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Re: Get the leg irons ready - Holder is going to jail for perjury.
« Reply #425 on: October 14, 2011, 09:02:37 AM »
actually the article detailed how we used the same tactics, but the results were different. they lost the guns, couldn't track them.  that was an enforcement failure, but i'm not about to attack a US law enforcement agency.  Police do good work.  Did you not see Beach Bums' law enforcement appreciation thread?  I suggest you read that thread before you blindly throw criticism at our brave american law enforcement agents.

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« Reply #426 on: October 14, 2011, 09:05:55 AM »
actually the article detailed how we used the same tactics, but the results were different. they lost the guns, couldn't track them.  that was an enforcement failure, but i'm not about to attack a US law enforcement agency.  Police do good work.  Did you not see Beach Bums' law enforcement appreciation thread?  I suggest you read that thread before you blindly throw criticism at our brave american law enforcement agents.

They didnt lose anything moron!  They intentionally let them walk w no tracing at all. 

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« Reply #427 on: October 14, 2011, 10:29:38 AM »
They didnt lose anything moron!  They intentionally let them walk w no tracing at all. 

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« Reply #428 on: October 14, 2011, 10:35:16 AM »
Did you watch any of the hearings? 

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« Reply #429 on: October 14, 2011, 10:43:46 AM »
Did you watch any of the hearings? 

I do not need to.  Holder lied over and over.  Video proves it.  They fed guns to gangs for their own agenda.  fact.

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« Reply #430 on: October 14, 2011, 06:42:45 PM »
Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
Pajamas ^ | 7/22/11 | Bob Owens
Posted on July 22, 2011 3:10:58 PM EDT by ZGuy

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

Robert “Tosh” Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, told the Times he supported Jordan’s allegations, adding that the Zetas have reportedly bought property in the Columbus, N.M., border region to stash weapons and other contraband.

“From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales Program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”

The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. It regulates and licenses private U.S. companies’ overseas sales of weapons and other defense materials, defense services, and military training. This does not include the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which authorized sales to foreign governments.

An El Paso Times article – as of now ignored by mainstream media — went into much more shocking detail:

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

“The information about the arms trafficking was provided to our U.S. authorities long before the ‘Columbus 11′ investigation began,” said Plumlee, referring to recent indictments accusing several Columbus city officials of arms trafficking in conjunction with alleged accomplices in El Paso and Chaparral, N.M.

Jesús Rejón Aguilar, the number three man in the Zeta’s hierarchy, disclosed last week that the Zetas bought weapons in the United States and transported them across the Rio Grande. Mexican federal authorities captured Rejón on July 3 in the state of Mexico, and presented him to the news media the next day. His recorded video statement was uploaded on YouTube.

Jordan agreed with Plumlee’s allegations that the Zetas are operating in the Columbus-Palomas border.

Plumlee, who has testified before U.S. congressional committees about arms and drug trafficking, said the roads in Southern New Mexico provide smugglers easy access to Mexico’s highway networks.

Insight.org provides a map of the air-smuggling route originating in Dallas at Alliance Airport and ending in Columbus, New Mexico — a small town that has also been rocked by the arrests and guilty pleas of the town mayor and other elected officials who were running guns to a cartel safehouse, and then apparently into Mexico.

There is no direct link made as of yet between the Columbus, NM, officials case and the allegations of the Dallas-to-Columbus air smuggling route, but the possible connection should raise eyebrows.

If these allegations can be verified: what on Earth was the State Department thinking supplying the direct sale of military weapons to a cartel front company? Weapons that were then smuggled out of the very airport used by the Drug Enforcement Agency charged with bringing down the cartels?

Anthony Martin at the Examiner brings up one of the most damning and compelling questions that the State Department and Obama administration must answer if this story is true:

The program is set up so that the sale of U.S. guns to foreign entities involve direct negotiations with the governments of those countries purchasing the weapons. The description of the program specifically states that it regulates the sale of U.S. firearms to other countries or international organizations.

How, then, did a drug cartel purchase weapons through this program when it is neither an international organization nor a government?

At The Truth About Guns, Brad Kozak opines:

The ATF was not the only ones running guns to Mexico. Apparently the State Department was playing, too. And then consider this angle — was the State Department competing with the ATF for the hearts and minds of the Mexican drug trade?



If the ATF is supplying the Sinaloas (with Calderón’s tacit approval and/or help) and State is playing for the Zetas, where does that leave the rest of America?

It sounds like a fictional thriller, but considering what we’ve already learned of Operation Fast and Furious, the Justice Department, and the possibility of even more gunrunning operations (Operation Castaway) out of DOJ, is a rival program being run out of State really a bizarre accusation?

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« Reply #431 on: October 14, 2011, 06:58:36 PM »
‘Fast and Furious’ Flashback: Big Sis Brags About Weapons Tracing Program In 2009 (video)
Breitbart.TV ^ | 10/14/2011




At a March 2009 press conference announcing tough initiatives to help with crime on the US/Mexican border, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napalotano brags about and takes ownership of a program that sounds mysteriously like "Fast and Furious"

http://www.breitbart.tv/fast-and-furious-flashback-big-sis-brags-about-weapons-tracing-program-in-2009



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« Reply #432 on: October 15, 2011, 05:04:55 AM »
‘Hiding in plain sight’—How did Obama know about ‘Gunwalker’ before Holder?
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 14 October, 2011 | David Codrea
Posted on October 15, 2011 7:49:27 AM EDT by marktwain

“CNN's John King discovers an interview with President Barack Obama that directly refutes Attorney General Eric Holder's testimony before congress,” the caption for a video posted on BreitbartTV claims.

The reason for this claim is because Obama spoke about “Fast and Furious” in March. Holder declared in May that he had only heard about the gunwalking program “for the first time over the last few weeks.”

“CNN's John King discovers an interview with President Barack Obama that directly refutes Attorney General Eric Holder's testimony before congress,” the caption for a video posted on BreitbartTV claims.

The reason for this claim is because Obama spoke about “Fast and Furious” in March. Holder declared in May that he had only heard about the gunwalking program “for the first time over the last few weeks.”

“I'm ashamed I didn't pick up on this before,” Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars admits. “Sheesh, it was hiding in plain sight.”

Vanderboegh is not the only one who missed the obvious. Even more embarrassing, Gun Rights Examiner reported “Holder revelations contradict Obama’s ‘Gunwalker’ assertions” on October 4, referencing the same video King “discovered,” but failed to notice and note the date of the president’s interview. Advertisement

The King report concludes with Rep. Elijah Cummings, who continues with his partisan covering for Holder while, in other venues, he attacks the efforts of Darrell Issa as “a gross abuse of Committee authority.” Considering his personal culpability in ignoring allegations of corruption and abuse by ATF agents at a time when “Gunwalker” could have been nipped in the bud, that is hardly surprising.

See the sidebar video player for the president’s admission that he—and Holder—knew about “Fast and Furious” before Holder testified he did.

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« Reply #433 on: October 15, 2011, 05:52:41 AM »
End of the week: Fox’s O’Reilly thinks Holder will have to resign(gunwalker)
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 14 October, 2011 | Dave Workman
Posted on October 15, 2011 8:41:44 AM EDT by marktwain

It has been a tough week for Attorney General Eric Holder, despite an attempted defense by Democrat spinmeister Lanny Davis, and it was wrapping up Friday morning with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly predicting Holder will have to resign, and Sen. Charles Grassley saying he will ask for the resignation of whomever “signed off’ on Operation Fast and Furious.

“I think he’s going to have to resign.”—Bill O’Reilly
For an administration that came into office in 2009 promising to be the most transparent in history, the Obama administration is suddenly drowning in scandals. Not only is there Fast and Furious, but there is also Solyndra — a controversy that has nothing to do with firearms or gun rights, but everything to do with how this administration has evidently been conducting its affairs.

This column will focus on Fast and Furious, because this could be the career killer, not only for Holder, but for several career bureaucrats at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Advertisement

O’Reilly’s remarks came during a segment of the morning show “Fox and Friends.” He appeared just days after an exchange on his own program with former prosecutors Lis Wiehl and Kimberly Guilfoyle, both of whom also thought Holder is essentially toast. This column discussed that.

For his part, Davis— writing in The Hill — is attempting to spin the Fast and Furious probe as nothing more than crass partisanship, and he wants it to end. Of course he does, as do all Democrat Obama loyalists, because they recognize this as an anchor that could drag down their president in 2012.

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« Reply #434 on: October 15, 2011, 10:05:27 AM »
Plot Against Second Amendment
Newsmax ^ | 10/15/2011 | Martin Gould and Ashley Martella




The government-sanctioned gunrunning operation, Fast and Furious, was a plot to undermine Second Amendment rights in the United States, National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre charged on Friday in an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV.

“It’s the only thing that makes any sense,” LaPierre said. “Over a period of two or three years they were running thousands and thousands of guns to the most evil people on earth. At the same time they were yelling ’90 per cent… of the guns the Mexican drug cartels are using come from the United States.’


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« Reply #435 on: October 15, 2011, 10:13:01 AM »
"“It’s the only thing that makes any sense"


Sorry, but WLP is going to need more evidence than that.

To a 5 year old, santa leaving presents under his tree "“is the only thing that makes any sense".

LaPierre is seeing dropping donations and recently had to admit Obama hasn't gone after gun rights.  NRA is in very weak position for 2012.  THis is the only lifeline WLP has seen in 3 years... he's BEGGING for it to be connected to 2nd amendment, for his own political viability.

So his bias (plus admitted lack of any evidence) excludes him from being credible on this matter.

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« Reply #436 on: October 16, 2011, 02:23:53 PM »
Issa: Justice Dept. answers on Fast and Furious full of 'inconsistencies'
The Hill ^ | October 16, 2011 | Meghashyam Mali
Posted on October 16, 2011 2:54:43 PM EDT by jazusamo

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Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee said Attorney General Eric Holder "clearly knew more than" he revealed to Congress about a controversial gun-tracking program and said his probe of the matter had revealed clear “inconsistencies.”

"He clearly knew more than he -- than he said when he said he only first heard of this program a few weeks before,” said Issa on CBS News' Face the Nation.

“I take him at the word, but only if we can have the kind of dialogue that allows us to ask, if you will, the 20 questions," he said defending his decision last week to subpoena Holder and other senior Justice Dept. officials for documents related to the Fast and Furious gun tracking operation. At issue is when Holder first learned about the botched operation.

"What he said was he first heard of this program a few weeks before. If he now wants to say that he knew a lot about it from the at least five briefings he had but he didn't know as much, we'd like him to come back and say, OK, that was an inaccurate statement; here's what I knew and when I knew it," Issa said.

Under the operation, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives oversaw the sale of firearms to known or suspected straw buyers for Mexican gun cartels. However, the guns were not properly supervised. Two guns sold through the operation were found at the murder scene of a Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry, last year.

On Sunday, Issa also questioned the FBI's handling of evidence at the murder scene.

"When you have tickets that are numbered 2 and 3 and there's no ticket 1, in other words, the weapon -- one weapon has a 2; one has a three on it, there's no 1, when agents who were at Brian Terry's funeral made statements to his mother indicating that there were three weapons, when the two weapons that they have tested don't conclusively match up, then you look and say, well, was there a third weapon at the scene?" said Issa.

The congressman said he had found "inconsistencies" in his investigation. "You get these inconsistencies. In an investigation, as you know, because you are an investigative reporter, you follow the inconsistencies,” he noted.

“Some of them lead nowhere. In this case, these inconsistencies and the fact that the family is still not getting the kind of treatment you would expect as crime victims and crime victims of a law enforcement officer cause us to say, well, let's look at the FBI," he added.

Issa would not call though for the attorney general's resignation, saying the issue was "for the president to decide."

Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.) the ranking Democrat on the committee however blasted Issa for failing to provide a "responsible and balanced investigation."

"Chairman Issa goes out there and Republicans accusing the highest law enforcement officer in the land of being an accessory to murder, and things of that nature and calling for his resignation," said Cummings. "All we want is what I've said. We want a responsible and balanced investigation..."

Cummings said that the controversial gun-tracking program was hatched by local agents in the Phoenix office and not by Holder or senior officials in Washington.

"The supervisors in the Phoenix office never communicated with people higher up. And all the evidence that I've seen points that this was more of a local issue that never got to higher-ups," he said. "And certainly there is nothing, that nobody has said that the attorney general was briefed about it," he added in defense of Holder.





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« Reply #437 on: October 17, 2011, 07:31:21 PM »
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/17/fast-furious-how-a-botched-operation-spawned-fatal/?page=all



Great frigging article!!!   Too long to post, but very informative on this topic.

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« Reply #438 on: October 18, 2011, 05:54:47 AM »
Obama's Gunwalker damage control--"nobody knew"
Conservative Examiner ^ | 17 October, 2011 | Anthony Martin




As the Administration of Barack Obama continues to shift into damage control mode in light of the Project Gunwalker scandal, not only are officials seeking to blame George W. Bush, but the overall strategy seems to be to engage in the unanimous claim that 'nobody knew about it.'

Congressman Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, appeared on CBS News' Face the Nation yesterday morning and provided viewers with a sample of the nature of the damage control in which the Administration and Democrats in Congress intend to engage. The following is a portion of the transcripts from the show during which Cummings told reporter Bob Schieffer that nobody in the top tier of the Justice Department knew anything about Operation Fast and Furious:


REPRESENTATIVE ELIJAH CUMMINGS: And so in other words, it-- it was hatched in the Phoenix office of the ATF. And the-- the sad part about it is that the supervisors in the Phoenix office never communicated with people higher up. And all the evidence that I've seen points that this was a more of a local issue that never got to higher-ups. And certainly there was nothing, that nobody has said that the attorney general was briefed about it.



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« Reply #439 on: October 18, 2011, 06:37:44 AM »
REPRESENTATIVE ELIJAH CUMMINGS: And so in other words, it-- it was hatched in the Phoenix office of the ATF. And the-- the sad part about it is that the supervisors in the Phoenix office never communicated with people higher up. And all the evidence that I've seen points that this was a more of a local issue that never got to higher-ups. And certainly there was nothing, that nobody has said that the attorney general was briefed about it.

as I predicted.  You just found your fall guy.

the PHX crew will begrudgingly accept responsibility for not reporting it upward.  Nobody loses their job - they'll all get quietly promoted in another year or two. 

Obama/Holder never get touched by this.  As predicted.

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« Reply #440 on: October 18, 2011, 07:13:55 AM »
as I predicted.  You just found your fall guy.

the PHX crew will begrudgingly accept responsibility for not reporting it upward.  Nobody loses their job - they'll all get quietly promoted in another year or two. 

Obama/Holder never get touched by this.  As predicted.


I think you don't even know thew details of this mess do you?  

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« Reply #441 on: October 18, 2011, 07:50:27 AM »

I think you don't even know thew details of this mess do you? 

as much as I can tell, holder was bragging about it and knew all about it - then lied and said he didn't.

this is the facts, i agree with everything you say.

BUT

I believe nobody is going to jail for it.  Middle mgmt will fall on the grenade and get a raise/promotion quietly down the road for it.  EVERYONE that dropped the ball on 911 got a raise/promotion within 2 years.  They learned from pearl harbor - if you punish people/demand a public embarassment - people talk.  Won't happen here.  You'll get a nice scooter libby to say "my bad, it was all me" and he'll get paid.

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« Reply #442 on: October 18, 2011, 09:06:10 AM »
Newell was in direct communication with the WH over this.  The guy was shipped off to Iraq by Hillary and is being kept away from Issa.

Guess why 240?

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« Reply #443 on: October 18, 2011, 09:18:47 AM »
Bottoms up? Really?

What Holder and administration apologists expect us to believe about Gunwalker

By David Codrea, Gun Rights Examiner



..If we are to believe Attorney General Eric Holder, he knew nothing about “Project Gunwalker” while it was being implemented, and did not first hear of it until a few weeks before Darrell Issa asked him about it in a May House Committee on Oversight and Government reform hearing.

If we are to believe him, any briefings he received did not discuss gunwalking. Plus he never read reports from senior staff.

If we are to believe administration apologists, not only is this so, but gunwalking was confined to the Phoenix office and the operations were conducted from the bottom, while senior ATF and DOJ managers were blissfully kept in the dark.

And Issa is on “a witch hunt.”  So there.

The purpose of this column is not to debate those points—anyone paying attention knows about the involvement of other departments and agencies and documented reports of gunwalking occurring in other locales.


No, I’d like to address this new “bottom up” meme, slickly articulated by cover-up front man Elijah Cummings yesterday on “Face the Nation”:

And so in other words, it-- it was hatched in the Phoenix office of the ATF. And the-- the sad part about it is that the supervisors in the Phoenix office never communicated with people higher up. And all the evidence that I've seen points that this was a more of a local issue that never got to higher-ups. And certainly there was nothing, that nobody has said that the attorney general was briefed about it…

…Keep in mind we do know that it was the Phoenix office. We-- we know it was hatched there and that's all the-- all the testimony we have heard so far that's what we've heard. And I don't-- and I know that we will get to the-- the very bottom of it. But it is a-- a bottom-up and not a top-down situation. We know that for a fact.

Let us suspend our disbelief (and screaming) and pretend for a moment that Cummings is telling the truth.  I know, but try. Here’s what else he and those he shills for are asking us to believe:

No crime has been committed.  For that matter, no violations of regulations or policies have been committed, either.  Even by those in the Phoenix office.

How do I arrive at that conclusion?

What happens when a law enforcement officer is suspected of criminal involvement?  Typically we see them suspended while Internal Affairs conducts an investigation.

That has not happened.

I’ve received and posted a copy of ATF’s “Adverse Action and Discipline” policy and procedure. It covers everything from reprimands to suspensions to terminations, with a special crime provision for those employees who have been arrested or indicted.  Despite Holder’s assurance that his Office of Inspector General is on the job and uninfluenced by those they report to, at this point, it looks like no one sanctioning gunwalking has earned themselves so much as a write-up, let alone an indictment.

Besides, does anyone think the Department of Justice would dare test Elijah Cumming’s assertions and indict, say, former Phoenix SAC William Newell, instead of transferring him to the DC office?  Does anyone think if they served him up on federal charges that he would stick with the story that nobody above him was green-lighting his actions?

And if we’re to believe Holder and Cummings and the rest of the administration spinners and weavers, here’s something else we must believe:

The only agents who did wrong, warranting chief counsel’s cognizance and internal affairs investigations, and management retaliation/disciplinary actions/termination proceedings, were the whistleblowers.

They were the only bad guys in all of this.

You believe that, don’t you?

Also see:

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« Reply #444 on: October 18, 2011, 09:20:34 AM »
Gunwalker's Kevin O'Reilly--the man who knows too much?
Conservative Examiner ^ | 14 October, 2011 | Anthony Martin



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A central figure that has emerged in the Project Gunwalker scandal, known as Operation Fast and Furious, is an Obama-Hillary Clinton operative by the name of Kevin O'Reilly, who as it was announced yesterday is the initial focus of the investigation being conducted by Congressman Darrell Issa in connection to his extensive communication with William Newell, head of the Phoenix ATF. O'Reilly worked in the White House as a member of Obama's National Security Council during the Gunwalker fiasco and currently works as a top aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. He is now on assignment to Iraq. Is O'Reilly the 'man who knows too much?'

During the 1950s one of Alfred Hitchcock's successful thrillers cast James Stewart in the leading role of a movie entitled, 'The Man Who Knew Too Much.' Stewart played a character who by chance was provided damaging, secret information involving international politics, which placed his life in mortal danger.

Some political observers believe that O'Reilly is a real-life, modern day counterpart to Stewart's fictional character.

Sources close to the ongoing investigation into Operation Fast and Furious indicate that O'Reilly has crucial information concerning how much the White House--and Hillary Clinton--knew about the illegal operation. But when inquiries were made as to O'Reilly's availability to provide testimony in the event of a subpoena, it was disclosed that he is on assignment in Iraq for the State Department.


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« Reply #445 on: October 18, 2011, 10:40:07 AM »
Newell was in direct communication with the WH over this.  The guy was shipped off to Iraq by Hillary and is being kept away from Issa.

Guess why 240?

cause they're probably over there giving him hookers and riches so he'll come back, take a slap on the wrist, and clear Obama/Holder.

Sucks to see it so far ahead and call it...

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« Reply #446 on: October 18, 2011, 10:43:13 AM »
Hillary Clinton to Face Heat Over Fast & Furious Gun Scandal?
Opposing Views ^ | Oct 17, 2011 | John Velleco



Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:13:25




The testimony before the Oversight committee by Holder and numerous officials from the Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and other federal agencies was a clinic on obfuscation -- and it left Issa with little choice.

“It’s time we know the whole truth,” Issa said of this latest development in the widening scandal. “The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago.”

The California Republican is not a lawyer by profession, but Issa, along with his relatively small staff, has managed to go toe-to-toe with the army of lawyers spread across the federal government.

Holder: Point man on guns

Issa’s focus on the Attorney General is well-placed. Holder became the point man on gun control during his stint with the Clinton administration and was an obvious choice to help navigate the Obama administration through the turbulent waters of gun control.

But he was not alone. Another figure, whose name is conspicuously absent in much of the current debate over Fast and Furious, is also a leader on the gun control issue: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

From the start, Obama, Clinton, Holder and another cabinet member, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, were itching to make headway on restricting guns, but how could that be done without exacting an unacceptable political price?

For that, the foursome looked south. With violence increasing along the U.S.-Mexico border in 2009, the Obama administration found the perfect scapegoat.

Holder was the first to test the waters. In a February 25, 2009 press conference, Holder spoke for the new administration:

There are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons. I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico at a minimum.

Holder was quickly repudiated by Democrats in Congress, more than 60 of whom said in a letter that a renewal of the gun ban was a non-starter, and Holder was forced to back away from his comments.

The 90% Myth

A month later, as she embarked on her first trip to Mexico as Secretary of State, Clinton told CBS news that, “The guns that are used by the drug cartels against the police and the military, 90 percent of them come from America.”

Clinton’s use of the 90% number sent honest reporters looking for verification. Instead, the number was debunked within days. Still, the administration clung tenaciously to the 90% claim.

The following month, in April 2009, speaking at a joint press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Obama said:

This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.

Incriminating March 2009 press briefing

Interestingly, the day before Clinton went to Mexico in March, no mention was made of any gun ban or the alleged 90% number at a press briefing on the problem of violence in Mexico held at the White House by Napolitano, Deputy Attorney General David Ogden and Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg (both the number two men in their respective departments).

Ogden spoke in broad terms, noting that, “Attorney General Holder and I are committed to taking advantage of all Department resources and those of associated agencies to target the Mexican cartels.”

Ogden also detailed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF) efforts “to fortify its Project Gunnrunner, which is aimed at disrupting arms trafficking between the United States and Mexico.”

From Gunrunner to Fast and Furious

Project Gunrunner was the umbrella under which Operation Fast and Furious, an ATF brainchild in which thousands of firearms were allowed to walk into the hands of Mexico’s most dangerous drug cartels, was developed.

On its face, the intent of Fast and Furious was to allow straw purchasers to illegally buy guns in the U.S. and transfer the weapons to cartel members, with authorities following the guns up the criminal supply chain to bring down the cartels.

But that never happened. Over the protests of U.S. gun dealers and rank-and-file ATF agents, thousands of guns were allowed to be purchased and to simply “walk” across the border. ATF never knew exactly where the guns would end up, and in reality the agency became a supplier of firearms to violent drug cartels.

Subsequently, Fast and Furious firearms were found at the murder scenes of two U.S. government agents as well as over 150 Mexican law enforcement officers. American and Mexican police were killed by guns furnished by the U.S. government and paid for by taxpayers.

While Fast and Furious was not specifically mentioned at the press briefing (it would begin operating later in the year), that meeting at the White house shows that the heads of at least three departments of the federal government were intensely aware of what was happening along the border at the very beginning of the Obama administration.

One by one, however, Obama, Holder, Napolitano and Clinton (plus a host of lower level officials) have denied any knowledge of Fast and Furious prior to 2011.

Rep. Issa is hot on the trail of Holder, thanks to a string of incriminating emails and other evidence. But all four were huddled around the border in early 2009, and all four made trips to Mexico in March-April of that year.

Subpoenas for Clinton, Napolitano?

Dissecting what people in the highest levels of government knew and when they knew it leads only to troubling conclusions. Either they all have lied, under oath or in public comments, about their knowledge of Fast and Furious.

Or there exists an unbelievable level of incompetence at the State Department (for not being aware of thousands of guns being sent to violent gangs in another country), at Homeland Security (which claims no knowledge of guns being allowed to walk across a border which falls under its jurisdiction to control) and at the Justice Department (with high-level officials claiming no knowledge of a multi-million dollar operation occurring right under its nose).

Rep. Issa’s 22-point subpoena of documents related to Holder will pull on strings that could unravel a much wider network of corruption. The available evidence strongly suggests that Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of Fast and Furious. If that’s the case, while it may not be proof positive that the heads of other departments lied as well, it will at least lead Issa’s investigation to take a much closer look at the roles of Clinton and Napolitano.

And even if Holder and the rest lose their jobs, it shouldn’t end there. Guns were illegally run into Mexico, where they could be “found” by Mexican police and traced back to the U.S. Was this done, as some former ATF agents suggest, to pad statistics in order to justify the 90% number and to serve as a rallying cry for a reinstatement of the semi-auto ban? If so, that is criminal behavior, made infinitely worse by the fact that many innocent people have died as a result.








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[CBS] DOJ: No 3rd gun in "Fast and Furious" murder
CBS News ^ | 18 October, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

DOJ: No 3rd gun in "Fast and Furious" murder
By Sharyl Attkisson


The Justice Department released a new statement Monday night regarding evidence in the murder of a Border Patrol Agent connected to the Fast and Furious scandal. The statement said "reports of a third gun recovered from the perpetrators at the scene ... are false."

Two assault rifles from ATF's Fast and Furious case were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December. Reports of a possible missing weapon surfaced after a ballistics report found neither rifle conclusively matched to the bullet that killed Terry; an indictment said at least one suspect had escaped; and the lead ATF Fast and Furious case agent was secretly recorded discussing a "third weapon."


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Also, on Face the Nation Sunday, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) told Bob Schieffer that "agents who were at Brian Terry's funeral made statements to his mother indicating that there were three weapons" and raised questions about an FBI ballistics report. "Was there a third weapon at the scene? Were there additional people who escaped with weapons?" Issa said.

In response, the Justice Department statement says: "Prior to his appearance on CBS this past Sunday, Chairman Issa's staff was informed that there were two - not three - guns recovered from the perpetrators at the scene of Agent Terry's murder." The statement said because the prosecution for the murder of Terry is ongoing, "further public comment is inappropriate."


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As ‘Fast and Furious’ Investigation Consumes Obama White House, MSM Blames Bush (Spot On!)
Big Jourelism ^ | October 17, 2011 | Ben Howe




In my experience, there are two ways that the mainstream media blames Bush for problems that exist three years after he left the Oval Office:


1. They blame Bush when something is bad that they think should not be considered Obama’s fault.


2. They blame Bush when there is no denying that Obama is at fault, so they try to soften it with a dose of moral relativism (Bush did it too!).

[snip] Last week, after Congressman Darrel Issa (subpoenaed Attorney General Eric Holder,) the media was very quiet on the matter. Some outlets at least went to the trouble of reporting that it occurred, but few actually offered any analysis on its importance or potential political ramifications. This is startling, considering the wall-to-wall coverage granted to “lawyer-gate” when Alberto Gonzales was Attorney General under Bush. That scandal eventually forced Gonzales to resign, and the analysis offered during the drama was seemingly without end.

[snip] The Obama administration, counting on the media to play their role in forwarding the correct narrative, released the documents showing these facts in an attempt to deflect blame for the current debacle by making it appear to be a continuation of Bush policy.

Instead, they have shown that the Obama administration, the DOJ and the ATF decided to use a tactic that, under the Bush administration, had already shown to be ineffective and dangerous. The fact that they pursued the policy in spite of this previous failed attempt, which the ATF acknowledges resulted in hundreds of weapons disappearing into Mexico, is a testament to their incompetence, not a deflection of blame.


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Issa to press FBI for "gunwalking" info(gunwalker)
cbsnews.com ^ | 17 October, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson

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WASHINGTON - The head of the House Oversight Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, said he plans to send a letter to the FBI this week to ask about apparent discrepancies in the investigation of a murder related to "Fast and Furious," the government's controversial "gunwalking" case, CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports.

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down near the U.S.-Mexico border last December, and at least two assault rifles from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Fast and Furious case were found at the scene.

That focused blame on the controversial ATF operation that monitored suspects who trafficked the weapons instead of arresting them and seizing the guns.

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But 10 months after the murder, there are questions about how many weapons the FBI recovered at the scene and other key details.

On CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Issa, R-Calif., told moderator Bob Schieffer there's reason to ask whether there's a third, missing weapon.

(Watch at left)

"When agents who were at Brian Terry's funeral made statements to his mother indicating that there were three weapons ... then you look and say, well was there a third weapon at the scene?" Issa asked. "Were there additional people who escaped with weapons?"

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Also, a ballistics report turned over to Congress mentions just two rifles, saying it "could not be determined" if one of them fired the bullet that killed Terry.

There's also talk of a third weapon, called an "SKS" rifle, in secret recordings obtained by CBS News. In the following partial transcript of a March 2011 conversation, the lead ATF case agent on Fast and Furious is speaking to a gun dealer who cooperated in selling weapons to suspects.

Gun dealer: "There's three weapons." ATF agent: "There's three weapons." Dealer: "I know that." Agent: "And yes, there's serial numbers for all three." Dealer: "That is correct." Agent: "Two of them came from the store." Dealer: "I understand that." Agent: "There's an SKS that I don't think came from ... Dallas or Texas or something like that."

The FBI wouldn't comment but has implied in the past that there was no third gun. Issa said he's seeking clarity and that, until key questions are answered, it fuels speculation.

The FBI has kept nearly everything about Terry's murder secret, saying that releasing anything would jeopardize their investigation, now beginning its eleventh month.