Author Topic: Herman Cain Says U.S. Communities 'Have the Right' to Ban Mosques (Read 2178 times)

Dos Equis · « **on:** July 17, 2011, 11:31:23 AM »

He makes an interesting point. What about the fact that a mosque combines religion and sharia law? Aren't they quasi-political organizations? Never really thought about it from that angle.

Herman Cain Says U.S. Communities 'Have the Right' to Ban Mosques
Published July 17, 2011
FoxNews.com

Presidential candidate Herman Cain on Sunday defended his opposition to a new mosque in Tennessee, expressing concern about Shariah law and declaring Americans "have the right" to ban mosques in their communities.

Cain, who stirred controversy this year by saying he would be uncomfortable appointing a Muslim to his Cabinet if elected, first expressed concern Thursday about the controversial mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn. That mosque has been the subject of demonstrations and legal challenges in the wake of the controversy over the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" in New York City.

Speaking on "Fox News Sunday," Cain said he came out against the Tennessee mosque after talking to members of that community. He said the site is "hallowed ground" to Murfreesboro residents and that they're concerned about "the intentions of trying to get Shariah law" -- the code governing conduct in Islamic societies.

"It's not just a mosque for religious purposes. This is what the people are objecting to," he said.

Asked whether any community should be able to prohibit a mosque, Cain said they should.

"They have the right to do that. That's not discriminating ... against that particular religion. That is an aspect of them building that mosque that doesn't get talked about," he said.

Cain again argued that residents were objecting to "the fact that Islam is both a religion and a set of laws, Shariah law. That's the difference between any one of our other traditional religions."

But while Cain said he expects the case to come before the Supreme Court, a local judge has allowed the project to go forward.

Cain has taken heat in the past for his comments about Muslims. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, which accused him of using "bigoted" language with his Cabinet comments, said in a statement Friday that his opposition to the Tennessee mosque is an example of "Islamophobia."

Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, is struggling to break into the top tier of candidates in the 2012 Republican primary race. He expressed confidence Sunday that he could have a strong showing in an upcoming Iowa straw poll.

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Roger Bacon · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:23:53 PM »

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see how we can discriminate on a religious basis?

The sharia law argument is bogus IMO...

garebear · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:37:34 PM »

You are batshit crazy if you think people are trying to get Sharia Law passed in the US

Made up issue for the stupid vote.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:40:58 PM »

Quote from: garebear on July 17, 2011, 01:37:34 PM

You are batshit crazy if you think people are trying to get Sharia Law passed in the US

Made up issue for the stupid vote.

They're pushing it in Europe aren't they?

I like Muslims, we have some here. They're nice people, they make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes. They have one Mosque in the whole half of this State. The Minaret is only two stories, and it's dwarfed by the Presbyterian church down the road.

I don't want an invasion of low class, uneducated savages that happen to be Muslim (like in Europe), but I welcome these intelligent Middle Easterners.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:56:56 PM »

Quote from: garebear on July 17, 2011, 01:37:34 PM

You are batshit crazy if you think people are trying to get Sharia Law passed in the US

Made up issue for the stupid vote.

You sure about that? I recall BF posting a thread (or multiple threads) talking about this.

Skeletor · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:01:14 PM »

Many communities have blocked religious institutions, on grounds that the neighborhood/area will depreciate, there will be extra traffic and noise, vehicles parking on the street, etc.
The way Cain phrases this seems to imply he wants to do it only for certain religions.

While on the issue, another quote by Cain is quite interesting, coming from his mouth: "Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state".

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2011, 04:36:01 AM »

Quote from: poldaktalos on July 17, 2011, 02:01:14 PM

Many communities have blocked religious institutions, on grounds that the neighborhood/area will depreciate, there will be extra traffic and noise, vehicles parking on the street, etc.
The way Cain phrases this seems to imply he wants to do it only for certain religions.

While on the issue, another quote by Cain is quite interesting, coming from his mouth: "Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state".

That's no different from not allowing black people to move into a community. Cain is obviously desperate for the Tea Party Vote hanging himself with a Jim Crow type philosophy

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2011, 04:51:04 AM »

Do you think the tea party is racist vince?

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:11:05 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on July 18, 2011, 04:51:04 AM

Do you think the tea party is racist vince?

No, I think the Tea Party is a extremist group of the GOP party. There are a number of people in it that are members of the Klu Klux Klan and white supremacist movement but as a whole, I don't think so

Kazan · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:15:04 AM »

Wow, expecting the constitution to be followed is now an extremist position, I guess I must be an extremist

240 is Back · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2011, 07:31:19 AM »

cain's NH and IOWA operations are falling apart. He's running for nationally syndicated talk show host, silly rabbits. he'll toss out as many of these one-liners to piss people off, working to be the poor man's rush.

Kazan · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2011, 08:52:49 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 18, 2011, 07:31:19 AM

cain's NH and IOWA operations are falling apart. He's running for nationally syndicated talk show host, silly rabbits. he'll toss out as many of these one-liners to piss people off, working to be the poor man's rush.

Do you really know anything about Islam? It is not simply a religion, it is a complete governmental, social, economic, and legal system. And since the system is from allah, it superceeds all man made laws. Not being allowed to build a Mosque, Church, or Synagog does not prevent someone from practicing their religion. I fail to see why you can't understand this simple shit

garebear · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:05:51 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on July 18, 2011, 08:52:49 AM

Do you really know anything about Islam? It is not simply a religion, it is a complete governmental, social, economic, and legal system. And since the system is from allah, it superceeds all man made laws. Not being allowed to build a Mosque, Church, or Synagog does not prevent someone from practicing their religion. I fail to see why you can't understand this simple shit

Right on. America's 100 million Muslims may form a voting block at any moment.

We better pass some damn laws.

Kazan · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:30:07 AM »

Quote from: garebear on July 19, 2011, 04:05:51 AM

Right on. America's 100 million Muslims may form a voting block at any moment.

We better pass some damn laws.

What does that have to do with anything? If a church or synagog gets denied permission to build somewhere, not a peep. But as soon as the Islam, Muslim, or Mosque is mentioned discrimination

The constitution guarantee's the right to freedom of religion, no where does it say anything about a right to build a place of worship.

chadstallion · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2011, 06:59:55 AM »

...and there goes his election chances...
"Hi, thank yo for calling Pizza Hut, may I take your order.."

Kazan · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2011, 07:06:25 AM »

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 18, 2011, 04:36:01 AM

That's no different from not allowing black people to move into a community. Cain is obviously desperate for the Tea Party Vote hanging himself with a Jim Crow type philosophy

So not allowing a house of worship to be built is the same as not allowing someone to move into a community? Dude if you stretch any further you are going to pull something.

And while we are on the subject, how is that you seem to think everything can somehow be equated to slavery or discrimination against black people?

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:53:20 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 07:06:25 AM

So not allowing a house of worship to be built is the same as not allowing someone to move into a community? Dude if you stretch any further you are going to pull something.

It's absolutely the same, a community will allow religious institutions to move in, but discriminates based on the religion...

Kazan · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2011, 03:56:21 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on July 19, 2011, 03:53:20 PM

It's absolutely the same, a community will allow religious institutions to move in, but discriminates based on the religion...

How? You choose what religion you are, you do not choose your skin color.The moment someone tries to outlaw a religion I will be the first one to say its unconstitutional.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:26:24 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 03:56:21 PM

How? You choose what religion you are, you do not choose your skin color.The moment someone tries to outlaw a religion I will be the first one to say its unconstitutional.

I don't understand? You don't support outlawing any religions, but you do support discriminating against certain religions?

I'm not necessarily against discrimination, but I don't see how we can discriminate based on which religion wants to build.

If we do this to Muslims, can we also do it to Christians and Jews?

Fury · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:36:54 PM »

It's been estimated that upwards of 80% of American mosques have been hijacked by wahhabist Imams with sympathetic ties towards jihadists.

Fuck them and the hulking monstrosities they build that tower over everything else as a sign of their supremacism.

Kazan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2011, 04:39:10 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on July 19, 2011, 04:26:24 PM

I don't understand? You don't support outlawing any religions, but you do support discriminating against certain religions?

I'm not necessarily against discrimination, but I don't see how we can discriminate based on which religion wants to build.

If we do this to Muslims, can we also do it to Christians and Jews?

Its simple you have a constitutional right to freedom of religion, you do not a constitutional right to build a church, synagog, or mosque. Not having those does not prevent you from practicing your religion.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:39:13 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 04:39:10 PM

Its simple you have a constitutional right to freedom of religion, you do not a constitutional right to build a church, synagog, or mosque. Not having those does not prevent you from practicing your religion.

I disagree.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If all mosques are banned, then that would prohibit the free exercise of practicing a religion, because an inherent part of that religion consists in gathering with like-minded members of the same faith and this constitutes a "church" (mosque, etc).

I disagree with Cain.

tonymctones · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on July 19, 2011, 05:39:13 PM

I disagree.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If all mosques are banned, then that would prohibit the free exercise of practicing a religion, because an inherent part of that religion consists in gathering with like-minded members of the same faith and this constitutes a "church" (mosque, etc).

I disagree with Cain.

what law is there or is he promoting that is banning all mosques?

Kazan · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:49:29 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on July 19, 2011, 05:39:13 PM

I disagree.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

If all mosques are banned, then that would prohibit the free exercise of practicing a religion, because an inherent part of that religion consists in gathering with like-minded members of the same faith and this constitutes a "church" (mosque, etc).

I disagree with Cain.

Look at the passage, Congress cannot create a religion and force you to join it or stop you from practicing your religion. You can join with like minded members of your faith in your back yard a church.... is not essential to the practice of said religion.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:49:47 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on July 19, 2011, 05:43:29 PM

what law is there or is he promoting that is banning all mosques?

I said "if"

I didn't say there is a law banning all mosques

the first part of my post was disagreeing with Kazan, the last line of my post was disagreeing with Herman Cain in that U.S. communities do not have the right to ban mosques

in a constitutional democracy, majority votes do not trump basic human liberties (unlike a majoritarian democracy). I think Cain is confusing the two, I think banning mosques is banning a human liberty (free exercise of religion which inherently includes the gathering of like-minded members of the same faith).