mutation cycle/ "in and out" question for all.

[thebdog]

current stats: 5'6 200lbs at 8.5%bf (still holding a bit of water on some days) age 31.

history: cycling for 8-9 years. typical bulker 750-1g test, 400mg deca, 600 tren, 50mg dbol or  50mg drol to kick it off. hgh at 5 iu per day. and i ALWAYS end up at 220-225lbs at 11-12% and watery as hell. diet or training i dont believe is the problem.

plan on giving it another month or 6 weeks to get as lean as possible before i start.

what do you guys thinks of the following??? 1200-1500mg test, 800 tren, 600 deca, 50mg dbol or drol. along w 7iu hgh and 10 iu insulin post workout. this will be my first run w insulin. may use masteron or another anti e if needed.  

ive always run a simple cycle outline(everything at once till over at the same dosage). i was looking to do something different this time... like maybe blast the test and tren at first for a month or so and then switch to deca and dbol? then switch again. not saying that combo is my plan, just an example of how im thinking.

i guess im looking for a different type of "rotation" this time. any advise is welcome. thanks guys.

[Wiggs]

Before upping the dosage what does your food intake look like?

[Swlabr]

We're gonna need pictures.

[thebdog]

diet rite now is around 2400-2600 semi clean. on tren, mast, prop 500mg a piece.  usual diet(bulk) is at least 300g protein, 300+g carbs, fat under 100g(from usual bodybuilding foods). but i do eat burgers, big steaks, loaded potatoes, usually 2-3 times per week. 1000+ cals at least in cheat meals. id say 3500-4500 per day average. im going to post up some pictures in a different thread when im done losing bf and before i start the next run of gear. if measurments help..... waist 34.5(im a tad blocky in stature), quad 27, calf 17(i know), arm 19(cold)... best body part. i dont measure anything else really but its all in proportion. im ur average short 200lber. just looking grow better.

[Rearden Metal]

If you always end up bloofy, MORE long ester test is not the answer. Run short ester compounds and up the gh to 8-10. Get your water weight in check and get tight and THEN do the cycle you've outlined.

[thebdog]

If you always end up bloofy, MORE long ester test is not the answer. Run short ester compounds and up the gh to 8-10. Get your water weight in check and get tight and THEN do the cycle you've outlined.

any tips to keep the water weight in check??

[gh15]

diet rite now is around 2400-2600 semi clean. on tren, mast, prop 500mg a piece.  usual diet(bulk) is at least 300g protein, 300+g carbs, fat under 100g(from usual bodybuilding foods). but i do eat burgers, big steaks, loaded potatoes, usually 2-3 times per week. 1000+ cals at least in cheat meals. id say 3500-4500 per day average. im going to post up some pictures in a different thread when im done losing bf and before i start the next run of gear. if measurments help..... waist 34.5(im a tad blocky in stature), quad 27, calf 17(i know), arm 19(cold)... best body part. i dont measure anything else really but its all in proportion. im ur average short 200lber. just looking grow better.

so wait wait a second,, 5'6 200lb 8% bodyfat lol and you call yourself average short fella? with 19 inch arm COLD! at 5'6 lol and 27 inch quads! at 200lb in condition ! ,,

now just to tell you mesurments of super heavies! lol npc super heavies circa 2003...i say 2003 because it is the mexicana heaven when everyone was exploding with legit hormones,,

so super heavys 6'1 lol 280-290 offseaon dialing in to 240lb competition weight ....legs = 27 inches conditioned!  arms 20 inches conditioned lol waist 33-34 inches conditioned,, this is top 10 heavy weight competitor from 2003,,actualy i think he placed 5th if not mistaken ,,

if what you say about your mesurments and bodyfat and weight is correct lol we have here pro contender,, this is pro size my friend

the watery look can go down with less testosterona or like we pros and top amatuer do it with diuretic ,,prescribed ,, again you need to be sure its water,, if its water you will see yourself in the mirror and will have a smile on your face and here from your girl comments like ...you look amazing everytime you step infront of her even if she been with you 2 years,,, with out you tellin her to tell you that ! she will just say it ..she will say she is fat and she dont know what you do with her and all the hot bitch crys they do ,, then and only then you know what you have on you is water

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[thebdog]

i personally would opt for the diuretic route.  lasix tabs?? diazide?? ive never used either tho. any advise on the use of diuretics to control water while "on" fellas??? ive never competed so i had always thought they(diuretics) were used in the final days of prep. thanks for the vote of confidence gh15. although ive never given competiton a shot or a thought really. its always been a water problem w me. and thats always stopped me from really "upping the dose" so to speak. i have been able to control the water somewhat w masteron or anti e but it always has been a bitch for me. seems like i even smell testosterone of any ester and get puffy.

[Palpatine Q]

i personally would opt for the diuretic route.  lasix tabs?? diazide?? ive never used either tho. any advise on the use of diuretics to control water while "on" fellas??? ive never competed so i had always thought they(diuretics) were used in the final days of prep. thanks for the vote of confidence gh15. although ive never given competiton a shot or a thought really. its always been a water problem w me. and thats always stopped me from really "upping the dose" so to speak. i have been able to control the water somewhat w masteron or anti e but it always has been a bitch for me. seems like i even smell testosterone of any ester and get puffy.

Dude...no disrespect, but post a pic or STFU.

You are claiming some pretty lofty numbers, sorry if we don't just take your word for it

[thebdog]

Dude...no disrespect, but post a pic or STFU.

You are claiming some pretty lofty numbers, sorry if we don't just take your word for it

i will post some pics. when i get to 6% just exactly as i said. and i wouldnt call a 17 inch calf or a 34.5 inch waist "lofty" at all. now if i would have said 29 inch waist then i believe i deserve the "call out". im not out to impress anyone or brag about measurments. just listed them as an outline because i dnt feel like im in good enough shape yet for a pic to matter. but i will b. no disrespect man, im just looking for ways to improve. i do this for me and accept all comments good or not so good.  so y would i lie about anything??  8.5% with water aint shit in my book. no disrespect at all.

[Viking11]

Wait. If you are watery now, and are off, then you should look at that first.  Check intake first. You sayh you have burgers etc. If its take out, then its loaded with sodium. That of course can cause a lot of water retention. Try cutting out high sodium foods for ten to fourteen days. Then you should have dropped considerable water, clean up your diet, then proceed from there. Test in high doses will make most of us very watery. Try dryer compounds, and lower doses of androgens.

[thebdog]

Wait. If you are watery now, and are off, then you should look at that first.  Check intake first. You sayh you have burgers etc. If its take out, then its loaded with sodium. That of course can cause a lot of water retention. Try cutting out high sodium foods for ten to fourteen days. Then you should have dropped considerable water, clean up your diet, then proceed from there. Test in high doses will make most of us very watery. Try dryer compounds, and lower doses of androgens.

no im still on man. 500mg prop, 500mg mast, 500mg tren. and 5iu hgh. but i agree the sodium is bad in a wendys classic triple burger. sometimes two ill eat. but i definatly should make better choices and eat a little "cleaner" when i do cheat. im not a big eater by any means. id have a hard time eating 4500 clean calories without going nuts on the carbs that is! i just eat the cheat food for the extra calories i guess. thank you for the imput tho. i will try it.

[no one]

Dude...no disrespect, but post a pic or STFU.

You are claiming some pretty lofty numbers, sorry if we don't just take your word for it

yeah!

 

[notsureifsrs]

Switch deca to EQ add masteron or arimidex


and eat more food especially more carbs (i would bump them twice more) , quality carbs !
on these drugs your body can utilize more food and much better, hell i bet you are just flat most of the time and what you need is to fill out.

[WillGrant]

yeah!

 

x2 on Groins rather Ironic post  

[BOUNCER DAVE]

any advise on the use of diuretics to control water while "on" fellas??? ive never competed so i had always thought they(diuretics) were used in the final days of prep.

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[gh15]

first of all we use diuretic even with no connection to compeitition ,, it depends,, sometimes you want to look good in a guest pose...sometime women want to look good in wedding...well eveyrtime lol ,, it just depends on how much water someone hold and if they cant or can get rid of them natural ways,, some just cant ,, they get rid of a lot but just cant get rid of the amount the body insist on storing...its very individual but trust me if you are lean and a water fountain you know it!,, its not if or maybe im lean ,, its that you see the definition but something is nto grainy and not dry enough ...there are many ways to tackle it from anti atomataze to prescribe diuretic,, i prefer prescribed diuretic but! you need to know how to use it ,, i cant just advice you on how much exactly to use when i never seen you in my life,, even picture can nto be good you know why? because pictures are deciving!,, being on a video if yourself and dont take it in the middle of the kitchen with the best yellow posing light of your house,, take it in nutral place no shadows,,,then i can see and tell you what i think,, best thing is to just look at yourself and learn your body ,, it reallyis YOU learning YOUR body,,dont EVER overdue diuretic because that shit will flatten you like there is no tomorrow,,

with diuretic LESS = MORE AND MORE = LESS

this is the only drug that i recomend less of ,,use it but do not abuse it because 1. you will look like flat balonie,, and 2. you can really risk your kidnys..this is the main reason we fuck our kidnys because many dont know how to use it and over due them! ,,if you are not fuckin ready for diuretic and you really sit at 13 % they wont do shit! they wont do nothing for you ,, at 6% they will make a huge diff...at 12% they will flaten you and you will look like you just entered a gym 3 months ago

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[gh15]

first of you must distinwish lol i fucked that word real good lol first thing you must look into ...is how much water you hold on your body,, for that you need to really know if this is water or fat,, you take few pictures in your house put them here ,, you need to be ready for getbig panel of judges that will wipe tables with you but this is part of the price ,, this is harsh board and they tell you exactly what they think at the level presented even if you are pro they always critiqe and you need to be ok with this,, if pro can be critiqe you too can be critiqed,, so when you are ok with this and bring pictures bring back and front ....i tell you if it is water or fat...but if it is water you really know this,, the definition is there its not super ultra definition because water is on you ....for the average people it is ripped for us bodybuild we will call it LEAN,, but you will look very lean ! ,, when and after you use diuretic the words shredded and peeled come into play and yuo better see it after you are on diuretic if you dont see yoursel shredded and peeled ...grainy if you have enough muscle ...then you were just too fat,,

skin thikness is another factor but you can still look very conditioned with thick skin ...the lines will not be umm that pleasing but te diuretic will still be able ot give you grainy shredded look


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