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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2011, 12:21:32 AM »
LOL @ this Bob Chick character


I hope he gets arrested while guest posing in North Korea and gets treated the same way American police treat their people.


Maybe then he will learn!

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2011, 04:58:04 AM »
Funny....you never "schooled" anyone on anything....I went through the police academy, we spent a whole bunch of time on it...

That said, had he simply listened and followed command instead of being defiant...the rest never happens. 

it doesn't matter that he was the ground using zero force...he was given a command and decided to act like a retard...the police followed the textbook on giving voice command, repeating it over and over again...even after getting taser, he STILL wouldn't follow command...tells me he ain't all there, or is high, etc...even more reason to take no chances with handling him.


We had this discussion a few years ago on here.   You were so off base then as you are now.  I also went and completed the academy... and then went to law school.  You haven't the slightest idea of the way a lawyer would rip your pathetic ass apart on the stand after this if that were you in the video.  That is absolutely NOT correct police protocol.  You're just arguing the opposite to be an asshole.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2011, 06:23:47 AM »
We had this discussion a few years ago on here.   You were so off base then as you are now.  I also went and completed the academy... and then went to law school.  You haven't the slightest idea of the way a lawyer would rip your pathetic ass apart on the stand after this if that were you in the video.  That is absolutely NOT correct police protocol.  You're just arguing the opposite to be an asshole.

Looks you are the one assuming, Perry Mason....have you seen the entire video footage?

please....fill us all in on what led to this action taken

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2011, 06:35:13 AM »
Unfortunately cant tell the good from the bad so i hate them all. Obviously they arent all bad. Byt fuck em.

I don't know about American police... they might all be bad...

But here in democratic Finland we have really nice cops. They're widely respected for their important work. They don't use unnecessary force and are people with honor.
They talk to you nicely and always seek the most peaceful solution out of the situation.

I have nothing but respect for those guys and their work.


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2011, 06:37:44 AM »
Looks you are the one assuming, Perry Mason....have you seen the entire video footage?

please....fill us all in on what led to this action taken

Barney Fife:  Police are never allowed to kick someone like that when they are posing no threat at all.  It's obvious the guy was on the ground not fighting back.  There were 3 officers there as I recall.  That should've been plenty of police muscle to apprehend the suspect without the use of hard techiques (kicks, punches etc.).

Explain why, in your opinion, it was ok for the cops to kick a downed suspect posing no threat?  I'm asking this seriously.  And don't give me your bullshit about how the suspect "invited" them to.  You must admit that was a stupid comment on your behalf.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2011, 06:45:54 AM »
Barney Fife:  Police are never allowed to kick someone like that when they are posing no threat at all.  It's obvious the guy was on the ground not fighting back.  There were 3 officers there as I recall.  That should've been plenty of police muscle to apprehend the suspect without the use of hard techiques (kicks, punches etc.).

Explain why, in your opinion, it was ok for the cops to kick a downed suspect posing no threat?  I'm asking this seriously.  And don't give me your bullshit about how the suspect "invited" them to.  You must admit that was a stupid comment on your behalf.

It's obvious while you claim to have  gone to law school, you never finished..I'll ask you once again...

What happened before the incident was caught on tape? Why was the man asked to go to th ground?

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2011, 06:53:47 AM »
It's obvious while you claim to have  gone to law school, you never finished..I'll ask you once again...

What happened before the incident was caught on tape? Why was the man asked to go to th ground?

Just like you Chick, I didn't see the whole tape.  Just the segment posted.  And remember, levels of force rise and fall throughout an arrest, so whatever happened an hour prior doesn't really matter too much.  If the suspect was calmed down, kicking doesn't/shouldn't happen.

And please, your little "jab" re law school is futile.  I've graduated and am practicing.  I have been for 4 plus years.  I've seen both sides of the equation..  the cop side and the suspect/victim side.  

Now, that being said, go back and answer my question.  

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2011, 06:55:12 AM »
That video is the reason people HATE the police.....
A lot of them are on big behind the badge take the badge and gun and the rest of the gang away and they are less than nothing... quiet
The police in that video are out of order... why beat someone on the floor who offers no threat whatsoever, they coud have easily held him down and flipped him over on his stomache.....

its vids like this that make me feel no sympathy when you see on the news cop shot etc...
very suprised bob chick would condone this....

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2011, 06:56:49 AM »
Chick condones this type of behavior because he claims to be an ex-cop.  He really should be more intelligent than to state this guy in the video "invited" the cops to kick the shit out of him.

The guy on the ground was totally docile and not fighting back..  yet the cops continue to kick and punch him. 

The CORRECT procedure would have been to all lay on him and cuff him.  NOT stand there and kick. 

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #84 on: July 08, 2011, 07:04:48 AM »
i watched COPS (tv show) the other day, the officer couldnt find the man on the run, so he used his police dog to find him (he was hiding in the trees), it attacked him (bit him) and the officer allowed the dog to bite him multiple times while he was right next to the dog and the man was on the ground... It was ridiculous

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #85 on: July 08, 2011, 07:05:15 AM »
Chick condones this type of behavior because he claims to be an ex-cop.  He really should be more intelligent than to state this guy in the video "invited" the cops to kick the shit out of him.



that's dissapointing...the guy was on his back outnumbered...there was no need to further kick him and tase him if they wanted to they coud have put him in whatever position theywanted.. just as we have seen them do many time when tackling a criminal trying to escape, thing is this guy wasnt going anywhere
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #86 on: July 08, 2011, 07:08:06 AM »
The problem usually lies with the Judges.  The city judge I deal with is SO pro-cop and pro=prosecutor that the cops get away with so much, from this type of behavior to violations of search/seizure.  Numerous defense attorneys have raised these issues in the court, but the judge just doesn't side with the defense.  And generally these petty criminals don't have to funds to sue a city over the brutality of the police force.  


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2011, 07:12:59 AM »
Just like you Chick, I didn't see the whole tape.  Just the segment posted.  And remember, levels of force rise and fall throughout an arrest, so whatever happened an hour prior doesn't really matter too much.  If the suspect was calmed down, kicking doesn't/shouldn't happen.

And please, your little "jab" re law school is futile.  I've graduated and am practicing.  I have been for 4 plus years.  I've seen both sides of the equation..  the cop side and the suspect/victim side.  

Now, that being said, go back and answer my question.  

Exactly...you didn't see the whole tape..which only makes it even more obvious, you're a lawyer in fantasyland...no lawyer worth anything would make a judgement based on a few minutes of tape, which could leave out many facts...

I'm not here debating whether or not the action was warranted....I'm bringing to light the fact hat if he simply followed command, then the rest never takes place....so yes, he " invited it" by acting like a fool, instead of simply turning over...

like the idiot we always hear about every few years that climbs over the guard rail at the zoo, and then has a lion trying to pull him rough the bars....he INVITED the action by being stupid....


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2011, 07:14:34 AM »
Oh, look at how brave American cops are




It really takes a man to punch 15 yo girl in face, doesn't it Bob Chick  ::)


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2011, 07:16:08 AM »
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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #90 on: July 08, 2011, 07:16:34 AM »
Because police act as if they are in a constant warzone.  Not all members of the citizenry are packing heat waiting to shoot at an officer.  99% of the people police officers encounters are non-criminals.  In more and more precincts, police are being armed with military-style weaponry and equipment.  To many people, they appear to be a legitimized taxpayer paid gang rather than public servants.

Quick personal story:  I had applied to a local police agency where I was told during the official interview that they had more interest in a guy who had gotten an honorable discharge from the Army and had been serving in Iraq and Afghanistan the past 4 to 5 years.  I was floored.  I presumed(wrongly) that having a Bachelors in Criminal Justice, honorable discharge from the Navy, some LE work in the Coast Guard, and a former Corrections and Probation Officer would get me in a heartbeat.  I easily passed all the physical and written tests.  Instead, the agency wanted an Infantryman to pound the streets of a mostly upper middle class suburban neighborhood.  I appreciate what servicemen do for their country, but in my opinion, combat professionals have NO business in police work.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2011, 07:18:33 AM »
Exactly...you didn't see the whole tape
Neither did you

..which only makes it even more obvious, you're a lawyer in fantasyland...no lawyer worth anything would make a judgement based on a few minutes of tape, which could leave out many facts...

Not true. Depends on the situation, depends on the lawyer, etc.


I'm not here debating whether or not the action was warranted....I'm bringing to light the fact hat if he simply followed command, then the rest never takes place....so yes, he " invited it" by acting like a fool, instead of simply turning over...

You don't know that. Depends on the cop, situation, etc.


I think most cops/ex cops tend to justify whatever action another cop does, regardless of the action.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #92 on: July 08, 2011, 07:19:33 AM »
I fucking hate cops...and i have a squeeky clean record. Fuck the police....
it's in black people genetics to hate cops  8)

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #93 on: July 08, 2011, 07:20:22 AM »
Barney Fife:  Police are never allowed to kick someone like that when they are posing no threat at all.  It's obvious the guy was on the ground not fighting back.  There were 3 officers there as I recall.  That should've been plenty of police muscle to apprehend the suspect without the use of hard techiques (kicks, punches etc.).

Explain why, in your opinion, it was ok for the cops to kick a downed suspect posing no threat?  I'm asking this seriously.  And don't give me your bullshit about how the suspect "invited" them to.  You must admit that was a stupid comment on your behalf.


to answer you SPECIFICALLY...

was it Ok?  I don't know the circumstances....nor do you as you admitted...did he have a weapon?  was he hostile before the tape rolled? Did he claim to have a knife, etc...leading the officers to resort to use of the taser? was he a biter...did he claim to have AIDS, and threatened to bite if they touched him?

Any of these questions would have to be answered before any of us could make a reasonable determination as to whether or not the deputies acted accordingly...what we DO know, is that NUMEROUS commands were given, and ignored...even after being tased.

The fact that  you, a supposed lawyer, would not automatically ask these questions before mAking a statement based entirely on speculation and assumption...speaks volumes.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2011, 07:28:00 AM »
2010

The following are ten facts about crime in the
United States that will blow your mind…. #1) The city of Detroit, Michigan literally looks like a war zone and violent crime is thriving. So far this year in Detroit, car thefts are up 83%, robberies are up 50%, burglaries are up 20% and property
destruction is up 42%. #2) Lawmakers in Illinois say that violence has
become so rampant in Chicago that the National
Guard needs to be sent in. In just one night last
week seven people were killed and 18 were wounded - mostly by gunfire. In fact, there have already been 113 murders in Chicago this year. #3) The city of Phoenix, Arizona has become the car theft capital of the world as millions of illegal aliens who can’t get work have found that stealing
cars can be very profitable indeed. #4) There are approximately 12 million crimes committed in the United States every single year.
That is by far the worst in the world. No other
nation has more than about 6 million reported
crimes per year. #5) In New York City, the number of homicides in
the first quarter of the year had shot up by approximately 22 percent compared with 2009. #6) U.S. prisons are already bursting at the seams.
As you read this, there are over 2.2 million people in prison in the United States. In fact, America leads the world in the number of prisoners and in the
percentage of the population in prison. The United
States has 5% of the world’s population, but 25%
of the world’s incarcerated population. #7) U.S. law enforcement authorities claim that
there are now over 1 million members of criminal
gangs inside the country. These 1 million gang
members are responsible for up to 80% of the crimes committed in the United States each year. #8) There are over 100,000 rapes in the United States every single year. That is the highest number
for any of the countries in the United Nations. #9) According to USA Today , 58% of state and local law enforcement agencies in the United States
reported that violent criminal gangs were active in
their areas in 2008. That was up from 45% in 2004. #10) Every year, one out of every five people is a victim of a crime in the United States. No other
nation on earth has a rate that is higher.


These cops are making a difference. police brutality works

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2011, 07:29:57 AM »
Those questions would obviously come out on direct exam, if not on cross.  Obviously your LACK of having the same degree as a lawyer does is shining through or you'd know that.  I have both the certificate of academy, as well as a law degree.  I'm doubting you have neither.

You post about circumstances leading up to the arrest etc.  Isn't it taught that if a suspect's force level comes down, the police officer's should as well??  This should ring a bell to you Chick, if indeed you graduated.  

If you were still a police officer on duty, and you made those statements about "inviting" a beat down, you'd be on paid leave idiot.  You really, REALLY need to think before you speak/write.

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2011, 07:32:52 AM »
Chick is a prime example of what is wrong with a vast majority of police these days.  Over-zealous, ultra-aggressive punks who, given a badge, think they can do as they please.  

People, as well as suspects, have rights in this Country.

I guess that's what happens when you barely need an education to be an officer these days.   ;D

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2011, 07:35:40 AM »
nothing is worse than those power hungry female cops.  that's all i would like to add

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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #98 on: July 08, 2011, 07:36:15 AM »
nothing is worse than those power hungry female cops.  that's all i would like to add


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Re: This is police brutality, and probably not deserved
« Reply #99 on: July 08, 2011, 07:39:59 AM »
Oh, look at how brave American cops are




It really takes a man to punch 15 yo girl in face, doesn't it Bob Chick  ::)




Lets not take this out of context.  That's a 19 year old girl that he punched as she was clearly interfering with the officer making an arrest.  The punch was clear justified as she had grabbed him. 
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