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True definition of breaking through a plateau
« on: June 04, 2011, 09:52:20 PM »
the true defition of breaking through platue,,

this is again in regarding the known lie that plateau is breaken with new extra weight,,not the case!

platue in bodybuild is always breaken with the addition of hormones,,DOSES ,, and products when truly advanced bodybuild,,

when you maxed at trenbolona and propionets at 200lb 6% ,,only thing that will push you to 220 6% will be addition of testosterona with longer esters and gh ,, ofcourse there is small brekas in platue and big breaks,,

the higher the bodyfat is the smaler the break will be and should be ,, the lower bodyfat is the bigger the break wil be and should be ,,

example ,,from trenbolona ace and propioneta at respecivly 100mg/150mg every 2 day of each ,,200lb 6% bodybuild should break the latue with 1-1.5 gram of testosterona longer easter or sustanona with adujstable dose of legit hgh,, this will take the bodybuld to new 220lb 6% status

if bodybuild is 205lb 10% he should break the platue with lighter doses since he is smaller than the 200lb 6%,,he should add testosterona and  gh at lower doses inorder to work on the quality along with the size,,it wil be a slower process of growth but it can be done at higher bodyfat it just need to be tackled with LOWER DOSES

the fellas who need to blast on doses are the lower bodyfat fellas,,the ones who start 6-7% they will have the biggest break in platue and the most gained lean muscle with no fat when gh is in,,

so to conclude this ,,

breaking of platue has nothing to do with weights,,the weights increase come when the body is primed to growth and start growing even if not completely noticable yet,,but the major part of the equation si to increaese doses of testosterona to the grams ,,and yes i mean 1-2 grams ,,it is nothing ,,1-2 grams its nothing comparing to 2-3 grams many do ,,then ofcourse the higher grams the more gh you need so make sure you have enough legit gh if you decide to work with 2-3 grams,,1-1.5 grams a week go well with 6-12 iu  a day ,, over 1.5 grams need more gh to unilize most efficiently ,,15 iu gh come with 1.5-3 grams testosterona,,and ofcourse 20-30 and over come with insulina and insulina  is always there

ok hope this is understood,,also dont evrr forget your anabolics,,it is very importanto to make sure the anabolics are there big time ,,you want to put eq 300 mg inject together with nppiona 100 mg inject in same syrnge and shoot ,,you want to ad trenboolona and little masterona on the other ass cheek ,, so you dont get too soft and that you have the nasty factor that only trenbolona gives,,remember that pupils

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 12:24:46 AM »
I am putting my fucking foot down. You do not break through plateaus by adding more juice you fucking monkey. There are MANY ways to do it, and what do you do for a natural trainer?

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 12:26:41 AM »
he injure himself!,,there is no natural bodybuild ,,i said it over and over,,no true naturals,,

breaking through platue and actualy growing ,,is only a matter of legit doses of hormones,,

the faster you get it the better bodybuild you will be

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 12:29:18 AM »
I am putting my fucking foot down. You do not break through plateaus by adding more juice you fucking monkey. There are MANY ways to do it, and what do you do for a natural trainer?

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 12:32:11 AM »
Well upping the dose is surely a way and probably the easiest and fastest, but i don't know if it is the smartest way to up your dose for every plateau.

There's surely other possibilities.

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 12:50:16 AM »
this is not regarding upping platue of weight that is stuck on a barbell and you try to lift heavier!!,, this is platue of bodybuild stuck in same lean size and can not improve,,it is regarding the bodybuild look not regarding what the bodybuild can lift,,

as it was mentioned before

STRENGTH DOES NOT = MUSCLE SIZE!

matt c would have been mr o if it was the case,, and i bring matt c because name is catchy ,,but lay nortin would hav ebeen mr o if strength was = muscle size,,

usually the stronger fellas are the stiffier ones,,the ones who their muscles are not well bellied ,,

the breaking platue is inregard to bodybuild look aka weight and size! mainly size because weight by itself mean nothing,,size ,,conditioned size ! thats what its about

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 12:53:46 AM »
this is not regarding upping platue of weight that is stuck on a barbell and you try to lift heavier!!,, this is platue of bodybuild stuck in same lean size and can not improve,,it is regarding the bodybuild look not regarding what the bodybuild can lift,,

as it was mentioned before

STRENGTH DOES NOT = MUSCLE SIZE!

matt c would have been mr o if it was the case,, and i bring matt c because name is catchy ,,but lay nortin would hav ebeen mr o if strength was = muscle size,,

usually the stronger fellas are the stiffier ones,,the ones who their muscles are not well bellied ,,

the breaking platue is inregard to bodybuild look aka weight and size! mainly size because weight by itself mean nothing,,size ,,conditioned size ! thats what its about

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Matt C is actually pretty weak & has zero muscles. All "retard strength".
...But I agree with the rest. "Natural" trainers hit plateaus quickly, and almost never break free of them. When they try, they get injured. There's almost no way to argue against this.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 01:11:50 AM »
Matt C is actually pretty weak & has zero muscles. All "retard strength".
...But I agree with the rest. "Natural" trainers hit plateaus quickly, and almost never break free of them. When they try, they get injured. There's almost no way to argue against this.

Nothing to argue with this, as a natural, you will hit a plateau one day.

You might think you can break it, eat more, get fatter and think you did it, but when you diet down, you're were you were before.

In this regard, it's really a question of doing steroids or not.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 02:30:04 AM »
Matt C is actually pretty weak & has zero muscles. All "retard strength".
...But I agree with the rest. "Natural" trainers hit plateaus quickly, and almost never break free of them. When they try, they get injured. There's almost no way to argue against this.


Pure idiocy contained in this post.

Find me a natural, hell ten naturals who have hit a plateau and I will see them through it WITHOUT DRUGS.

What the fuck is wrong with you people???

When I was a kid I hit plateaus all the time and crushed them! That's how you fucking grow people! I didn't touch gear till I was 22 or so, and even up till that time I never had an issue growing. I was 110lbs when I was 14 and 230 at 22, never during that time did I ever stop growing and I have only one injury in my life, an ankle I sprained about 7 weeks ago trying to catch a fucking train.

You fucking people amaze me.

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2011, 03:00:38 AM »

Pure idiocy contained in this post.

Find me a natural, hell ten naturals who have hit a plateau and I will see them through it WITHOUT DRUGS.

What the fuck is wrong with you people???

When I was a kid I hit plateaus all the time and crushed them! That's how you fucking grow people! I didn't touch gear till I was 22 or so, and even up till that time I never had an issue growing. I was 110lbs when I was 14 and 230 at 22, never during that time did I ever stop growing and I have only one injury in my life, an ankle I sprained about 7 weeks ago trying to catch a fucking train.

You fucking people amaze me.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 03:05:46 AM »
Dick cheese - you got fatter you did not grow more muscle - HTH  ::)

Keep telling yourself I am an internet liar and that any weight I gained was bodyfat. That will quiet the insecurities, if only for tonight, right?

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 03:16:32 AM »
Keep telling yourself I am an internet liar and that any weight I gained was bodyfat. That will quiet the insecurities, if only for tonight, right?

Right?

No dude its fact - you get to a certain point as a natural where muscular bodyweight just stops and any weight gained is a combo of water fat and maybe if you are lucky a few more ounces of lean tissue - thats when its time to jump on the hormone train.. do most naturals ever reach there full genetic potential ? i would say no - but you have stated you trained with full on intensity and followed the right diet so once at that level it is game over for more lean tissue unless of course you look to the pharma route be it AAS or pro hormones/steroids

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2011, 03:19:24 AM »
Keep telling yourself I am an internet liar and that any weight I gained was bodyfat. That will quiet the insecurities, if only for tonight, right?

Right?

Well obviously after you start training you gain a certain amount of muscle, reach plateaus and break them, and gain some more muscle, but seriously, how much will that be?

I think that if a natural gains 10-15kg from where he originally started, it's as good as it gets. Maybe some people are able to gain 20kg if they started really small and skinny, but after that you will only be able to progress with steroids.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 03:28:27 AM »
Natural limits are VERY strict, and there's simply no way to bust through 'the final plateau' without jumping on some kind of exogenous hormone. One can try, but will simply end up fat, ugly, and injured.
That. Fucking. Simple.

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 03:35:13 AM »
Well obviously after you start training you gain a certain amount of muscle, reach plateaus and break them, and gain some more muscle, but seriously, how much will that be?

I think that if a natural gains 10-15kg from where he originally started, it's as good as it gets. Maybe some people are able to gain 20kg if they started really small and skinny, but after that you will only be able to progress with steroids.

Good post

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 03:49:15 AM »
I've mentioned this before but I think it's worth mentioning again. Back in the 1980s when aas was legal and you could get them from a doctor one of the main doctors at the time, Dr. Walzak (sp?), who had an office in Sherman Oaks and catered to all the major bodybuilders from Redondo Beach on up North, whereas that other more famous Dr. (I forget his name lol) took care of everybody in Orange County on South, gave an informal seminar in our gym regarding steroids. He was very good friends with the owner of our gym in Torrance, CA, Mr. Barlow. I was pretty naive at the time and it was only years later that I found out they were a couple of old queens deep in the schmoe business.

His protocol was that you need at the very least, 3 years of hard serious training, but preferred five years. Obviously, if you start at 12 years old he doesn't believe you should be on hormones at 17 yrs. but gave an ideal as someone who starts at say 14-15 and trains consistently and seriously. Then by the time he's 19-20 he's ready to see him. He believe that if you know what you are doing and train correctly and get the proper rest and nutrition you will max out muscle size wise after about at most five years though most max out sooner. You can make dramatic changes in body weight but very little in actual muscle.

Someone asked him about cycling. How long one should stay on AAS before going off and allowing the body to "normalize." He kind of smiled and said that you stay on for as long as you want to keep on growing. "But what about this 6-8 week cycles and then taking 6-8 weeks off to allow your body to "fire back up" it's nature production and allow the "receptors" to "freshen" up?" He just shook his head and said nonsense.

He put it like this: Say you are at a certain weight, maybe 180 lbs, and you maintain that weight eating 2,500 calories a day. If you want to gain weight you have to increase those calories. And say you increase those calories by 1000 your weight will increase up to a point, say 200 lbs before it stabilizes. Now if you "cycle" and go back down to 2,500 calories your weight will slowly drop back down to your original 180 lbs. You have to maintain that new 3,500 calories if you want to maintain the 200 lb body weight. Now if you want to continue to gain more you then have to increase your calories even further.

Though he admitted it wasn't a perfect analogy he really wanted to drive home the point that even under idea conditions you will reach a natural limit in muscle size fairly quickly. If you want to increase muscle mass after reaching your natural limit you have to take AAS. And taking a certain amount will get you to a certain size tough it varies among individuals. When you go off, or cycle, you will simply go back down to your original nature limit of muscle size just like your weight will go back down to 180 lbs when you go back down to your original 2,500 caloric intake. He pointed out that it doesn't necessarily mean you will lose weight, though eventually you will, but that you will lose muscle size. That's what is happening when trainees say that they maintain their body weight, even most of their strength, when off they just get softer. It really means that they are slowly losing muscle and the softness comes from the increase fat due to the caloric intake not being reduced.

So he believed that if you want to go this route you better be willing to be in it for the long haul because you should never go off. He believed that cycling was actually bad for the body. The constant hormonal fluctuations. You either decide you want to be an enhance bodybuilder and exceed your natural limits or stay a natural and accept your natural limits. If you want to continue to grow beyond your natural limits you have to take anabolic compounds and when you go off you will lose all your gains eventually.

And just like you will reach a sticking point in weight at a certain caloric surplus and have to further increase caloric consumption if you want to gain still more weight. You will also reach a sticking point at a certain level of anabolic dosage and will have to increase that dosage if you want to make further gains.

In summary, once you have training, nutrition and rest down pat and know what you are doing you will reach a nature limit very fast. And it won't be much. He estimated maybe 20 pounds at most for someone around 5'9 or 5'10. This is 20 pounds of real lean muscle tissue. After that it's how much anabolics you ingest.

Now this was back in the early 1980s, I think it was 1983, where everybody talked in terms of cycling, as they still do now. But he was pretty clear: adding anabolic compounds is absolutely necessary to increase muscle growth beyond normal levels, increase dosage if you want to get larger, and you will start to lose muscle when you go off no matter what you do and eventually lose everything if you go off completely. And off course caloric intake and training is a given.  

His starting protocol was 200mg of Deca and 3 Ciba dianabol tablets, 15mg/day. He did recommend cycling orals only because of liver health. And you just go from there. No testosterona was mentioned.      

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 03:50:12 AM »
Well obviously after you start training you gain a certain amount of muscle, reach plateaus and break them, and gain some more muscle, but seriously, how much will that be?

I think that if a natural gains 10-15kg from where he originally started, it's as good as it gets. Maybe some people are able to gain 20kg if they started really small and skinny, but after that you will only be able to progress with steroids.

I truly do not believe this. Obviously muscle becomes harder to come by, but one can always be growing. Maybe less than you'd like...And also, GH15 did not say this was "busting through the limits of natural growth", he is saying if you aren't growing on juice the only answer is- MORE JUICE!!! Let's not examine diet, training, rest and recovery etc. NO NO NO- UP THE DOSAGE!!!

What a load of crap.

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 03:51:36 AM »
I've mentioned this before but I think it's worth mentioning again. Back in the 1980s when aas was legal and you could get them from a doctor one of the main doctors at the time, Dr. Walzak (sp?), who had an office in Woodland Hills and catered to all the major bodybuilders from Redondo Beach on up North, whereas that other more famous Dr. (I forget his name lol) took care of everybody in Orange County on South, gave an informal seminar in our gym regarding steroids. He was very good friends with the owner of out gym in Torrance, CA, Mr. Barlow. I was pretty naive at the time and it was only years later that I found out they were a couple of old queens deep in the schmoe business.

His protocol was that you need at the very least, 3 years of hard serious training, but preferred five years. Obviously, if you start at 12 years old he doesn't believe you should be on hormones at 17 yrs. but gave an ideal as someone who starts at say 14-15 and trains consistently and seriously. Then by the time he's 19-20 he's ready to see him. He believe that if you know what you are doing and train correctly and get the proper rest and nutrition you will max out muscle size wise after about at most five years though most max out sooner. You can make dramatic changes in body weight but very little in actual muscle.

Someone asked him about cycling. How long one should stay on AAS before going off and allowing the body to "normalize." He kind of smiled and said that you stay on for as long as you want to keep on growing. "But what about this 6-8 week cycles and then taking 6-8 weeks off to allow your body to "fire back up" it's nature production and allow the "receptors" to "freshen" up?" He just shook his head and said nonsense.

He put it like this: Say you are at a certain weight, maybe 180 lbs, and you maintain that weight eating 2,500 calories a day. If you want to gain weight you have to increase those calories. And say you increase those calories by 1000 your weight will increase up to a point, say 200 lbs before it stabilizes. Now if you "cycle" and go back down to 2,500 calories your weight will slowly drop back down to your original 180 lbs. You have to maintain that new 3,500 calories if you want to maintain the 200 lb body weight. Now if you want to continue to gain more you then have to increase your calories even further.

Though he admitted it wasn't a perfect analogy he really wanted to drive home the point that even under idea conditions you will reach a natural limit in muscle size fairly quickly. If you want to increase muscle mass after reaching your natural limit you have to take AAS. And taking a certain amount will get you to a certain size tough it varies among individuals. When you go off, or cycle, you will simply go back down to your original nature limit of muscle size just like your weight will go back down to 180 lbs when you go back down to your original 2,500 caloric intake. He pointed out that it doesn't necessarily mean you will lose weight, though eventually you will, but that you will lose muscle size. That's what is happening when trainees say that they maintain their body weight, even most of their strength, when off they just get softer. It really means that they are slowly losing muscle and the softness comes from the increase fat due to the caloric intake not being reduced.

So he believed that if you want to go this route you better be willing to be in it for the long haul because you should never go off. He believed that cycling was actually bad for the body. The constant hormonal fluctuations. You either decide you want to be an enhance bodybuilder and exceed your natural limits or stay a natural and accept your natural limits. If you want to continue to grow beyond your natural limits you have to take anabolic compounds and when you go off you will lose all your gains eventually.

And just like you will reach a sticking point in weight at a certain caloric surplus and have to further increase caloric consumption if you want to gain still more weight. You will also reach a sticking point at a certain level of anabolic dosage and will have to increase that dosage if you want to make further gains.

In summary, once you have training, nutrition and rest down pat and know what you are doing you will reach a nature limit very fast. And it won't be much. He estimated maybe 20 pounds at most for someone around 5'9 or 5'10. This is 20 pounds of real lean muscle tissue. After that it's how much anabolics you ingest.

Now this was back in the early 1980s, I think it was 1983, where everybody talked in terms of cycling, as they still do now. But he was pretty clear: adding anabolic compounds is absolutely necessary to increase muscle growth beyond normal levels, increase dosage if you want to get larger, and you will start to lose muscle when you go off no matter what you do and eventually lose everything if you go off completely. And off course caloric intake and training is a given.  

His starting protocol was 200mg of Deca and 3 Ciba dianabol tablets, 15mg/day. He did recommend cycling orals only because of liver health. And you just go from there. No testosterona was mentioned.      

Brilliant post. Thanks for that.

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 03:54:37 AM »
I've mentioned this before but I think it's worth mentioning again. Back in the 1980s when aas was legal and you could get them from a doctor one of the main doctors at the time, Dr. Walzak (sp?), who had an office in Woodland Hills and catered to all the major bodybuilders from Redondo Beach on up North, whereas that other more famous Dr. (I forget his name lol) took care of everybody in Orange County on South, gave an informal seminar in our gym regarding steroids. He was very good friends with the owner of out gym in Torrance, CA, Mr. Barlow. I was pretty naive at the time and it was only years later that I found out they were a couple of old queens deep in the schmoe business.

His protocol was that you need at the very least, 3 years of hard serious training, but preferred five years. Obviously, if you start at 12 years old he doesn't believe you should be on hormones at 17 yrs. but gave an ideal as someone who starts at say 14-15 and trains consistently and seriously. Then by the time he's 19-20 he's ready to see him. He believe that if you know what you are doing and train correctly and get the proper rest and nutrition you will max out muscle size wise after about at most five years though most max out sooner. You can make dramatic changes in body weight but very little in actual muscle.

Someone asked him about cycling. How long one should stay on AAS before going off and allowing the body to "normalize." He kind of smiled and said that you stay on for as long as you want to keep on growing. "But what about this 6-8 week cycles and then taking 6-8 weeks off to allow your body to "fire back up" it's nature production and allow the "receptors" to "freshen" up?" He just shook his head and said nonsense.

He put it like this: Say you are at a certain weight, maybe 180 lbs, and you maintain that weight eating 2,500 calories a day. If you want to gain weight you have to increase those calories. And say you increase those calories by 1000 your weight will increase up to a point, say 200 lbs before it stabilizes. Now if you "cycle" and go back down to 2,500 calories your weight will slowly drop back down to your original 180 lbs. You have to maintain that new 3,500 calories if you want to maintain the 200 lb body weight. Now if you want to continue to gain more you then have to increase your calories even further.

Though he admitted it wasn't a perfect analogy he really wanted to drive home the point that even under idea conditions you will reach a natural limit in muscle size fairly quickly. If you want to increase muscle mass after reaching your natural limit you have to take AAS. And taking a certain amount will get you to a certain size tough it varies among individuals. When you go off, or cycle, you will simply go back down to your original nature limit of muscle size just like your weight will go back down to 180 lbs when you go back down to your original 2,500 caloric intake. He pointed out that it doesn't necessarily mean you will lose weight, though eventually you will, but that you will lose muscle size. That's what is happening when trainees say that they maintain their body weight, even most of their strength, when off they just get softer. It really means that they are slowly losing muscle and the softness comes from the increase fat due to the caloric intake not being reduced.

So he believed that if you want to go this route you better be willing to be in it for the long haul because you should never go off. He believed that cycling was actually bad for the body. The constant hormonal fluctuations. You either decide you want to be an enhance bodybuilder and exceed your natural limits or stay a natural and accept your natural limits. If you want to continue to grow beyond your natural limits you have to take anabolic compounds and when you go off you will lose all your gains eventually.

And just like you will reach a sticking point in weight at a certain caloric surplus and have to further increase caloric consumption if you want to gain still more weight. You will also reach a sticking point at a certain level of anabolic dosage and will have to increase that dosage if you want to make further gains.

In summary, once you have training, nutrition and rest down pat and know what you are doing you will reach a nature limit very fast. And it won't be much. He estimated maybe 20 pounds at most for someone around 5'9 or 5'10. This is 20 pounds of real lean muscle tissue. After that it's how much anabolics you ingest.

Now this was back in the early 1980s, I think it was 1983, where everybody talked in terms of cycling, as they still do now. But he was pretty clear: adding anabolic compounds is absolutely necessary to increase muscle growth beyond normal levels, increase dosage if you want to get larger, and you will start to lose muscle when you go off no matter what you do and eventually lose everything if you go off completely. And off course caloric intake and training is a given.  

His starting protocol was 200mg of Deca and 3 Ciba dianabol tablets, 15mg/day. He did recommend cycling orals only because of liver health. And you just go from there. No testosterona was mentioned.      

This is a load of crap! If you train while on gear and build muscle, you do not lose it because you go off cycle. If this were true, I would have slowly disintegrated after I came off. My bodyweight shot down to around 205-210, and after some time back up into the 220's. I now weigh in the low 200's without even working out, pretty lean maybe 9-10%. Before I dieted down I maintained the 220's for YEARS.

Steroids build permanent muscle if you train properly.

I just hate this entire thread, and the attitude of the forum is sickening to say the least.

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 03:59:36 AM »
This is a load of crap! If you train while on gear and build muscle, you do not lose it because you go off cycle. If this were true, I would have slowly disintegrated after I came off. My bodyweight shot down to around 205-210, and after some time back up into the 220's. I now weigh in the low 200's without even working out, pretty lean maybe 9-10%. Before I dieted down I maintained the 220's for YEARS.

Steroids build permanent muscle if you train properly.

I just hate this entire thread, and the attitude of the forum is sickening to say the least.

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Pretty tough for you to come to terms with the truth, eh? It sounds as though you HAVE slowly disintegrated after you came off... After all, you're not sitting at a lean 230lbs anymore, are you?  Besides, have you seen what happens to pros (and regular people) who were on juice for a while and then go off?
You need to try to wrap your head around the true nature of things. Steroid gains are not forever, but steroids are the ONLY way to attain a respectable 200lb+ physique.

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2011, 04:11:19 AM »
Bodyweight doesn't say too much, coz the difference btw say 200 @ 15% compared to 200 @ 6% is a HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE. Anyways, that was a great post pellius.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2011, 04:12:02 AM »
This is a load of crap! If you train while on gear and build muscle, you do not lose it because you go off cycle. If this were true, I would have slowly disintegrated after I came off. My bodyweight shot down to around 205-210, and after some time back up into the 220's. I now weigh in the low 200's without even working out, pretty lean maybe 9-10%. Before I dieted down I maintained the 220's for YEARS.

Steroids build permanent muscle if you train properly.

I just hate this entire thread, and the attitude of the forum is sickening to say the least.
oh FFS give it a rest dude - you are deluded full stop  ::)

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2011, 04:13:24 AM »
This is a load of crap! If you train while on gear and build muscle, you do not lose it because you go off cycle. If this were true, I would have slowly disintegrated after I came off. My bodyweight shot down to around 205-210, and after some time back up into the 220's. I now weigh in the low 200's without even working out, pretty lean maybe 9-10%. Before I dieted down I maintained the 220's for YEARS.

Steroids build permanent muscle if you train properly.

I just hate this entire thread, and the attitude of the forum is sickening to say the least.

One of the few things I really like about bodybuilding is that it is very easy to evaluate the claims people make. Methyl Mike, you have been training for quite a while haven't you? Many years as I recall. And you have hit plateaus all the time and "crushed them." Can you post a picture and show us the level you have achieve after all these plateau crushing years?
 

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2011, 04:15:40 AM »
Bodyweight doesn't say too much, coz the difference btw say 200 @ 15% compared to 200 @ 6% is a HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE. Anyways, that was a great post pellius.

I'm just parroting a doctor who has very involved with world class bodybuilders for very many years. None of this is my original thought or discovery.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2011, 04:20:11 AM »
One of the few things I really like about bodybuilding is that it is very easy to evaluate the claims people make. Methyl Mike, you have been training for quite a while haven't you? Many years as I recall. And you have hit plateaus all the time and "crushed them." Can you post a picture and show us the level you have achieve after all these plateau crushing years?
 

My picture would do what? I would get criticized and bashed to pieces. Tell you what, if you are in the San Jose, CA area, we can train, and you can tell me what you think. Pictures mean shit. My goals are different now than from when I was in my early 20's, people change. I have never lied and have no need to, and you can say whatever you want, it will not change anything.

When I was younger I hit sticking points and came up with creative ways to beat them. At one time that meant drinking pwo shakes made up of whey isolate, Mrs Butterworths syrup (pure sugar no fat) and some creatine/glutamine. I upped the calories and trained harder, including triple drop sets and a lot of tri-sets for quads arms and chest. Always experimenting.

It is clear some of you have deeply rooted beliefs, and I feel this is dangerous. The thinking here seems to be that you can not achieve much without drugs, and that the answer to getting bigger is always more drugs, and I would bet good money the guys whose opinions matter most (pro bodybuilders) would strongly disagree with this thinking. But then again, to you guys they are all huge drug abusers so you likely would never listen.