Chris Cormier Update - Exclusive Media Contract

[Matt C]

What, is Cormier going to be on the radio show?  You can't even understand him.  Between Chris Aceto's boring ass, and Aaron's annoying personality, their #'s should go up.  Honestly, Dave is the only one who I can listen to, and I still can't get through 5 minutes.

I think the radio show's numbers are somewhere between 17,000-34,000 downloads per episode [live listens plus archived].  I've listened to it a few times and enjoyed it although I don't follow too much bodybuilding radio.

The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult  

LOL...well to be honest the main thing to me is whether or not the company makes good products.  It reminds me of the sleep doctor in town who I once heard gets very little sleep.  But hey, he still gives good advice on it.  Another more relevant example would be a local nutrition store which is owned by a man who is not in shape.  But I get your point though.

Really? Really? You are still that clueless as to what is going on?

The bastard inbred child of Failcon and his sister would grasp things quicker than you....

misdirection, subterfuge, fcuk SMOKE AND MIRRORS YOU SPASTIC!

Are you saying the company is up to something fishy?  As far as I could tell, the only thing fishy was in between the legs of some of the girls working at their booth.  Unless you know something I don't?

These people feed off such a gullible consumer.  That man in the black shirt is a true example of the value of those supplements.

Are you saying these products will make me go bald?

It amazes me that people still can not see what a scumbag Palumbo is.

I can't believe how many idiots there are out there.

I can't really speak about Dave as a person but I do think he puts a lot of good free content up on his site and I have to hand it to him for that.  I think he is one of the best interviewers which I believe is due to his own personal experience competing as well as making friends with so many of the competitors through the years and being experienced at talking to them and asking the right questions.  I'm not sure what all the hate about Dave is to be honest, although I had heard about him selling fake GH so I can understand why that would anger people.  I figure Dave has to be pulling in at least a quarter million a year so I don't see why he would need to screw anyone, but as I said I don't know.

[D_1000]

An additional 50$ a month always comes in handy.
Props to Chris.

 

[insider]

LOL!!!

Actually, considering how many people RX sends to any given expo, I think they are doing pretty well.  Dave really took the site to a high level very quickly, no doubt thanks to his considerable experience/networks in the industry.

I would guess yes because the cost to run a booth at the Arnold has to be at least $50,000 and Species had one:

Species also had a booth at the Toronto Pro [pictures below] and for them to have a booth at one of the smaller shows would indicate to me that they are doing pretty well.  I think that it would require brains to run a successful supplement company and I've always thought of Dave as being a pretty smart guy.  He has really mastered the art of interviewing and I hope to eventually get similar content on my site, maybe when my kids are a little older and I have more time to focus on the site.

The only thing which would make me question the success of Species right now would be the status of the lawsuit which was filed earlier.  I think that could have a detrimental impact on the company if the suit is successful, but otherwise I would guess that the company is doing quite well.  I don't know for a fact though, but it seems that way to me.

Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.

If you talk to supplement stores and distributors the products are not selling well. They sell pretty good in NY and the east coast where Palumbo is more known but overall the products sit on the shelf.

Their marketing is not very good, having those freaky women at their booth only appeals to female bodybuilders and schmoes. The average supplement buyer will be turned off.

[Matt C]

Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.

If you talk to supplement stores and distributors the products are not selling well. They sell pretty good in NY and the east coast where Palumbo is more known but overall the products sit on the shelf.

Their marketing is not very good, having those freaky women at their booth only appeals to female bodybuilders and schmoes. The average supplement buyer will be turned off.

Fair points on the booths but the booths have improved since the start of the company:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=323415.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=368491.0

From this:



To this:



It's not just that they had a booth at the Olympia, but a good booth.  Not at the level of Gaspari or MuscleTech, but a good booth nevertheless.  In no way do I know of the private financial situation of Species or anything like that, it was just an observation that the company seemed to be coming along for them to have a presence at a small pro show located outside of the USA.

Who knows though, it's quite possible the company has numerous investors and that the business itself is losing money if not for that capital.  I don't know for certain, I just thought it was cool to see them at the Toronto Pro and initially thought it looked like they were growing as a company.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.

If you talk to supplement stores and distributors the products are not selling well. They sell pretty good in NY and the east coast where Palumbo is more known but overall the products sit on the shelf.

Their marketing is not very good, having those freaky women at their booth only appeals to female bodybuilders and schmoes. The average supplement buyer will be turned off.

How the fuck would you know whether Palumbo is doing good or bad??  Honestly, I think the company is still bringing in a profit and that's based on them still maintaining contracts with the major distributors which is all you really need to stay in business and a place to store all your stuff.  Palumbo rents out some run down warehouse in New York to store the stuff as well as do all of the RX Muscle radio and video shows and even that doesn't cost any real money to run other than keeping the power on and pay the building rent.  The RX Muscle Website is a 25 dollar template from Rocket Themes and the forum is Vbulletin which cost pennies to license.  Plaster some ads up there and that's it.  The only major cost I can see is travel expenses to shows but if you schedule way in advance for everything, its not that bad.  


Even with that said, you never know what people are spending on their business and what their overhead is but I certainly wouldn't base the status of a business on some retailers that say that his product is sitting on the shelf because for all you know, they could be selling it a full retail or they simply don't advertise.

[Rami]

have some powdered industrial waste, so I get to funnel money out of you pocket. obviously a good deal to a whole lot of folks

[dyslexic]

Will they be using an electronic translator?

Uhhhhhhhhhh.... heh heh..... I kind of like that one.

[Matt C]

How the fuck would you know whether Palumbo is doing good or bad??  Honestly, I think the company is still bringing in a profit and that's based on them still maintaining contracts with the major distributors which is all you really need to stay in business and a place to store all your stuff.  Palumbo rents out some run down warehouse in New York to store the stuff as well as do all of the RX Muscle radio and video shows and even that doesn't cost any real money to run other than keeping the power on and pay the building rent.  The RX Muscle Website is a 25 dollar template from Rocket Themes and the forum is Vbulletin which cost pennies to license.  Plaster some ads up there and that's it.  The only major cost I can see is travel expenses to shows but if you schedule way in advance for everything, its not that bad.  


Even with that said, you never know what people are spending on their business and what their overhead is but I certainly wouldn't base the status of a business on some retailers that say that his product is sitting on the shelf because for all you know, they could be selling it a full retail or they simply don't advertise.

Great post Vince.

Although I live in Canada which makes it cheaper, my flight and hotel cost to go to the Toronto Pro was literally $500.  I had some air miles but without them, it would have still been less than $600 total.  Throw in food costs and it's still next to nothing to go to the contest.  The costs of the camera, tripod, and other equipment are one time expenses and negligible given how cheap HD cameras are these days.  1TB hard drives are called junk drives because they cost next to nothing to buy.  Dave gets $1,000 a month for each sponsor forum on RX and there are 14 of them, not to mention the other advertisements he has on his videos, radio shows, and more.

I can't see Dave pulling in less than a quarter million a year to be honest.  For Species to have a presence at so many shows and for RX to cover so many contests either indicates to me that Species/RX is doing very well or that they have outside investors that I don't know of.  Again, I can't be sure of any of these things, but the impression I get is success.  It's too bad the line got pulled from BB.com but they are not the only big distributor out there.  I can't speak for the Species line personally because I have never consumed their products but I would imagine the line is on par with anything else in the industry.

[insider]

How the fuck would you know whether Palumbo is doing good or bad??  Honestly, I think the company is still bringing in a profit and that's based on them still maintaining contracts with the major distributors which is all you really need to stay in business and a place to store all your stuff.  Palumbo rents out some run down warehouse in New York to store the stuff as well as do all of the RX Muscle radio and video shows and even that doesn't cost any real money to run other than keeping the power on and pay the building rent.  The RX Muscle Website is a 25 dollar template from Rocket Themes and the forum is Vbulletin which cost pennies to license.  Plaster some ads up there and that's it.  The only major cost I can see is travel expenses to shows but if you schedule way in advance for everything, its not that bad.  


Even with that said, you never know what people are spending on their business and what their overhead is but I certainly wouldn't base the status of a business on some retailers that say that his product is sitting on the shelf because for all you know, they could be selling it a full retail or they simply don't advertise.

I know everything that goes on in this industry 

[Tre]

I do think he puts a lot of good free content up on his site and I have to hand it to him for that.  I think he is one of the best interviewers which I believe is due to his own personal experience competing as well as making friends with so many of the competitors through the years and being experienced at talking to them and asking the right questions.

I would never call Dave a 'great interviewer' although, by bodybuilding industry standards, I guess he's not that bad. 

He does, however, put a TON of hours into delivering fresh, FREE content to fans and haters alike and like him or not, he deserves to be credited for the work he does.  It may help build traffic for his site, but it's not like he's getting a guaranteed paycheck for every video interview he publishes.  Gotta give the man his due, whether you're a Species fan or not. 

However, not even P.T. Barnum could get away with using 'intellectual insights' to describe the contributions from Cormier.  Hell, even Chris himself probably burst out laughing at that one, assuming someone told him what 'intellectual' meant.

[OneMoreRep]

I would guess yes because the cost to run a booth at the Arnold has to be at least $50,000 and Species had one:

Uh,..Yeah...Hi Matt, this is "1" from New York City.  Listen, I was wondering, where exactly did you get that 50K figure to run a little booth at the Arnold?  Is that a legit figure?

Thanks...
See Above.

[w8m8]

Uh,..Yeah...Hi Matt, this is "1" from New York City.  Listen, I was wondering, where exactly did you get that 50K figure to run a little booth at the Arnold?  Is that a legit figure?

Thanks...
See Above.

he makes false claims and thinks people will believe him .. it's what he does

APPLICATION FOR EXHIBIT SPACE
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ASSIGNED BOOTH SPACE
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Sponsor, and its agents, as stated herein or incorporated herein by reference. We have read and agree to abide by all instructions. exhibitor information
and the rules and regulations which are part of this agreement.
(Example: 2 booths=10'x20'; 4 booths=10'x40' or 20'x20';
Number of booth(s) requested: 6 booths=10'x60' or 20'x30')
'AII booths will be assigned on a first-come, first-served basis. Each application will be time stamped as received. SPONSORS RECEIVE PLACEMENT PREFERENCE.
EXHIBIT SPACE RATES: Booth price is $2000 per 10'x10' exhibit space. All booths and dimensions shown on plan. All funds are payable in U.S.
dollars. Rental price includes standard 8' high backwall drape and 3' high siderails, one 8' draped table, 2 side chairs, one wastebasket, and one-line
identification sign. Exhibitor seNice kits for additional items and information to be furnished by the decorator/drayage company.

http://www.arnoldsportsfestival.com/user_files/file/2011-expo-application-6-10.pdf

[OneMoreRep]

he makes false claims and thinks people will believe him .. it's what he does

Damn Matt, w8m8 just owned you into oblivion by proving that your 50K figure was disgustingly inflated.

EXHIBIT SPACE RATES: Booth price is $2000 per 10'x10' exhibit space. All booths and dimensions shown on plan. All funds are payable in U.S. dollars.

Matt, you weren't intentionally trying to mislead the faithful readers of this site now were you?

"1"

[Tre]

Damn Matt, w8m8 just owned you into oblivion by proving that your 50K figure was disgustingly inflated.

Matt, you weren't intentionally trying to mislead the faithful readers of this site now were you?

Point-of-clarification: I've done *tiny* booths at past Arnolds that cost $10K+ to operate.  Even though the space rentals were only $1500-2000 back then, you had to pay a la carte for everything else you might need from the convention center (like electricity or extra chairs and trash cans) and then you had to cover expenses for your primary staff. Even back when airfare was 'cheap' by today's standards, by the time hotels, meals, rental cars, booth giveaways and miscellaneous were met, you were at an easy $10K.

I don't agree that it's fair to be presumptive about their company's earnings or expenditures, but their cash outlay for a Species booth at the Arnold was significantly more than $2000. 

[kiwiol]

Too bad Blockhead isn't here to channel Cormier, lol

[OneMoreRep]

Point-of-clarification: I've done *tiny* booths at past Arnolds that cost $10K+ to operate.  Even though the space rentals were only $1500-2000 back then, you had to pay a la carte for everything else you might need from the convention center (like electricity or extra chairs and trash cans) and then you had to cover expenses for your primary staff. Even back when airfare was 'cheap' by today's standards, by the time hotels, meals, rental cars, booth giveaways and miscellaneous were met, you were at an easy $10K.

I don't agree that it's fair to be presumptive about their company's earnings or expenditures, but their cash outlay for a Species booth at the Arnold was significantly more than $2000. 

All fine and dandy Tre, but $50,000 is a far cry from your easily reached $10K figure.  Lets also not over estimate their true capabilities or assume that a booth means more than it does.

"1"

[Tre]

All fine and dandy Tre, but $50,000 is a far cry from your easily reached $10K figure.  Lets also not over estimate their true capabilities or assume that a booth means more than it does.

Even though most companies get great value for their Arnold booth investments, there is still some risk involved.  It's reasonable to assume that a booth that was 5-6x larger than the ones I did would cost 5x as much to operate.  And I'm talking only about the basics: space rental, services, shipping costs, giveaways, expenses for primary staff, and figure at least one meal for the entire crew.   

Whereas small-timers like myself would pack 2-3 girls into an $89 suite out in Worthington, the higher-profile companies want their people downtown at 3x the price (or more) per night.  My groups generally had one mandatory meal at Waffle House each year.  I could feed a group of 10 for like 80 bucks.   

The costs add up more quickly than you might realize.  I don't know how many paid staff Species takes to that event, but based on experiences with dozens of expos, I would say that the $50K estimate was conservative for the Arnold.   

[w8m8]

All fine and dandy Tre, but $50,000 is a far cry from your easily reached $10K figure.  Lets also not over estimate their true capabilities or assume that a booth means more than it does.

"1"

x2

also let's not forget most of these "other" expenses are written off at tax time in one way or another  

50K is not reasonable as a cost estimate at all IMO .. the companies are not "newbs" .. they are veterans at this and know how to "cut costs "

bottom line = cost - sales = net

they don't "give' away everything

Crealyze alone is over $50 bucks a jug

[Captain Equipoise]

Palumbo is retarded, he could have saved thousands (and jugs of protein) by just getting some incoherent hoodlum hanging out in front of a 7-11, cormier only speaks ebonics anyway they'll need a whole team of translators just to figure out what the fuck he's saying.

[OneMoreRep]

Palumbo is retarded, he could have saved thousands (and jugs of protein) by just getting some incoherent hoodlum hanging out in front of a 7-11, cormier only speaks ebonics anyway they'll need a whole team of translators just to figure out what the fuck he's saying.

Maybe Palumbo is paying Cormier via fake GH, hence the exclusivity of the contract that makes it undisclosed to the public eye...

If that's the case, Palumbo is saving thousands and probably just wasting some toilet water that he uses to fill the jars of fake GH.

Possible no?
"1" 

[Captain Equipoise]

Maybe Palumbo is paying Cormier via fake GH, hence the exclusivity of the contract that makes it undisclosed to the public eye...

If that's the case, Palumbo is saving thousands and probably just wasting some toilet water that he uses to fill the jars of fake GH.

Possible no?
"1" 

I thought Palumbo and Kovacs stopped selling the fake gh years ago?...
I know they were making a killing in the early 2000's

[Mr Nobody]

Where is Ramano now?

[Matt C]

The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult 

What are you on about?  This clearly looks like a man who gives a shit about properly dosing his supplements.  Just an honest man trying to make a buck in today's Zionist-ran work-a-day world.  No need to be mean to him.

I would never call Dave a 'great interviewer' although, by bodybuilding industry standards, I guess he's not that bad. 

He does, however, put a TON of hours into delivering fresh, FREE content to fans and haters alike and like him or not, he deserves to be credited for the work he does.  It may help build traffic for his site, but it's not like he's getting a guaranteed paycheck for every video interview he publishes.  Gotta give the man his due, whether you're a Species fan or not. 

However, not even P.T. Barnum could get away with using 'intellectual insights' to describe the contributions from Cormier.  Hell, even Chris himself probably burst out laughing at that one, assuming someone told him what 'intellectual' meant.

Great post.  Dave puts up tons of free content and does it pretty quickly and efficiently.  I think even his haters should give him credit for that.  Whether he's doing it for his site or not, it's still good content [IMO].  LOL @ the P.T. Barnum remark.

he makes false claims and thinks people will believe him .. it's what he does

http://www.arnoldsportsfestival.com/user_files/file/2011-expo-application-6-10.pdf

ALRI said he paid $20,000 for a relatively small booth and Derek Anthony said on his radio show with Romano [if you recall the episode] that GAT was paying around $50,000 for the big shows - Maybe this included staff and travel expenses and so on.  I could see these things adding up.  Supposedly the overhead banners alone at the Gaspari booth run in the thousands.  I didn't really understand why that would be but a rep for a competing booth told me that.

Greg Kovacs is seen here by the Species booth, still huge:

As I said, I don't know anything for certain on the Species line, just observation.  The line could be failing for all I know, but I was talking to someone at the expo who is pretty involved in the industry who was confident the line was doing alright and that Dave was doing alright.  I heard from multiple sources that those 14 banners on RX are fetching $1,000 a month.  I don't see the Species/RX project failing at the moment to be honest, but who knows?  I'm not privy to the private financial data or anything and never claimed to be.

[doriancutlerman]

I wonder if Chris will talk RXMuscle into selling a bunch of hemp-related shit?

[Captain Equipoise]

What are you on about?  This clearly looks like a man who gives a shit about properly dosing his supplements.  Just an honest man trying to make a buck in today's Zionist-ran work-a-day world.  No need to be mean to him.

Great post.  Dave puts up tons of free content and does it pretty quickly and efficiently.  I think even his haters should give him credit for that.  Whether he's doing it for his site or not, it's still good content [IMO].  LOL @ the P.T. Barnum remark.

ALRI said he paid $20,000 for a relatively small booth and Derek Anthony said on his radio show with Romano [if you recall the episode] that GAT was paying around $50,000 for the big shows - Maybe this included staff and travel expenses and so on.  I could see these things adding up.  Supposedly the overhead banners alone at the Gaspari booth run in the thousands.  I didn't really understand why that would be but a rep for a competing booth told me that.

Greg Kovacs is seen here by the Species booth, still huge:

As I said, I don't know anything for certain on the Species line, just observation.  The line could be failing for all I know, but I was talking to someone at the expo who is pretty involved in the industry who was confident the line was doing alright and that Dave was doing alright.  I heard from multiple sources that those 14 banners on RX are fetching $1,000 a month.  I don't see the Species/RX project failing at the moment to be honest, but who knows?  I'm not privy to the private financial data or anything and never claimed to be.

Where is the video of that little roided out monkey at the species booth? the two bitches there were fucked up looking, but nothing compared to that little troll thing with extreme ILS and a voice deeper then barry white's