenges that remain," said Austan Goolsbee, Obama's top economic adviser.

"Solid employment growth"? Since the end of last year, job growth has averaged 130,500 a month — about the number of people who enter the workforce each month. That's not "solid" enough.

By the way, the unemployment rate has been below 9% for just five months since Obama took office — and three of those months were in the first 12 weeks of his presidency, before his policies took effect.

Even so, President Obama on Friday visited Chrysler workers, lauding the government's bailout for the re-emergence of the auto industry, which has added 113,000 jobs over the last two years.

What he didn't say was that GM, the bailout's poster boy, lost taxpayers $14 billion, and the total cost of his stimulus and bailout plan has now risen to $830 billion.

Obama was unflappable. "This economy took a big hit — it's taking a while to mend," he told Chrysler workers, reciting high gas prices, Japan's earthquake and the Mideast as the "head winds" facing the economy.

How about the head wind of bad government policies that, based on Congressional Budget Office data, have cost the economy over $760 billion in lost economic output in the past two years — and millions of jobs?

This lost output is the Obamanomics growth tax. Too much tinkering, too much debt, too much spending.

"By failing to alleviate the uncertainty businesses are feeling, Washington continues to stifle hiring," said Chamber of Commerce economist Martin Regalia.

This "uncertainty," by the way, is why businesses, with their $2 trillion in cash, stay on the sidelines. At this point in a recovery, they should be adding hundreds of thousands of workers each month.

That they aren't is a damning indictment of Obama's big-spending, high-debt, Keynesian strategy that has emerged as one of the great failures of economic policy-making in modern times.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/574400/201106031900/US-Jobs-Hole-Just-Got-Deeper.htm



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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2011, 06:32:07 AM »
When a president and his advisers stand in front of that nation and claim that their stimulus bill is needed to keep UE at 8% or lower and the opposite occurs, guess what? That legislation is the problem. That is why Obama is directly at fault for the current failing economy. They introduced the Stim Bill and ever since the economy has been terrible. That is the direct link. How can anyone continue to stupidly deny it?

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2011, 06:33:41 AM »
When a president and his advisers stand in front of that nation and claim that their stimulus bill is needed to keep UE at 8% or lower and the opposite occurs, guess what? That legislation is the problem. That is why Obama is directly at fault for the current failing economy. They introduced the Stim Bill and ever since the economy has been terrible. That is the direct link. How can anyone continue to stupidly deny it?

Because it's a choice.   Straw, blackass, mal, Andre Benny et al will never admit their brilliant Harvard lawyer genius messiah is a failure. 

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2011, 06:48:46 AM »
3333, these liberals are so stupid.

If it is still Bush's fault, then I guess once the economy picks up, Bush should get credit for it. I mean, when exactly does Bush's influence ends? Why would it end once the economy recovers? If Bush's legislations were so far reaching, maybe those legislations needed 4 or 5 years after he left office to have positive results.

Yesterday, I heard Obama's press secretary brag about having 14 months of positive job growth. All of the sudden that is good enough. How come it wasn't good enough when there were 52 straight months of job growth under Bush? Liberals have to be the dumbest people in the world.

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Re: Mitt Romney's Economic Claims vs. The Facts
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2011, 06:51:53 AM »
3333, these liberals are so stupid.

If it still Bush's fault, then I guess once the economy picks up Bush should get credit for it. I mean, when exactly does Bush's influence ends? Why would it end once the economy recovers? If Bush's legislations were so far reaching, maybe those legislations needed 4 or 5 years after he left office to have positive results.

Yesterday, I heard Obama's press secretary brag about having 14 months of positive job growth. All of the sudden that is good enough. How come it wasn't good enough when there were 52 straight months of job growth under Bush? Liberals have to be the dumbest people in the world.

Remember when ue was five percent and the libs were screaming about all the jobs being fast food jobs?    Ha ha ha.