Author Topic: Ron Paul Interview on Co Introducing Bill To Decriminalize Marijuana  (Read 4605 times)

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Certain things are "taboo" and have to be treated as such.  That doesn't mean you don't talk about it or educate your kid.  But they do need to be taught about right and wrong.  Things that are harmful to kids are not just "another thing." 

 I'm curious to know if the only reason you hold any distinction, (I'm guessing you do), between booze and marijuana is because of the current law? I have this feeling you wouldnt mind if your children, (of legal drinking age) had a drink once in a while even though they risk becoming alcoholics regardless of its legal standing but the idea of them smoking a joint once in a while doesnt jive well with you.

Is that correct?






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Certain things are "taboo" and have to be treated as such.  That doesn't mean you don't talk about it or educate your kid.  But they do need to be taught about right and wrong.  Things that are harmful to kids are not just "another thing."  
I know certain things are taboo ::)  I never said you shouldn't talk about it or educate your kids.  I was talking about approaches that probably end up doing the opposite and talking kids into doing drugs.  Drug campaigns have been criticised for doing this. It happens more than you think.  Besides, it's our job to educate our kids on this, not the governments.

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"There is also a small amount of evidence that indicates the anti-drug campaign may have had the opposite effect for some teens. In one part of the analysis, teens who recalled seeing 12 or more anti-drug messages per month were actually more likely to start using marijuana than those who had seen fewer anti-drug messages per month."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6041092&page=2

Whatever approach I choose in educating my kids about drugs, I really don't need the government or others countering me and/or talking them into doing drugs.


"Washington, DC: Advertisements paid for by the federal government to deter teens from using drugs may actually be
encouraging some viewers to experiment with marijuana, according to statements made by White House Drug Czar John Walters this week.
Walters' admission came just days before the release of a federally-commissioned report announcing that the government's $1.8 billion dollar anti-drug ad campaign has failed to discourage teens from using drugs, and in some cases, may actually encourage use"

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"There is also a small amount of evidence that indicates the anti-drug campaign may have had the opposite effect for some teens. In one part of the analysis, teens who recalled seeing 12 or more anti-drug messages per month were actually more likely to start using marijuana than those who had seen fewer anti-drug messages per month."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6041092&page=2

Whatever approach I choose in educating my kids about drugs, I really don't need the government or others countering me and/or talking them into doing drugs.

A little off topic but I am reading the Reagan diaries and stated in his diary he was against the drug czar and drug war for the most part.    Awesome book so far.    Anyone claiming Reagan was a dunce in truly nuts.  His diaries are really revealing just how smart he really was.   

Said drug czar would make it worse. 

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Are drugs (assuming it's a drug that doesn't adversely affect your health) bad if you use them responsibly, and don't become dependent?


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I know certain things are taboo ::)  I never said you shouldn't talk about it or educate your kids.  I was talking about approaches that probably end up doing the opposite and talking kids into doing drugs.  Drug campaigns have been criticised for doing this. It happens more than you think.  Besides, it's our job to educate our kids on this, not the governments.

Who said it's the government's job to educate kids about illegal drug use?   ::) 

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"There is also a small amount of evidence that indicates the anti-drug campaign may have had the opposite effect for some teens. In one part of the analysis, teens who recalled seeing 12 or more anti-drug messages per month were actually more likely to start using marijuana than those who had seen fewer anti-drug messages per month."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6041092&page=2

Whatever approach I choose in educating my kids about drugs, I really don't need the government or others countering me and/or talking them into doing drugs.


"Washington, DC: Advertisements paid for by the federal government to deter teens from using drugs may actually be
encouraging some viewers to experiment with marijuana, according to statements made by White House Drug Czar John Walters this week.
Walters' admission came just days before the release of a federally-commissioned report announcing that the government's $1.8 billion dollar anti-drug ad campaign has failed to discourage teens from using drugs, and in some cases, may actually encourage use"

This is absurd.  So a small amount of evidence shows some kids use the more they get exposed to anti-drug messages?  LOL.  I wonder if a small number of kids who are exposed to condom commercials engage in unprotected sex?   ::) 

Who paid for this research?  lol.  They should have just sent me a check.  I could have put the money to much better use.

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I'm curious to know if the only reason you hold any distinction, (I'm guessing you do), between booze and marijuana is because of the current law? I have this feeling you wouldnt mind if your children, (of legal drinking age) had a drink once in a while even though they risk becoming alcoholics regardless of its legal standing but the idea of them smoking a joint once in a while doesnt jive well with you.

Is that correct?


One of the main distinctions between alcohol and marijuana is one is legal and the other is not.  Pretty big distinction.  Another is the evidence showing the numerous health problems associated with normal marijuana use. 

My kids will do whatever they want when they become adults, but I hope they don't drink.  They'll have a healthier and safer life if they choose to stay off the booze.  Not sure what that has to do with this discussion? 

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Who said it's the government's job to educate kids about illegal drug use?   ::) 
did I say you said that jerkoff?  Go play with your stupid eyerolls Mr. Always Right.

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This is absurd.  So a small amount of evidence shows some kids use the more they get exposed to anti-drug messages?  LOL.  I wonder if a small number of kids who are exposed to condom commercials engage in unprotected sex?   ::) 

Who paid for this research?  lol.  They should have just sent me a check.  I could have put the money to much better use.
the only thing absurd is as usual you.

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Was looking at the issue of access (marijuana v. alcohol).  There is some support for those who say marijuana is easier (or just as easy) to get as alcohol:

An Issue of Accessibility

Both alcohol and marijuana are dangerous for adolescents, but which is easier for teens to get? Despite the fact that alcohol is a legal drug, often stored in parents' liquor cabinets and available for purchase if teens know someone over 21 years old, experts and adolescents say that marijuana is now easier for teens to get their hands on than alcohol.

http://www.adolescent-substance-abuse.com/substance-abuse/is-marijuana-or-alcohol-having-more-impact-on-your-teen.htm

On the other hand, alcohol use by teens apparently dwarfs marijuana use:

How Many Teens Use Marijuana?

Some people mistakenly believe that “everybody's doing it” and use that as an excuse to start using marijuana themselves. Well, they need to check the facts, because that’s just not true. According to a 2009 survey called Monitoring the Future, about 7 percent of 8th-graders, 16 percent of 10th-graders, and 21 percent of 12th-graders had used marijuana in the month before the survey. In fact, marijuana use declined from the late 1990s through 2007, with a decrease in past-year use of more than 20 percent in all three grades combined from 2000 to 2007. Unfortunately, this trend appears to be slowing, and marijuana use remains at unacceptably high levels, as the most commonly used illegal drug.

http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_mj1.php

Compared with:

Just about everyone knows that the legal drinking age throughout the United States is 21. But according to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse, almost 80% of high school students have tried alcohol.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/drug_alcohol/alcohol/alcohol.html

And this:

Alcohol access by minors

A survey of over 6000 teenagers revealed (1):

    * Teenagers usually get their alcohol from persons 21 or older. The second most common source for high school students is someone else under age 21, and the second most common source for 18- to 20-year-olds is buying it from a store, bar or restaurant (despite the fact that such sales are against the law).
    * In the 12th grade, boys were more likely than girls to buy alcohol from a store, bar or restaurant.
    * The higher a teenager's weekly income, the more likely he/she will buy alcohol from a store, bar or restaurant.
    * It is easy to get alcohol at a party and from siblings or others 21 or older.[12]

How easy is it for youth to buy alcohol?

Young females attempted to buy beer without an ID at liquor, grocery or convenience stores:

    * In 47–52% of the attempts, beer was sold. (1, 2)
    * Nearly 80% of all the stores sold beer to the buyers at least once in three attempts; nearly 25% sold beer all three times.(1)

When young females attempted to buy beer without an ID at bars or restaurants, 50% of the attempts resulted in a sale to the buyer.(2)

When young males and females attempted to buy beer without an ID at community festivals, 50% of the attempts resulted in a sale to the buyer.(3)[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_consumption_by_youth_in_the_United_States

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Some older threads about the dangers of marijuana use:

Marijuana Causes Cancer, California Regulators Say
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=286471.0

Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=263448.0

Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160887.0

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Hands down pot is easier to get than alcohol.

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Some older threads about the dangers of marijuana use:
Marijuana Causes Cancer, California Regulators Say
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=286471.0
Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=263448.0
Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=160887.0

Some of these studies seem like "gee wiz" studies.  The chance of psychosis is very small and using pot increases a small chance by 40%?  There's a extremely good chance that when a different group of people are tested they will get a 40% or more swing in results regadless. 

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Who said it's the government's job to educate kids about illegal drug use?   ::) 

part of the govt's role is to maintain the prodictivity and viability of 305 million americans.

So yes, religion/law for the moral compass and education for the productivity side of things.  You can't have 50 million kids sitting on the couch playing halo Reach eating pizza.  You need them entering the workforce.

Wait, you think the country just happens to function, and that the govt doesn't play any role in guiding overall productivity and behavior of the masses, eh?

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Best way to maintain viability is to end welfare food stamps etc.

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Best way to maintain viability is to end welfare food stamps etc.

dont forget giving more tax cuts to the rich.

cause we all know that giving them the cuts under bush prevented an economic collapse in 2008.

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Irrelevent. People will amazingly find work if they have to choose work or starvation.

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Irrelevent. People will amazingly find work if they have to choose work or starvation.

or they'll resort to crime.  or begging.  or shoot themselves.  or go on shooting sprees.

I guess, in theory, you can just "make" 20% of the population go find work, and some % of them will.  My belief is that some of them will get rowdy.

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If people want to smoke dope fine, just don't cry to me about them not finding work, needing welfare etc etc.  If they die and starve, fine w me.

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If people want to smoke dope fine, just don't cry to me about them not finding work, needing welfare etc etc.  If they die and starve, fine w me.

i dont care what people do to their bodies - legalize, that's cool - BUT if you drive a car stoned, your ass needs to be in prison for 5 years.  period.

keep it that simple.  Smoke all you want.  And ride a bike.

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i dont care what people do to their bodies - legalize, that's cool - BUT if you drive a car stoned, your ass needs to be in prison for 5 years.  period.

keep it that simple.  Smoke all you want.  And ride a bike.

Same with driving drunk?

I say yes.

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If people want to smoke dope fine, just don't cry to me about them not finding work, needing welfare etc etc.  If they die and starve, fine w me.

I would bet the percentage of people who smoke pot and are employed is close to the percentage of people who are out of work and not employed .

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If drug use by kids has increased over the past thirty years, what will happen if they are legal?  Wouldn't drug use increase even more? 


I am fairly sure that if weed is legalized it won't be legal for people under the age of 21 to buy, carry or use it.

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Hands down pot is easier to get than alcohol.

If that is true, why do you think (according to some studies) that 80 percent of kids try alcohol, but only 21 percent try marijuana?