Author Topic: CHICK SAYS: "People rely on gear too much!" (Read 12022 times)

tom joad · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2011, 07:57:55 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 07:48:53 PM

The ad campaign wasn't a failure because he never won, or didn't turn pro....I just would have positioned it differently, not that he was the second coming...thus the subject at hand...that hard work and doing things with a long term outcome would have been a better plan, not rushing this kid through the ranks...kind of the same when they move a young boxer up the ladder without really fighting anyone of significance, then he gets his ass handed t him when he faces a REAL contender...all a facade

but that's was roids are, all a facade. $:-\$

Chick · « **Reply #51 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:15:24 PM »

Lets not get crazy boys...

The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...

They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.

Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/

You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...

DK II · « **Reply #52 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:18:51 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 08:15:24 PM

Lets not get crazy boys...

The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...

They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.

Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/

You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...

ok, thanks.

LittleJ · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 07:48:53 PM

The ad campaign wasn't a failure because he never won, or didn't turn pro....I just would have positioned it differently, not that he was the second coming...thus the subject at hand...that hard work and doing things with a long term outcome would have been a better plan, not rushing this kid through the ranks...kind of the same when they move a young boxer up the ladder without really fighting anyone of significance, then he gets his ass handed t him when he faces a REAL contender...all a facade

Hey Chick, how much did BSN give Trey?

Chick · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:26:05 PM »

Quote from: LittleJ on June 07, 2011, 08:24:57 PM

Hey Chick, how much did BSN give Trey?

He was already gone by the time I got there..

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2011, 09:35:16 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 08:26:05 PM

He was already gone by the time I got there..

Contracts are awarded on a case by case basis? Some make a lot, some make very little?

I would think a big company like that would offer big bucks but also have structure. Like, if you are up and coming level 1, if pro card level 2 or 3, if top 3 at a pro show level 5 or 6, if top 3 at arnold or olympia level 9 or something similar.

Seems odd they just dish out money based on what they think you are worth? How does it all work?

flexingtonsteele · « **Reply #56 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:28:29 AM »

Quote from: The_Leafy_Bug on June 07, 2011, 04:14:47 PM

Are you telling me i should not do North Americans this year Bob? What if i know full and well im going to get my ass handed to me?

Thats a question that only you have the answer to bro!

wes · « **Reply #57 on:** June 08, 2011, 12:52:23 AM »

If I was Leafy,I`d do it......classic lines that people would notice and appreciate.

Unfortunately for him,he has a tiny waist which is taboo in todays bodybuilding.

Being sarcastic,or am I

Go for it dude,OI think you`ll do well and if not,you get your face/name out there and it`ll be a good experience.

If you go,I`ll see ya` there!

musclecenter · « **Reply #58 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:15:51 AM »

one of the best threads ever!

youngbb31 · « **Reply #59 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:38:07 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 08:15:24 PM

Lets not get crazy boys...

The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...

They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.

Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/

You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...

Yeah but one thing that seems missing from today's bodybuilders is that unlike the bodybuilder's of old they rush things, it seems like in the past they knew how to take their time. I think that's worth mentioning and is why those who have true passion and love for the sport and like to train hard prior to hopping on will always be the one's who succeed.

DK II · « **Reply #60 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:42:15 AM »

Quote from: youngbb31 on June 08, 2011, 01:38:07 AM

Yeah but one thing that seems missing from today's bodybuilders is that unlike the bodybuilder's of old they rush things, it seems like in the past they knew how to take their time. I think that's worth mentioning and is why those who have true passion and love for the sport and like to train hard prior to hopping on will always be the one's who succeed.

in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.

youngbb31 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:44:34 AM »

Quote from: DK II on June 08, 2011, 01:42:15 AM

in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.

Yeah I mean I always think the top people in any sport are the ones who really live out that shit every day and it's not even a job to them, they are fortunate enough to be in a good situation and they succeed because of hard work among many other factors.

gh15 · « **Reply #62 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:05:11 AM »

good posting by bobbie,, and the leafbug need little more size to do northamerican ,,you need to aim at 197lb,, if you come 180 something you will be wiped ,,remember many have the tiny tight waist in the light heavys,,and the light heavys is a very very very good class that MANY profesionals come out of,, infact the best weight to become a pro is for your height is 197-202lb..if you can get there at 4% then! you should go into the north american and try to place well,,remember! many do national shows but most of them place 6-16 and never to be heard of again ,,
you need to aim at top 5,, for that you need more lean size..for that you will need gh at higher doses,,no ifs no buts,,you can allow your waist to grow some ,,your waist will stay your best bodypart forever,,even when you will be on insulina you will still resemble denis wolfe waist ,,this is something you either born with or not,,tight small waist is blessing in bodybuild,,

gh15 approved

JP_RC · « **Reply #63 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:12:23 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 07, 2011, 08:15:24 PM

Lets not get crazy boys...

The pros of today train hard, and lets not confuse training HARDER with training SMARTER...while I have all the respect in the world for those who paved the way for us...they trained and dieted according to the info that was available, as well as the equipment at the time...

They did many things wrong back then...over trained, over dieted, starved more than they should have, etc...more attention was given to the notion of building muscle IN the gym, rather than the fact that muscle is built OUTSIDE the gym, through rest and recovery.

Lee Haney was one of the first to recognize this with his now famous "stimulate, dont annihillate "...which is what led to him coming in at the 250 lb. mark....that mentality could have just as easily been taken for "not training as hard...etc" by the previous generation of BBers. Results are what counts, and his 8 sandows and complete domination say everything loud and clear. Dorian took it another step further, pioneering the training of bodyparts LESS often...again, a move that could have been taken as not training as hard, or willing to put the work in....as it was gospel to train BP's 2X/ week...if not more/

You can all debate whether or not the physiques were better back then, but the idea that they trained any harder simply isnt true...beating yourself into the ground as was common back then, was what they knew and what they were tought by those before THEM...who had even LESS at their disposal for knowledge and technology...

So you're saying pros today train "smarter" or better, yet they have to rely on gear too much? From the way I see it, if they rely too much on gear(and this started in the mid 90s imo), then what they are doing training wise isn't really that good. Wouldn't you agree?

James28 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 08, 2011, 09:38:21 AM »

True what Chick says about making a living from this sport. I think it started going wrong there. Very few do it for the love of it. People are now competing as pro's 5-6 years after setting foot in the gym. What solid base have you built in such a small amount of time? It's those that's not scared to inject anything and everything into them that usually stands on a pro stage. Ala, Kamali, Kovacs, etc.

Back then there wasn't as much money going about and people done it for the love, the lifestyle, the beach, the babes. I like how the bodybuilders used to train together and used to help each other, ala Pumping Iron. You won't get that with the current line up of 'bodybuilders' or even those from the 90's. Although, I remember that Flex and Shawn used to train together at times.

I remember I started going to hang with my pals cause they were all in the gym. We met some more people there and it became a big social thing coupled with intensely hard work. Big swaths of people would go out afterwards and hang in restaurants or by the beach. Nobody cared about taking drugs or making a living from this. It was the lifestyle and the love of the game.

Perhaps it's been lost a bit.

wes · « **Reply #65 on:** June 08, 2011, 10:37:43 AM »

Hardcore gyms are gone,old school camaraderie is gone,passion for training remains until you hit the pro ranks,then you do it for money.

Gotta` disagree with Bob about the training back in the day compared to now......no comparison as far as gruelling training goes,and let`s not discuss dedication to diet.

Back in the day there was no such thing as a fucking cheat meal during contest prep.......now it`s used as an excuse to refeed the body,which I think is wrong.

Just my opinion,but todays guys lift heavier because of the gear they run,but they sure don`t train near as hard as back in the day.

again just my opinion.........got a PM in my message box a while back from Chris Aceto a while back who said the same thing I just typed, and he trained tons of people,mostly all pro bodybuilders.

The_Punisher · « **Reply #66 on:** June 08, 2011, 11:32:56 AM »

I have a Big problem with some of these Former Pros. once they retired, they don't set foot in the gym anymore. shit, once your competitive years are over, staying fit and healthy should be a priority considering the obvious......I remember Mike Matarrazo saying that once he retires, he will no longer be involve in anything bodybuilding.....I thought bodybuilding was supposed to be a lifestyle?........if the bodybuilders of yesteryear had as much Gears available to them back then, they would have abuse it just like today's Pros are abusing these stuffs today

wes · « **Reply #67 on:** June 08, 2011, 11:41:12 AM »

Good post and very true.

They`ll have to pry a barbell out of my cold dead hands!

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #68 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:04:57 PM »

Quote from: DK II on June 08, 2011, 01:42:15 AM

in the 70s it seems to have been more about the training itself, girls, the beach and do the competitions for the fun of it and to push you further.

Back then they didn't expect to make a living off the sport so the effort they put in the gym was from the heart, and not for greed and money. There is really no honer in destroying your body for money. I guess you could say they did it for the women, where today they do it for the cash.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #69 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:16:48 PM »

Quote from: BILL ANVIL on June 08, 2011, 01:04:57 PM

Back then they didn't expect to make a living off the sport so the effort they put in the gym was from the heart, and not for greed and money. There is really no honer in destroying your body for money. I guess you could say they did it for the women, where today they do it for the cash.

A man who gets fat and lazy after he retires was NEVER doing it for the love of lifting, but rather a love of his inner narcissism...I would think this was pretty obvious? Hmm...

BILL ANVIL · « **Reply #70 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:26:37 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on June 08, 2011, 01:16:48 PM

A man who gets fat and lazy after he retires was NEVER doing it for the love of lifting, but rather a love of his inner narcissism...I would think this was pretty obvious? Hmm...

Well really everything we do is to feed out inner narcissism and ego, even our hygiene. I was just being broad.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #71 on:** June 08, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »

Quote from: BILL ANVIL on June 08, 2011, 01:26:37 PM

Well really everything we do is to feed out inner narcissism and ego, even our hygiene. I was just being broad.

My post wasn't meant to be a shot at you.

I get sick of everyone saying "well up till 10 years ago, bodybuilders did it for love, now for money" and yet almost all look like shit when they retire.

Almost all bodybuilders get into the sport because they find an inner drive, and that inner drive has a name- NARCISSISM. Sorry, but that is the truth. Once they get older, and realize they cannot easily look so great, most just become fat and lazy. This is the truth.

Only a few here and there really love to train, and their results speak for themselves. Kai and Ronnie come to mind. Kai won't be shrinking down after he retires believe that. And Ronnie?? Dude looks amazing and is pushing 50! These guys LOVE to lift.

youngbb31 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 08, 2011, 02:56:47 PM »

Quote from: Methyl Mike on June 08, 2011, 01:46:09 PM

My post wasn't meant to be a shot at you.

I get sick of everyone saying "well up till 10 years ago, bodybuilders did it for love, now for money" and yet almost all look like shit when they retire.

Almost all bodybuilders get into the sport because they find an inner drive, and that inner drive has a name- NARCISSISM. Sorry, but that is the truth. Once they get older, and realize they cannot easily look so great, most just become fat and lazy. This is the truth.

Only a few here and there really love to train, and their results speak for themselves. Kai and Ronnie come to mind. Kai won't be shrinking down after he retires believe that. And Ronnie?? Dude looks amazing and is pushing 50! These guys LOVE to lift.

I used to be that way when starting out at like 15, but now i do it because i truly love to train. It's awesome and I love setting new challenges for myself and breaking them. The body that comes as a result is now a bonus whereas before I was trying to get bigger to avoid being bullied in hs.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #73 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:39:21 PM »

Quote from: youngbb31 on June 08, 2011, 02:56:47 PM

I used to be that way when starting out at like 15, but now i do it because i truly love to train. It's awesome and I love setting new challenges for myself and breaking them. The body that comes as a result is now a bonus whereas before I was trying to get bigger to avoid being bullied in hs.

We have a lot in common man! Everything you said in your post I could say for myself.

The_Leafy_Bug · « **Reply #74 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:26:19 PM »

Quote from: wes on June 08, 2011, 12:52:23 AM

If I was Leafy,I`d do it......classic lines that people would notice and appreciate.

Unfortunately for him,he has a tiny waist which is taboo in todays bodybuilding.

Being sarcastic,or am I

Go for it dude,OI think you`ll do well and if not,you get your face/name out there and it`ll be a good experience.

If you go,I`ll see ya` there!

It may be my last run so i really want to hit the national scene atleast once. I think this year will really tell me if i should continue on in this hobby.. I know ill get my ass kicked but its all in good fun. Im just getting burned out.