Cantor: Obama Stormed Out Of Debt Meeting After Becoming “Agitated”

[Straw Man]

[240 is Back]

Oh - notice when the deficit exploded under Bush = when pelosi and reid took over. 


Another Straw Man FAIL. 

how many spending bills did Bush veto in his 8 years in office?

Zero.  That's how many.

He let pelosi and reid spend whatever they wanted.  Can't blame dems for that alone - bush was cool with it too homie.

[Kazan]

how many spending bills did Bush veto in his 8 years in office?

Zero.  That's how many.

He let pelosi and reid spend whatever they wanted.  Can't blame dems for that alone - bush was cool with it too homie.

Your actually showing signs of intelligence with this post, there may yet be hope for you. Dems, Reps they don't have a problem spending money, where they disagree is what to spend it on.

[240 is Back]

Your actually showing signs of intelligence with this post, there may yet be hope for you. Dems, Reps they don't have a problem spending money, where they disagree is what to spend it on.

i agree with you.  they all kick the can down the road and serve the interests that put them and keep them in office.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama is mentally deranged.  This is really a sick person we are dealing with. 

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Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal
By Alicia M. Cohn - 07/15/11 11:54 AM ET
 



President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.


"The American people are sold," he said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."

Obama said 80 percent of Americans are on his side in the debate over what to include in the debt package. Voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done," the president said. "It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression."

"I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests ... I hope they're listening to the American people as well," Obama said, citing "poll after poll" showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking "a balanced approach" — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit.

Obama said he is still pushing for a big deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.

"I always have hope," Obama said. "Don't you remember my campaign?"

The president said he is still waiting on his "Republican friends" to come up with a plan he can support.

"If they show me a serious plan, I'm ready to move," President Obama said.

The president dismissed the "Cut, Cap and Balance" bill to raise the debt ceiling that House Republicans plan to bring up for a vote next week. It would link a debt-limit increase to passage of a balanced-budget amendment.

"You'll probably see the House vote on a couple of things just to make political statements," Obama said.

"We don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs," Obama said, rejecting the conservative calls for a balanced-budget amendment. "The constitution already tells us to do our jobs."

Obama didn't rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt-ceiling to avoid a national default.

"It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert Armageddon," he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.

"I have not seen a credible plan ... that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion without really hurting ordinary folks," he said.

[Kazan]

No one I know is SOLD on this bill of goods. Seems just making up arbitrary numbers to throw around has become an Obama specialty.

[Soul Crusher]

Obama lied again.  

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55% Oppose Tax Hike In Debt Ceiling Deal

Thursday, July 14, 2011

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/july_2011/55_oppose_tax_hike_in_debt_ceiling_deal


Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.

Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

There is a huge partisan divide on the question. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike in the deal while 82% of Republicans do not. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed.

Americans who earn more than $75,000 a year are evenly divided as to whether a tax hike should be included in the debt ceiling deal. Those who earn less are opposed to including tax hikes.

Voters remain very concerned about the debt ceiling issue. Sixty-nine percent (69%) believe that it would be bad for the economy if a failure to raise the debt ceiling led to government defaults. Only 6% believe it would be good for theeconomy. Fourteen percent (14%) believe it would have no impact and 11% are notsure. These figures are little changed from a few weeks ago.

At the same time, however, 52% believe it would beeven more dangerous to raise the debt ceiling without making significant cuts in government spending. Thirty-seven percent (37%) take the opposite view and believe a government default would be more dangerous.  

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The national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on July 12-13, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points witha 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.See methodology.

Eighty-five percent (85%) of voters are following the debt ceiling story at least Somewhat Closely. That figure includes 48% who are following it Very Closely. Older voters are following the story more closely than younger voters.

Thirty-eightpercent (38%) believe the president has done a good or an excellent job handling the debt ceiling debate while 41% say he has done a poor job.  Predictably, 74% of Democrats give him good or excellent marks while 71% of Republicans say he’s doing a poor job. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 31% give the president good or excellent marks on this topic while 42% say he’s doing a poor job.

Overall, the president’s Job Approval ratings have been remarkably stable for the past year-and-a-half. With only modest exceptions, his totalapproval numbers have stayed in the mid-to-high 40s since the end of 2009.

By a 59% to19% margin, Political Class voters favor a tax hike in the debt ceiling deal.  By a 68% to 22% margin, Mainstream voters take the opposite view (for more on the Political Class-Mainstream classification, click here.

Data released earlier shows that most Americans believe tax hikes are bad for the economy and spending cuts are good.

Consumer confidence has fallen to the lowest level in twoyears and most Americans now believe their own personal finances are getting worse.

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[Straw Man]

how many spending bills did Bush veto in his 8 years in office?

Zero.  That's how many.

He let pelosi and reid spend whatever they wanted.  Can't blame dems for that alone - bush was cool with it too homie.

and everything Bush and the Repubs wanted too

[Soul Crusher]

Jackson Lee: Congress complicating debt ceiling because Obama is black
By Josiah Ryan - 07/15/11 03:02 PM ET
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Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) on Friday strongly suggested that members of Congress are making it difficult for President Obama to raise the debt ceiling because of his race.

"I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness [toward] this president,” said Jackson Lee, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. “Why is he different? And in my community, that is the question that we raise. In the minority community that is question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully? Why has the debt limit been raised 60 times? Why did the leader of the Senate continually talk about his job is to bring the president down to make sure he is unelected?”


Earlier in her speech, Jackson Lee said Obama has been targeted unlike any other president.

"I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president — only this one, only this one — has received the kind of attacks and disagreement and inability to work, only this one," said Jackson Lee from the House floor.

"Read between the lines," she continued. "What is different about this president that should put him in a position that he should not receive the same kind of respectful treatment of when it is necessary to raise the debt limit in order to pay our bills, something required by both statute and the 14th amendment?"

Jackson Lee concluded by saying that she hoped someone would step up and say that what appears obvious to her is not in fact true.

"I hope someone will say that what it appears to be is not in fact accurate," said Lee. "But historically it seems to be nothing more."


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[Kazan]

Well that didn't take long

[Skip8282]

Well that didn't take long

no, it didn't.  And that, along with the "Blame Bush" mantra, I predict will come up again in 2012.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00054




Ha ha a ha.    Fail.   

[Dos Equis]

Thought this was kinda funny.   

Body Language Betrays Obama
Saturday, 16 Jul 2011
By Caroline Rawls

With only a few weeks remaining until the Aug. 2 debt-ceiling deadline, the public is looking to President Barack Obama to provide much-needed leadership in the ongoing congressional battle over deficits and spending.

But body language expert Lillian Glass, author of the best-selling book Barack Obama, Body Language, Debt Ceiling, Lillian Glass“Toxic People” and regular commentator on the “Nancy Grace Show” and MSNBC, warns that the president is not portraying himself as the strong leader America needs.

“This is not the President Obama we initially elected,” Glass told Newsmax in an exclusive interview.

After watching Obama address the debt ceiling issue during his “Twitter” Town Hall and other TV appearances, Glass noted his obvious weary appearance and gray hair, but then examined some specific body language signals and what they mean.

“The obvious tightness around his jaw denotes a feeling of anger,” Glass explained. “The way President Obama’s shoulders were rounded and focused inward shows that he feels defeated and insecure.”

His delivery also failed to meet the presidential standard, she said. ”There were endless stammers and stutters around certain important words when he’s talking about [the debt ceiling] showing he doesn’t really believe what he’s saying. For example, the president noticeably stammered as he admitted, ‘and we need to look at entitlements.’”

Glass particularly noted the president’s tendency to look down frequently throughout his response to the debt ceiling Twitter questioning. “This conveys a sense of deception. And you still notice it today.”

At one point, the president even projected his own uncertainties about how to deal with the debt crisis onto a Twitter user who contributed a debt-ceiling question, observed Glass, who said that is especially noteworthy.

Pointing to the Twitter user’s profile picture, Obama said jokingly, “This picture captures it all . . . He’s looking kind of confused.”

Such pointing and gesturing telegraph the president’s way of “deflecting focus off of himself and his own confusion,” Glass confided to Newsmax.

Despite these various indicators that the president is exhausted by the partisan back-and-forth, Glass said his anger shines through most clearly. Unlike most presidents who typically point with their fingers, Obama employed “an angry fist-like gesture” and pumped his arms widely, Glass said.

Obama knows the debt talks could jeopardize his chances for re-election, and as his frustration mounts, so does his composure weaken. The Obama we saw two years ago and the one we are seeing today are “distinct like night and day,” Glass said.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BarackObama-BodyLanguage-DebtCeiling-LillianGlass/2011/07/16/id/403824

[Fury]

It really says a lot about Obama and the Dems that, even with McConnell sabotaging everything the GOP does, they're still coming out looking like the morons in these talks.

Then again, can't expect anything less from a party that won't pass a budget for 800+ days now.

[whork25]

Did Clinton decrease the debt???

[Kazan]

The Clinton administration got grid locked by republicans. This is a prime example of why single party rule is a fiasco, when neither side can pass much of anything, its good for America.

[whork25]

The Clinton administration got grid locked by republicans. This is a prime example of why single party rule is a fiasco, when neither side can pass much of anything, its good for America.

Hmm maybe we should try that again then

[Soul Crusher]

Breaking: White House threatens veto of GOP Cut, Cap, and Balance bill
Hotair ^ | 07/18/2011 | Ed Morrisey



With the House poised to vote on a debt-ceiling increase tomorrow, the White House has released a threat to veto the bill if it reaches the President’s desk. This statement was just released by e-mail, emphasis in the original:

The Administration strongly opposes H.R. 2560, the “Cut, Cap and Balance Act of 2011.” Neither setting arbitrary spending levels nor amending the Constitution is necessary to restore fiscal responsibility. Increasing the Federal debt limit, which is needed to avoid a Federal government default on its obligations and a severe blow to the economy, should not be conditioned on taking these actions. Instead of pursuing an empty political statement and unrealistic policy goals, it is necessary to move beyond politics as usual and find bipartisan common ground.

The bill would undercut the Federal Government’s ability to meet its core commitments to seniors, middle-class families and the most vulnerable, while reducing our ability to invest in our future. H. R. 2560 would set unrealistic spending caps that could result in significant cuts to education, research and development, and other programs critical to growing our economy and winning the future. It could also lead to severe cuts in Medicare and Social Security, which are growing to accommodate the retirement of the baby boomers, and put at risk the retirement security for tens of millions of Americans.

Furthermore, H. R. 2560 could require even deeper cuts, since it conditions an increase in the Federal debt limit on Congressional passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. H. R. 2560 sets out a false and unacceptable choice between the Federal Government defaulting on its obligations now or, alternatively, passing a Balanced Budget Amendment that, in the years ahead, will likely leave the Nation unable to meet its core commitment of ensuring dignity in retirement.

The President has proposed a comprehensive and balanced framework that ensures we live within our means and reduces the deficit by $4 trillion, while supporting economic growth and long-term job creation, protecting critical investments, and meeting the commitments made to provide economic security to Americans no matter their circumstances. H.R. 2560 is inconsistent with this responsible framework to restore fiscal responsibility and is not an appropriate method of reducing the Nation’s deficits and debt. The Administration is committed to working with the Congress on a bipartisan basis to achieve real solutions.

If the President were presented this bill for signature, he would veto it.

A few points seem remarkable here. Is it really Barack Obama’s contention that a balanced budget, now or in the future, threatens the dignity of retirees? What basis does he have for claiming that deficits are a necessary component of retiree dignity? That sounds very much like a demand for eternal deficit spending, with no attempt at any discipline whatsoever.

As far as Obama’s “comprehensive and balanced framework,” CNS News reminds us that the only specific plan Obama has published actually increases deficit spending rather than decrease it:

While the Republican-controlled House of Representatives has voted this year to approve House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s (R.-Wis.) proposal–that would put the government on a gradual path to a surplus by 2040–and plans to vote on a balanced budget amendment next week that would cap federal spending at 18 percent of GDP, the only budget proposal President Obama’s has publicly revealed in 2011 would, according to the Congressional Budget Office, increase the deficit by $26 billion this year, $83 billion next year, and $2.7 trillion over the next decade.

Additionally, although annual budget deficits would decline somewhat between 2013 and 2015 under Obama’s proposal, according to the CBO, after that they would start increasing again, going up every year from 2016 to 2021, the last year estimated by the CBO.

In short, the only budget proposal Obama has put forward this year for the public to review and analyze puts the federal government on a path to eventual bankruptcy.

The CBO report from April can be found here. This chart shows that Obama’s projected budget produces bigger deficits by percentage of GDP than anything seen since 1981 — with the exceptions of the Democratic budgets to 2008-11. They’re worse than the baseline we’re on at the moment, and not coincidentally, they make the debt load appreciably worse as a result:



If the CCB bill gets through the House and the Senate, would Obama really veto it? He’d have to defy a Senate controlled by his own party to cancel a debt-limit increase in a situation that his own administration has relentlessly hyped as a fiscal Armageddon. I’d call that a real long shot.

Call his bluff, GOP.