Is a calorie................

[Shockwave]

Reality check here. I don't see Jay, Ronnie, or any other pros on this board. What? Everyone here is dieting down to look great for 90 seconds on stage and a plastic trophy? Irrespective of overall health, and f*** what is considered a healthy lifestyle as long as I look good? Seriously? I'll take overall health, my three national powerlifting titles, and clean living over extremist views on dieting any day. -EK

My point was, for the people on this board shooting for low bodyfat, none of those things are as important.
They are for YOU, and thats why you choose to follow the guy with the nutritional degree.
But its stupid of you to insinuate that your choice is somehow better than other people's who have different priorities.

[EKnight]

My point was, for the people on this board shooting for low bodyfat, none of those things are as important.
They are for YOU, and thats why you choose to follow the guy with the nutritional degree.
But its stupid of you to insinuate that your choice is somehow better than other people's who have different priorities.

It's equally stupid to insinuate that the only end result of fitness should be an Olympia quality physique. -EK

[Roger Bacon]

Contest prep - Try taking the same amount of calories in donuts as you would in chicken then come back with your answer and see what your body composition looks like.. You have 8 weeks.

I thought True Adonis already proved this was possible?

[Shockwave]

It's equally stupid to insinuate that the only end result of fitness should be an Olympia quality physique. -EK

No where did I insinuate that.
I showed you how rediculous your post was with a simple parody and flip of yours.  
And you proved my point by melting down with this.

Reality check here. I don't see Jay, Ronnie, or any other pros on this board. What? Everyone here is dieting down to look great for 90 seconds on stage and a plastic trophy? Irrespective of overall health, and f*** what is considered a healthy lifestyle as long as I look good? Seriously? I'll take overall health, my three national powerlifting titles, and clean living over extremist views on dieting any day. -EK

Sorry.  

[asbrus]

just a calorie?  There was a nutritional expert on the radio who said that a calorie in a doughnut is different than a calorie found in  chicken. He stated that the body processes a calorie from a doughnut different than a calorie from a piece of chicken.

Truth?

YUP. A DIET 0F ALL CARBS AND SUGAR WILL HAVE Y0U HAVE A DIFFERENT B0DY C0MP0SITI0N THAN A DIET 0F FAT AND MEAT.

[asbrus]

A calorie is a calorie however nutrition wise you arent gonna much from a doughnut. As far weight gain/loss its all math take in more than you need you less you lose.

TRUE Y0U'LL L0SE WEIGHT BUT Y0U W0N'T HAVE THE SAME B0DY C0MP0SITI0N. A DIET FULL 0F D0NUTS WILL HAVE Y0U L0SE MUSCLE MASS ANS ST0RE B0DY FAT EVEN IN A CAL0RIE DEFECIT.

[EKnight]

Correct.
I have yet to see someone with a nutritional degree diet an olympia competitor.I think the bottom line is, nutrition people generaly have a different priority than people who visit this website.
They are not after the lowest bodyfat possible, as people who are dieting for contests are. They simply care about proper nutrition for health and mainting a certain BMI.
Of course, these are just my observations, but IMHO, im gonna follow the guys advice that gets people shredded, not the guy who has the degree in nutrition that makes people look like smaller versions of themselves.

This line implies that. Or at least it did to me. Not going to get into a pissing match with you. We disagree. Resorting to calling people stupid is childish. I apologize. -EK

[asbrus]

This line implies that. Or at least it did to me. Not going to get into a pissing match with you. We disagree. Resorting to calling people stupid is childish. I apologize. -EK

NUTRITI0NAL DEGREES ARE W0RTHLESS. IT'S A BI0CHEMISTRY DEGREE WITH RESEARCH THAT SEPARATES A DIETICIAN AT A L0CAL H0SPITAL AND A SCIENTIST.

[EKnight]

NUTRITI0NAL DEGREES ARE W0RTHLESS. IT'S A BI0CHEMISTRY DEGREE WITH RESEARCH THAT SEPARATES A DIETICIAN AT A L0CAL H0SPITAL AND A SCIENTIST.

Dumbest statement ever. Research what it takes to earn a degree in dietetics, then get back to me. And typing in all caps doesn't make your point more valid. -EK

[Shockwave]

This line implies that. Or at least it did to me. Not going to get into a pissing match with you. We disagree. Resorting to calling people stupid is childish. I apologize. -EK

Fair enough. Same here.

[asbrus]

Dumbest statement ever. Research what it takes to earn a degree in dietetics, then get back to me. And typing in all caps doesn't make your point more valid. -EK

N0T MUCH. IT'S THE SAME PR0CEDUCRE AS ANY DEGREE WITH LESS CLASSES. IN FACT I CAN GET A DIETICIAN DEGREE IN A C0UPLE 0F M0NTHS D0ING 0NLINE C0URSES. Y0U N0T KN0WING H0W EASY IT IS T0 GET SUCH A DEGREE SH0WS WHAT KIND 0F FUCKING M0R0N Y0U REALLY ARE. ANY RETARD 0FF THE STREET CAN GET A NUTRI0NAL DEGREE. IT'S THE EASIEST AND W0RTHLESS DEGREE 0UT THERE.  ME TYPING IN CAPS IS IRRELEVANT. IT D0SEN'T CHANGE THE FACTS.

[EKnight]

N0T MUCH. IT'S THE SAME PR0CEDUCRE AS ANY DEGREE WITH LESS CLASSES. IN FACT I CAN GET A DIETICIAN DEGREE IN A C0UPLE 0F M0NTHS D0ING 0NLINE C0URSES. Y0U N0T KN0WING H0W EASY IT IS T0 GET SUCH A DEGREE SH0WS WHAT KIND 0F FUCKING M0R0N Y0U REALLY ARE. ANY RETARD 0FF THE STREET CAN GET A NUTRI0NAL DEGREE. IT'S THE EASIEST AND W0RTHLESS DEGREE 0UT THERE.  ME TYPING IN CAPS IS IRRELEVANT. IT D0SEN'T CHANGE THE FACTS.

Wow. Didn't think you could post something dumber than your initial post, but you proved me wrong. You can NOT get a dietician degree (at least not one accepted by any hospitals) online. U of Phoenix doesn't offer a program in it, and Kaplan's is worhtless. A nutritional certificatiom (the kind you get online) is NOT the same thing as a degree in dietetics. For shits and giggles, here's the requirements from UNC- but ANY medical school is going to be pretty mush the same (that's right, medical school). In addition to holding a BS in some science, you need the following for an MS: 37 hours in non-thesis work and 40 hours in thesis specific work. For the Doctoral program, you need an ADDITIONAL 40+ hours and a dissertation. I'm premed, I know what I'm talking about here. -EK

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Damn, you sound like one of them liberals you hate so much.

lol

[Team Diver]

just a calorie?  There was a nutritional expert on the radio who said that a calorie in a doughnut is different than a calorie found in  chicken. He stated that the body processes a calorie from a doughnut different than a calorie from a piece of chicken.

Truth?

as far as calore is concerned, no difference. But as "they" say for example, rice is much better for glycogen loading than let's say potato or bread. Proteins also have a "biological value", different amino acid profile, so maybe chicken and egg is better than soy. And so on.. It's not all about calories.

[JP_RC]

TRUE Y0U'LL L0SE WEIGHT BUT Y0U W0N'T HAVE THE SAME B0DY C0MP0SITI0N. A DIET FULL 0F D0NUTS WILL HAVE Y0U L0SE MUSCLE MASS ANS ST0RE B0DY FAT EVEN IN A CAL0RIE DEFECIT.

I've read it all here on getbig.     

[wes]

My diet is super strict at the moment and extremely healthy.

Clean/lean protein sources,low complex clean carbs,low fats and no saturated fat,lots of fibrous vegetables,lots of clean water,and best of all,no chemicals,no sugars,no greasy stuff to clog the intestines as well as the arteries,and I`m looking pretty fucking good to boot.

Have another donut,I`ll eat my tuna,water,and rice cakes with a bit of old natty PB ! 

[funk51]

just a calorie?  There was a nutritional expert on the radio who said that a calorie in a doughnut is different than a calorie found in  chicken. He stated that the body processes a calorie from a doughnut different than a calorie from a piece of chicken.

Truth?

search dr.c.f.smith for his take on the subject.

[asbrus]

Wow. Didn't think you could post something dumber than your initial post, but you proved me wrong. You can NOT get a dietician degree (at least not one accepted by any hospitals) online. U of Phoenix doesn't offer a program in it, and Kaplan's is worhtless. A nutritional certificatiom (the kind you get online) is NOT the same thing as a degree in dietetics. For shits and giggles, here's the requirements from UNC- but ANY medical school is going to be pretty mush the same (that's right, medical school). In addition to holding a BS in some science, you need the following for an MS: 37 hours in non-thesis work and 40 hours in thesis specific work. For the Doctoral program, you need an ADDITIONAL 40+ hours and a dissertation. I'm premed, I know what I'm talking about here. -EK

 WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING AB0UT AN MS? I'M N0T TALKING AB0UT A PHD 0R MS IN NUTRITI0N AND EVEN THEN IT'S STILL CAKEWALK C0MPARED T0 A BI0CHEM DEGREE.

[EKnight]

WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING AB0UT AN MS? I'M N0T TALKING AB0UT A PHD 0R MS IN NUTRITI0N AND EVEN THEN IT'S STILL CAKEWALK C0MPARED T0 A BI0CHEM DEGREE.

How's that work? You would need either a degree in Bio, chem or biochem to get into the program. Stop talking. You're embarrasing yourself. -EK

[JP_RC]

search dr.c.f.smith for his take on the subject.

I've read he sort of advocated calorie is a calorie, am I right?

[asbrus]

How's that work? You would need either a degree in Bio, chem or biochem to get into the program. Stop talking. You're embarrasing yourself. -EK

N0 Y0U D0N'T. PLENTY 0F UNIVERSITIES 0FFER A BS IN NUTRITI0N.  I'LL GIVE Y0U 0NE.

http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/undergrad/index.cfm

[EKnight]

N0 Y0U D0N'T. PLENTY 0F UNIVERSITIES 0FFER A BS IN NUTRITI0N.

Either way, you still can not get a DEGREE in dietetics online or as an undergraduate. What part of that do you not get? -EK

[asbrus]

Either way, you still can not get a DEGREE in dietetics online or as an undergraduate. What part of that do you not get? -EK

Undergraduate Majors
The Clinical Nutrition (formerly Dietetics) major incorporates the same basic core of nutrition classes as the Nutrition Science major, but includes additional courses such as food service management, education, sociology, and communication skills to prepare for work with the public. Clinical Nutrition students spend the first two years completing preparatory course work in the basic biological sciences, along with several of the social sciences. In the final two years, students take courses in normal and clinical nutrition, food science, biochemistry, and management techniques. A checklist for the Clinical Nutrition major is also available online.



http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/undergrad/index.cfm

[EKnight]

Undergraduate Majors
The Clinical Nutrition (formerly Dietetics) major incorporates the same basic core of nutrition classes as the Nutrition Science major, but includes additional courses such as food service management, education, sociology, and communication skills to prepare for work with the public. Clinical Nutrition students spend the first two years completing preparatory course work in the basic biological sciences, along with several of the social sciences. In the final two years, students take courses in normal and clinical nutrition, food science, biochemistry, and management techniques. A checklist for the Clinical Nutrition major is also available online.



http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/undergrad/index.cfm

Thanks for proving my point for me. Formerly means just that- formerly, as in "not any more." -EK

[asbrus]

Thanks for proving my point for me. Formerly means just that- formerly, as in "not any more." -EK

I THINK Y0U'RE QUITE P0SSIBLY THE STUPIDEST PERS0N 0N THIS F0RUM EVER. F0RMELY MEANS THE NAMES WAS CHANGED Y0U DIMWIT. HERE'S AN0THER EXAMPLE. DIETETICS AND NUTRI0NAL SCIENCE ARE TW0 DIFFERENT THINGS.

http://fshn.msu.edu/programs/dietetics_degreerequirements.html


Dietetics
Requirements for the Bachelor of Science Degree
120 semester credits required for graduation

University Requirements in Integrative Studies
College of Agriculture & Natural Resources Requirements
Major Requirements
Supporting Discipline Courses
Professional Courses
Electives