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« Reply #300 on: October 06, 2011, 11:41:24 AM »
Gunwalker: Holder Got ‘At Least Five Weekly Memos’
Pajamas Media ^ | October 6, 2011 | Bob Owens





Drama: Eric Holder faces damning evidence, while the White House and MSM rearrange the deck chairs.


The thrusting and parrying between Obama administration officials, increasingly inquisitive journalists, and congressional investigators is evolving at a dizzying pace, as the Gunwalker conspiracy continues to unravel — to the horror of the Executive branch. They have been reduced to screaming hysterics and Chip Dilleresque appeals to “ calm down ” by one of the most dramatic scandals in American political history.

An attempt by the Obama administration — funneled through the Associated Press — to claim equivalence between a Bush-era cartel weapons interdiction program and the current administration’s plot to arm cartel members was debunked earlier today in a PJ Media exclusive. The Bush-era operation had no intention of allowing guns to walk, whereas Operation Fast and Furious and other alleged gunwalking programs were intentionally designed criminal enterprises.

Several congressmen and senators have voiced their concerns over the unfolding scandal in the past 24 hours. Senator Charles Grassley and House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa released a statement via Grassley’s office this morning, excoriating Attorney General Eric Holder’s apparent perjury in his sworn testimony in front of the Oversight committee earlier this year.

The statement says in part:

Senator Chuck Grassley and Congressman Darrell Issa today said that Attorney General Eric Holder received at least five weekly memos beginning in July 2010, including four weeks in a row, describing the ill-advised strategy known as Operation Fast and Furious. The memos were to Holder from Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center.

The Attorney General told Issa during a House Judiciary Committee in May 2011 that he had just learned of Fast and Furious a few weeks before. Yet, on January 31, in a previously scheduled meeting, Grassley personally handed him two letters about Fast and Furious. Grassley and Issa said they find it very troubling that Holder actually knew of Operation Fast and Furious much earlier, and in greater detail than he ever let on.

The memos specifically said that the straw buyers were “responsible for the purchase of 1500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”

“With the fairly detailed information that the Attorney General read, it seems the logical question for the Attorney General after reading in the memo would be “why haven’t we stopped them?” Grassley said. “And if he didn’t ask the questions, why didn’t he or somebody in his office?”

The Daily Caller goes into more detail, noting :

Holder received briefing memos from National Drug Intelligence Center Director Michael Walther on July 5, July 12, July 19, July 26, and August 9.

The damning confirmation that Holder received weekly updates about the gunwalking operation which specifically informed him that 1,500 guns had been delivered to the Sinaloa cartel by that time, builds a stronger case that the Attorney General committed perjury. Arizona Rep. Paul Goser went even further in a statement yesterday, asserting that the Obama administration was guilty of of far more:
Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.

“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”

Texas Senator John Cornyn was just as adamant in a series of interviews, revealing that Fast and Furious weapons are confirmed to have been recovered at 11 separate crime scenes within the United States so far. Cornyn bluntly accused Attorney General Holder of leading a Department of Justice coverup, a charge which emerging evidence seems to support. Cornyn wants Holder back under oath testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee:

“It’s looking more and more like the typical Washington scenario where people get caught doing bad things, but actually the cover-up ends up being worse than the original offense,” Cornyn, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on a conference call with reporters.

Newspaper op-eds, such as this one from Investors Business Daily, are beginning to call for Eric Holder’s criminal indictment.

Amid the onslaught, the administration has offered nothing in the way of accountability and only a superficial offering of change by rearranging staff within the ATF. It seems that the administration, from the White House down through the Department of Justice into the ATF, apparently thinks it can get away with little or no real consequences for a criminal conspiracy they orchestrated. They have been blamed for providing weapons that have killed 200 or more Mexican citizens, and that have been linked to the shootings of three federal law enforcement officers — two of whom were killed.

The New York Times, Washington Post and Associated Press seem to be doing everything within their considerable power to minimize the crimes alleged against the administration, even as they overstate the rearranging of the deck chairs on Captain Obama’s sinking ship.

There may ten or more gunwalking operations in five states, yet the part-time acting director of the ATF — who was also conspicuously the Chairman of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee and allegedly briefed on Operation Fast and Furious, according to documents obtained by Senator Grassley — can’t seem to find them .

Perhaps being a “part-time acting director” is a do-nothing job in which he has no power, influence, or interest. Or perhaps he’s covering his own hide, much like the acting DOJ inspector general who leaked information to the alleged co-conspirators she is supposed to be investigating.

If there are ten or more gunwalking operations just half the size of Operation Fast and Furious, then 12,000 weapons were supplied to criminals by our federal government — enough to arm three U.S. Army infantry brigades. If each operation was roughly as large as Fast and Furious, we’re looking at more than 20,000 weapons — enough to equip a U.S. infantry division.

The possibilities suggest that the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, State Department, and White House committed felony crimes domestically and internationally on a nearly unimaginable scale.

The Obama administration is still defending Eric Holder:

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Holder has been “consistent and truthful” about when he learned of the controversial tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious, which oversaw the sale of thousands of firearms to known and suspected straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels.

“The president believes he’s an excellent attorney general and has great confidence in him, and we absolutely know that the testimony he gave was consistent and truthful,” Carney told reporters at a press briefing.

What else can they say? An administration neck-deep in felony crimes isn’t going to turn on one of their co-conspirators without a solid exit plan.

Between possible charges of accessory to murder, violations of international terrorism laws, felony violations of arms export laws, and possible treason, Franklin’s advice to hang together to avoid hanging separately is far more literal than anyone would have ever dreamed just a week ago.


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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #301 on: October 06, 2011, 02:13:28 PM »
HUGO - have you ever seen this before? 


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« Reply #302 on: October 06, 2011, 02:36:19 PM »
Labrador Calls for Resignation of Attorney General Holder Over "Fast and Furious" Testimony...
House.gov ^ | Thursday October 06, 2011 | Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)





WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Idaho First Congressional District Congressman Raúl R. Labrador called for the resignation of United States Attorney General Eric Holder after evidence of discrepancies in his previous testimony before the House Committee on the Judiciary was brought to light by a national media outlet.

Mr. Labrador has been critical of potential abuses of the Bureau of Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BAFTE) since his March 17, 2011 letter to Oversight Chairman Darrel Issa urging his committee to conduct in-depth investigations into allegations of weapons being sold, with federal government complicity, to Mexican cartels. Over 1,500 such weapons remain unaccounted for and already one was found at the scene of the death of an American law enforcement officer.

Labrador stated, “I first learned about Fast and Furious early this year from several of my constituents. I then asked Chairman Issa to hold hearings on the topic. As I attended the hearings and reviewed the evidence, I was careful to not jump to any conclusions about the extent of Mr. Holder’s involvement. However, the recently published documents that directly link Mr. Holder to Fast and Furious have convinced me that he is either lying or grossly incompetent.”

Rep. Labrador continued, “The Attorney General of the United States has an obligation to provide truthful and accurate testimony to Congress. When Attorney General Eric Holder testified before Congress on May 3, his statements were either untrue or deliberately misleading. It is clear from recently-released documents that Mr. Holder did in fact know about Fast and Furious well before he publicly admitted. Attorney General Holder has a troubling pattern of failed cooperation with the legislative branch. Because of this intentional stonewalling and his misleading testimony, I now call for Mr. Holder’s resignation. It is clear he has not been honest about the extent of his involvement with the failed Fast and Furious program and should not be entrusted with managing the Department of Justice.“

“He cannot avoid responsibility for his involvement with a government program that directly led to the tragic death of a decorated U.S. Border Patrol agent. As our nation’s top enforcer of the principles of law and justice, Mr. Holder has lost all credibility and should step down immediately. The question now is if Mr. Holder is he only protecting himself or is he also protecting others - perhaps all the way to the top of the administration,” Labrador concluded.

Documents linking Eric Holder to Fast and Furious can be seen at CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-201

Key Facts about Fast and Furious from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform’s Joint Staff Report (full report available online) http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/ATF_Report.pdf:

• ATF agents are trained to “follow the gun” and interdict weapons whenever possible.

• Operation Fast and Furious required agents to abandon this training.

• ATF agents complained about the strategy of allowing guns to walk in Operation Fast and Furious. Leadership ignored their concerns. Instead, supervisors told the agents to “get with the program” because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.

• Agents knew that given the large numbers of weapons being trafficked to Mexico, tragic results were a near certainty.

• Agents expected to interdict weapons, yet were told to stand down and “just surveil.” Agents therefore did not act. They watched straw purchasers buy hundreds of weapons illegally and transfer those weapons to unknown third parties and stash houses.

• Jaime Avila was entered as a suspect in the investigation by ATF on November 25, 2009, after purchasing weapons alongside Uriel Patino, who had been identified as a suspect in October 2009. Over the next month and a half, Avila purchased 13 more weapons, each recorded by the ATF in its database within days of the purchase. Then on January 16, 2010, Avila purchased three AK-47 style rifles, two of which ended up being found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. The death of Border Agent Brian Terry was likely a preventable tragedy.

• Phoenix ATF Special Agent in Charge (SAC) William Newell’s statement that the indictments represent the take-down of a firearms trafficking ring from top to bottom, and his statement that ATF never allowed guns to walk are incredible, false, and a source of much frustration to the agents. Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, DOJ continues to deny that Operation Fast and Furious was ill-conceived and had deadly consequences



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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #303 on: October 06, 2011, 02:43:15 PM »
it was unpatriotic to want to investigate the death of 3,000 americans on 9/11.

But everyone is so upset about guns that were using, for the most part, to kill mexicans.  Just a small # of americans by comparison.

Aside from the fact that obama/holder belongin a cell for it - because they do - we really see the partisan nature of people who only like investigations when it will hurt the party they dislike - not because they care about the lives of fellow americans or the law.

33 doesn't care about F&F because he worries about the safety of the american people - he just cares about whatever takes obama down.

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« Reply #304 on: October 06, 2011, 02:46:56 PM »
it was unpatriotic to want to investigate the death of 3,000 americans on 9/11.

But everyone is so upset about guns that were using, for the most part, to kill mexicans.  Just a small # of americans by comparison.

Aside from the fact that obama/holder belongin a cell for it - because they do - we really see the partisan nature of people who only like investigations when it will hurt the party they dislike - not because they care about the lives of fellow americans or the law.

33 doesn't care about F&F because he worries about the safety of the american people - he just cares about whatever takes obama down.


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« Reply #305 on: October 06, 2011, 03:06:48 PM »
when you resort to pics, everyone here knows you dont havea  counter point.

you dont care about lives, guns, etc.

you are about getting obama out of office.  you'd be screaming just as loud if he shot his load on a fat intern.

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« Reply #306 on: October 06, 2011, 03:11:24 PM »
when you resort to pics, everyone here knows you dont havea  counter point.

you dont care about lives, guns, etc.

you are about getting obama out of office.  you'd be screaming just as loud if he shot his load on a fat intern.

I care about the 2nd amendment and what your messiah tried to do here.   

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« Reply #307 on: October 06, 2011, 03:41:26 PM »
I care about the 2nd amendment and what your messiah tried to do here.   

you care more about the 2nd amendment than you do american lives?

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« Reply #308 on: October 06, 2011, 03:44:37 PM »
you care more about the 2nd amendment than you do american lives?

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« Reply #309 on: October 06, 2011, 04:06:32 PM »
8 months now 180 has been claiming this was going away. For 8 months now it's been growing by the day.

Almost as funny as 180 claiming Scott would finish 3rd in the Florida governor race.

Has this douche ever been right about ANYTHING?

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« Reply #310 on: October 06, 2011, 04:10:08 PM »
8 months now 180 has been claiming this was going. For 8 months now it's been growing by the day.

Almost as funny as 180 claiming Scott would finish 3rd in the Florida governor race.

Has this douche ever been right about ANYTHING?

for someone who claims to be voting for the GOP next year - its just very odd the lengths he goes to provide cover for obama. 

This scandal is perhaps the worst WH scandal in our history so far and 240 thinks its just going to go away?   

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« Reply #311 on: October 06, 2011, 04:11:02 PM »
for someone who claims to be voting for the GOP next year - its just very odd the lengths he goes to provide cover for obama. 

This scandal is perhaps the worst WH scandal in our history so far and 240 thinks its just going to go away?   

40,000 posts defending everything the guy does and yet he still thinks he can play the "I'm actually a conservative voter" angle.

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« Reply #312 on: October 06, 2011, 04:22:34 PM »
The fact is that as of TODAY:

1.  2 U.S. dead law enforcement - Terry and Zapata

2.  200 Dead Mexicans

3.  1500 unaccounted for rifles that will obviously be used in future crimes and murders in Mexico

4.  1000 unaccounted for rifles out of Tampa ATF

5.  Mexican AG telling us that she was never told of this and that she still cant get answers on this. 

6.  Mexican prosecutor had brother murdered w a F&F AK47

7.  AG committing perjury 

8.  Mexican ATF liasons not being told of this

9.  WH Counsel Lanny Breur as well as NSC liason in the WH were both advised of this program via Newell, who also lied on the stand.



and this is all no biggie?     


   

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« Reply #313 on: October 06, 2011, 04:24:25 PM »
The fact is that as of TODAY:

1.  2 U.S. dead law enforcement - Terry and Zapata

2.  200 Dead Mexicans

3.  1500 unaccounted for rifles that will obviously be used in future crimes and murders in Mexico

4.  1000 unaccounted for rifles out of Tampa ATF

5.  Mexican AG telling us that she was never told of this and that she still cant get answers on this. 

6.  Mexican prosecutor had brother murdered w a F&F AK47

7.  AG committing perjury 

8.  Mexican ATF liasons not being told of this

9.  WH Counsel Lanny Breur as well as NSC liason in the WH were both advised of this program via Newell, who also lied on the stand.



and this is all no biggie?     


   

180 is right there with the NY Slimes, WaPo and AP trying to marginalize the damage of this. They're huffing and puffing but that house just won't go down.


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« Reply #314 on: October 06, 2011, 04:27:34 PM »
Oh I forgot - the WH NSC rep O'Reilly who Newell informed of this just got sent to Iraq by Hillary for assignment and is unavailable to testify.   Guess why?   

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« Reply #315 on: October 06, 2011, 07:47:06 PM »
This BITCH HOLDER needs to go to pound me in the ass prison. I would love to see this happen.

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« Reply #316 on: October 07, 2011, 12:10:14 AM »
HUGO - have you ever seen this before? 


yea, isn't this the video we were talking about the other day when I had that brain fart about what the Mexican government knew?

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« Reply #317 on: October 07, 2011, 03:25:55 AM »
yea, isn't this the video we were talking about the other day when I had that brain fart about what the Mexican government knew?

No, this was the deputy AG in early 2009 saying new gun tracing programs were going to be run along the border.   What was he referring to? 

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« Reply #318 on: October 07, 2011, 06:11:32 AM »
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« Reply #319 on: October 07, 2011, 07:01:23 AM »
This BITCH HOLDER needs to go to pound me in the ass prison. I would love to see this happen.

dude.. use quotation marks... the first 2 times i read this i figured you for a flaming homo

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« Reply #320 on: October 07, 2011, 07:40:12 AM »
No, this was the deputy AG in early 2009 saying new gun tracing programs were going to be run along the border.   What was he referring to?  
yea, it's the same video you posted in the thread I was talking about.  You posted it at the bottom of your first post in this thread:  My comments in that thread were based on this video.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=397495.msg5627119#msg5627119

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« Reply #321 on: October 07, 2011, 07:41:42 AM »
yea, it's the same video you posted in the thread I was talking about.  You posted it at the bottom of your first post in this thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=397495.msg5627119#msg5627119

Mexico has said numerous times they were never ever told of the gun walking as a policy.  Same as ATF agents down in Mexico whose job it was to be a liason w Mexican Govt. 

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« Reply #322 on: October 07, 2011, 07:47:35 AM »
Mexico has said numerous times they were never ever told of the gun walking as a policy.  Same as ATF agents down in Mexico whose job it was to be a liason w Mexican Govt. 
I know, that's what we talked about in that thread.  I agreed.  Remember the post where I said I had a brain fart and I get it now and then you said "exactly" when I explained it?  How did you forget about this from just the other day lol?

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« Reply #323 on: October 07, 2011, 07:49:48 AM »
I know, that's what we talked about in that thread.  I agreed.  Remember the post where I said I had a brain fart and I get it now and then you said "exactly" when I explained it?  How did you forget about this from just the other day lol?

Dont know.  But no one is fessing up who authorized this since it was never permissible policy.   They are trying to blame Bush which is nonsense because the small few cases they did do that in, they arrested the guy right after the purchase and never let the guns walk over the border or outside the view of the ATF agents. 

The exact opposite happened here at least 2000 times. 

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« Reply #324 on: October 07, 2011, 08:07:46 AM »
Dont know.  But no one is fessing up who authorized this since it was never permissible policy.   They are trying to blame Bush which is nonsense because the small few cases they did do that in, they arrested the guy right after the purchase and never let the guns walk over the border or outside the view of the ATF agents. 

The exact opposite happened here at least 2000 times. 
you post so much that thread was like 10 years ago in 333386 years. :D

Well for sure Obama gets the blame, this shit happened under Obama.  If Bush gets any blame, that's stuff we don't know about yet.