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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2011, 02:40:21 AM »
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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2011, 02:59:56 AM »
the overhead squat test is a great way for the NASM types to convince potential clients that they imbalances


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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2011, 04:40:13 AM »
WTF !!

I did this last week, 3-4 lights sets just to try. that's all I did for hams.

I have never been this sore in my entire life. Usually, just a portin of my hams is sore, now it was the entire hamstrings that were sore from the inside to the outside.

yesterday I did some real sets with two 100lbs dumbells, it was awesome

You guys should all try them


And that should tell us exactly what? That usually you train your hamstrings like an idiot, but when you accidentally find an exercise which you can't cheat with, you are all fired up and amazed how good it feels? Let me tell you little secret: When you know how to train and do it always right, your body will be sore after every fucking exercise. Can you understand? It make no difference if you are training hamstrings or latissimus or whatever muscle, if you do it right, your muscle will be sore.  In fact that is kind of the key for the building muscles, saying "no pain no gain" must be familiar to you in some way?

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2011, 05:46:15 AM »
And that should tell us exactly what? That usually you train your hamstrings like an idiot, but when you accidentally find an exercise which you can't cheat with, you are all fired up and amazed how good it feels? Let me tell you little secret: When you know how to train and do it always right, your body will be sore after every fucking exercise. Can you understand? It make no difference if you are training hamstrings or latissimus or whatever muscle, if you do it right, your muscle will be sore.  In fact that is kind of the key for the building muscles, saying "no pain no gain" must be familiar to you in some way?

What is this bullshit? Fairly subtle changes in a movement can completely change how it hits your muscles. It's not about doing the movements correctly or incorrectly. Even on machines, where you're locked in and can't really cheat, there's differences on how the exercise hits the muscle(s). One angled leg press may hurt you knees whereas another may not, may hit you hams more or less, same with leg extensions or whatever machine.

As far as stiff leg deads, there's not even a correct way of doing them. Some stand on a block, meaning they have to round their back to get "full" range of motion. But try doing stiffs wih an arched back, with a locked knee angle, and most can't go much below knee level.

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2011, 06:50:19 AM »
And that should tell us exactly what? That usually you train your hamstrings like an idiot, but when you accidentally find an exercise which you can't cheat with, you are all fired up and amazed how good it feels? Let me tell you little secret: When you know how to train and do it always right, your body will be sore after every fucking exercise. Can you understand? It make no difference if you are training hamstrings or latissimus or whatever muscle, if you do it right, your muscle will be sore.  In fact that is kind of the key for the building muscles, saying "no pain no gain" must be familiar to you in some way?



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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2011, 06:51:34 AM »
But if you do then unilaterally you can get way below the knee. Any stiff leg DL should be done with a slight knee bend.

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2011, 07:25:34 AM »
And that should tell us exactly what? That usually you train your hamstrings like an idiot, but when you accidentally find an exercise which you can't cheat with, you are all fired up and amazed how good it feels? Let me tell you little secret: When you know how to train and do it always right, your body will be sore after every fucking exercise. Can you understand? It make no difference if you are training hamstrings or latissimus or whatever muscle, if you do it right, your muscle will be sore.  In fact that is kind of the key for the building muscles, saying "no pain no gain" must be familiar to you in some way?
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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2011, 07:32:00 AM »
And that should tell us exactly what? That usually you train your hamstrings like an idiot, but when you accidentally find an exercise which you can't cheat with, you are all fired up and amazed how good it feels? Let me tell you little secret: When you know how to train and do it always right, your body will be sore after every fucking exercise. Can you understand? It make no difference if you are training hamstrings or latissimus or whatever muscle, if you do it right, your muscle will be sore.  In fact that is kind of the key for the building muscles, saying "no pain no gain" must be familiar to you in some way?
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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2011, 01:30:06 PM »
But if you do then unilaterally you can get way below the knee. Any stiff leg DL should be done with a slight knee bend.

Yes I meant that the angle of the slight bend doesn't change. If you bend your legs more as you go down ROM increases. I have never seen anyone doing stiff leg deads with arched back where the plates even touched the ground. Standing on a block = rounded back deads.

I will try the unilateral stiffs on sunday.

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2011, 01:54:42 PM »
On second thought, maybe I don't have tight hamstrings?  After my (failed) workout yesterday, I tried to stretch them lying on my back.  With a slight bend in the knee, I could almost touch my knee to my chin without feeling a stretch.  Still, made no difference in my squat though.   :-\

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2011, 02:34:09 PM »
Have you been tested for actual kyphosis?

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2011, 02:39:55 PM »
No but funny you should mention that I think I actually am a bit kyphotic.  I was looking at this deadlift picture in Starting Strength and it shows a proper setup for a lifter with "slight kyphosis" and he looks just like me.  I can never get my back as straight as a lot of the guys I see in these pictures.

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2011, 02:55:55 PM »
Starting Strength is a great read but I do have some disagreements with the way Rippetoe teaches and cues the squat..seems more like a goodmorning

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2011, 03:08:24 PM »
you should try pistols, they also work the glutes and hamstrings very well:


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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2011, 03:12:17 PM »
Yeah his squats seem weird.  I want to be able to do olympic-style squats.  They just seem like the most balanced and natural type of squat to me.

The rippetoe/crossfit people seem to approach this problem in two ways.  First, postural awareness, and second, flexibility.  Stretching and flexibility hasn't been of much help to me.  It's actually really hard for me to stretch anything without just getting joint pain instead.  Almost all lower body stretches end up irritating me up in my hips -- sartorius and some other muscles i think (whatever muscles are labeled F, G, and H in this diagram http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/Quadriceps.html).

Postural awareness maybe seems more likely at this point.  I have a really hard time knowing what position my back is in, and watching myself in the mirror I'm often surprised at how my squat or deadlift develops.  It certainly looks different than it feels.

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2011, 05:14:28 PM »
I tore my hammy near the groin doing regular back squats with a weight I can handle for 15+ reps. I was trying to go deep to parallel and my fucking hamstring tore. I've always had very, very tight hams that I have to be careful training. They also grow very easily with small weights. I don't know what to make of it.

Lately we have been splitting up quads and hams and I walk for 10 mins and stretch my hams before both, as well as at night everynight. I'm still not flexible and I don't trust my hamstring operating with weights anything past like 50% of my max strength.

I need to seriously work on my flexibility everywhere.

Oh, I tried the unilateral deadlifts. Fell over. How the fuck do you balance doing these?

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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2011, 08:31:37 PM »
I tore my hammy near the groin doing regular back squats with a weight I can handle for 15+ reps. I was trying to go deep to parallel and my fucking hamstring tore. I've always had very, very tight hams that I have to be careful training. They also grow very easily with small weights. I don't know what to make of it.

Lately we have been splitting up quads and hams and I walk for 10 mins and stretch my hams before both, as well as at night everynight. I'm still not flexible and I don't trust my hamstring operating with weights anything past like 50% of my max strength.

I need to seriously work on my flexibility everywhere.

Oh, I tried the unilateral deadlifts. Fell over. How the fuck do you balance doing these?
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Re: 1 leg stiff-leg deads
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2011, 04:27:01 AM »
But if you do then unilaterally you can get way below the knee. Any stiff leg DL should be done with a slight knee bend.

Why? I do SLDL with knees locked and go down so my knuckles touch my toes. I want/need the lower back and hamstring flexibility. I can easily touch my head to my knees while keeping knees locked straight.

I also do regular deads with knees slightly bent but don't use a staggered grip. Both hands are positioned the same with fingers facing shins. I don't go heavy and use a weight that I can get 15-20 reps on. This I do on back days whereas the SLDL I do on leg days.