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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #300 on: July 19, 2011, 06:40:45 PM »
Casein does that? Regardless, does 'remaining anabolic' have any noticeable meaning for a natural?

  No. Lactalbumin(whey) does. Anyway, staying anabolic with food is even more important for a natural than for a juicer, and whey only keeps you anabolic for 20 minutes and then you are back at being catabolic.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #301 on: July 19, 2011, 06:42:14 PM »
 no. Lactalbumin(whey) does. Anyway, staying anabolic with food is even more important for a natural than for a juicer, and whey only keeps you anabolic for 20 minutes and then you are back at being catabolic.

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I use a 50/50 protein, whey/casein.

It's still convenient as hell.
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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #302 on: July 19, 2011, 06:48:29 PM »
Sorry, thats just not the case.  I have not changed in years.  All of my measurements are all the same and my clothes have not needed a single centimeter of alteration.

But you just said in another post that you were around 175-180. If I recall you also said you were 150-155 in those old pictures. if you're measurements haven't changed and you're 20-25lbs heavier (fatter) the only conclusion is........you're skinny/fat.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #303 on: July 19, 2011, 06:48:46 PM »
I use a 50/50 protein, whey/casein.

It's still convenient as hell.

  Just use plain casein. It is much cheaper and keeps you anabolic for much longer than whey. Whey has a higher B.V but it is out of your system too fast to keep you anabolic. Save whey for taking after training, when you need a quick rush of amino acids to the muscles.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #304 on: July 19, 2011, 06:50:58 PM »
But you just said in another post that you were around 175-180. If I recall you also said you were 150-155 in those old pictures. if you're measurements haven't changed and you're 20-25lbs heavier (fatter) the only conclusion is........you're skinny/fat.

He can't remember his own lies. He also stated a while back that the reason he would not enter the Getbig 2 contest was that he would not have enough time to get in shape.  ::)

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #305 on: July 19, 2011, 07:01:22 PM »
But you just said in another post that you were around 175-180. If I recall you also said you were 150-155 in those old pictures. if you're measurements haven't changed and you're 20-25lbs heavier (fatter) the only conclusion is........you're skinny/fat.
I was 175 in those pictures.  I never said once that I was 155-160 in those pictures.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #306 on: July 19, 2011, 07:04:04 PM »
I am sorry that I didn`t have on an Affliction T-Shirt with Cargo stinker shorts or whatever the crap is that you and the commoners wear these days.

what about some normal jeans, with a normal t-shirt? oh nvm you wanna look like an intellectual homo, its all good...

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #307 on: July 19, 2011, 07:04:56 PM »
I was 175 in those pictures.  I never said once that I was 155-160 in those pictures.

Total bullshit. That was one of the reasons we were giving you shit back then. Remember one thing TA, integrity is worth more than money. Your integrity isn't worth very much if anything at all.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #308 on: July 19, 2011, 07:07:30 PM »
 No. Lactalbumin(whey) does. Anyway, staying anabolic with food is even more important for a natural than for a juicer, and whey only keeps you anabolic for 20 minutes and then you are back at being catabolic.

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thats complete bullshit.

whey protein digests at a rate of about 10 grams per hour.

so one 20 gram shake will give you an overload of amino's entering the blood stream for a 2 hour period.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #309 on: July 19, 2011, 07:07:37 PM »
 Yeah, because ordering a double cheeseburgers with potatoes fried in partially hydrogenated oil is just as good as eating a skinless turkey breast with brown rice and broccoli.

  And the multiple posters who have corrected you are right: the word supplements is plural and therefeore you should have written "aren't' and not "isn't". It seems like you enjoy taking your revenge for Nature butchering your face before you were born by butchering the English language.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #310 on: July 19, 2011, 07:08:42 PM »
thats complete bullshit.

whey protein digests at a rate of about 10 grams per hour.

  No. Just no.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #311 on: July 19, 2011, 07:10:54 PM »
  No. Just no.

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A Review of Issues of Dietary Protein Intake in Humans

The key issues are the rate at which the gastrointestinal tract can absorb amino acids from dietary proteins (1.3 to 10 g/h) and the liver's capacity to deaminate proteins and produce urea for excretion of excess nitrogen. The accepted level of protein requirement of 0.8g ∙ kg-1 ∙ d-1 is based on structural requirements and ignores the use of protein for energy metabolism. High protein diets on the other hand advocate excessive levels of protein intake on the order of 200 to 400 g/d. The three different measures of defining protein intake, which should be viewed together are: absolute intake (g/d), intake related to body weight (g ∙ kg-1 ∙ d-1) and intake as a fraction of total energy (percent energy).



Rapidly absorbed amino acids despite stimulating greater protein synthesis, also stimulate greater amino acid oxidation, and hence results in a lower net protein gain, than slowly absorbed protein (54). Leucine balance, a measurable endpoint for protein balance, is indicated in Figure 1, which shows slowly absorbed amino acids (~ 6 to 7 g/h), such as CAS and 2.3 g of WP repeatedly taken orally every 20 min (RPT-WP), provide significantly better protein balance than rapidly absorbed amino acids (39, 54).

The misconception in the fitness and sports industries is that rapidly absorbed protein, such as WP and AA promote better protein anabolism. As the graph shows, slowly absorbed protein such as CAS and small amounts of WP (RPT-WP) provide four and nine times more protein synthesis than WP.


Using the findings of amino acid absorption rates shown in Table 2 (using leucine balance as a measurable endpoint for protein balance), a maximal amino acid intake measured by the inhibition of proteolysis and increase in postprandial protein gain, may only be ~ 6 to 7 g/h (as described by RPT-WP, and casein) (38), which corresponds to a maximal protein intake of 144 to 168 g/d.

From our earlier calculations elucidating the maximal amounts of protein intake from MRUS, an 80 kg subject could theoretically tolerate up to 301 to 365 g of protein per day, but this would require an absorption rate of 12.5 to 15 g/h, an unlikely level given the results of the studies reported above.

 Some evidence suggests, however, that a high protein diet increases leucine oxidation (82, 83), while other data demonstrate that the slower digestion rate of protein (38, 54), and the timing of protein ingestion (with resistance training) (84) promote muscle protein synthesis.

Absorption rates of amino acids from the gut can vary from 1.4 g/h for raw egg white to 8 to 10 g/h for whey protein isolate. Slowly absorbed amino acids such as casein (~ 6 g/h) and repeated small doses of whey protein (2.9 g per 20 min, totaling ~ 7 g/h) promote leucine balance, a marker of protein balance, superior to that of a single dose of 30 g of whey protein or free amino acids which are both rapidly absorbed (8 to 10 g/h), and enhance amino acid oxidation. This gives us an initial understanding that although higher protein intakes are physiologically possible, and tolerable by the human body, they may not be functionally optimal in terms of building and preserving body protein. The general, although incorrect consensus among athletes and bodybuilders, is that rapid protein absorption corresponds to greater muscle building.


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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #312 on: July 19, 2011, 07:11:15 PM »
I am sorry that I didn`t have on an Affliction T-Shirt with Cargo stinker shorts or whatever the crap is that you and the commoners wear these days.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #313 on: July 19, 2011, 07:11:22 PM »
Tbombz for the win!

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #314 on: July 19, 2011, 07:18:02 PM »
Did you take the dogs with you ? and refresh them after the walk by giving them some cold milk in their stainless steel bowels ?

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #315 on: July 19, 2011, 07:18:40 PM »
That is your own fallacious aspersion.  I went out for a bit to tend to my graveyard and I come back and this is the best you can muster?  ???

Did you walk down the cobblestone path and pluck up a few weeds on the way back?

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #316 on: July 19, 2011, 07:33:54 PM »
This in NOT the Tbombz I pictured.  

I pictured a black guy from west Philadelphia, born and raised, who on the playground would spend most of his days.  Chillin out, maxin, relaxing all cool and even shooting some b-ball outside of his school.  On occasion, he would bump into a couple of guys who were up to no good that would end up making trouble in his neighborhood, leading to him getting into one lil fight making his mom feel scared..



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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #317 on: July 19, 2011, 07:45:46 PM »
thats complete bullshit.

whey protein digests at a rate of about 10 grams per hour.

so one 20 gram shake will give you an overload of amino's entering the blood stream for a 2 hour period.


so are you saying that a 300lbs with abs beast on 2000mg of test that lifts weights for 3 hours a day have the same rate of digestion as a 100lbs bottom twink that stays the whole day sleeping??

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #318 on: July 19, 2011, 08:10:35 PM »
Did you walk down the cobblestone path and pluck up a few weeds on the way back?
Pea Gravel, yes and I weed as I go at times.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #319 on: July 19, 2011, 08:21:20 PM »

A Review of Issues of Dietary Protein Intake in Humans

The key issues are the rate at which the gastrointestinal tract can absorb amino acids from dietary proteins (1.3 to 10 g/h) and the liver's capacity to deaminate proteins and produce urea for excretion of excess nitrogen. The accepted level of protein requirement of 0.8g ∙ kg-1 ∙ d-1 is based on structural requirements and ignores the use of protein for energy metabolism. High protein diets on the other hand advocate excessive levels of protein intake on the order of 200 to 400 g/d. The three different measures of defining protein intake, which should be viewed together are: absolute intake (g/d), intake related to body weight (g ∙ kg-1 ∙ d-1) and intake as a fraction of total energy (percent energy).



Rapidly absorbed amino acids despite stimulating greater protein synthesis, also stimulate greater amino acid oxidation, and hence results in a lower net protein gain, than slowly absorbed protein (54). Leucine balance, a measurable endpoint for protein balance, is indicated in Figure 1, which shows slowly absorbed amino acids (~ 6 to 7 g/h), such as CAS and 2.3 g of WP repeatedly taken orally every 20 min (RPT-WP), provide significantly better protein balance than rapidly absorbed amino acids (39, 54).

The misconception in the fitness and sports industries is that rapidly absorbed protein, such as WP and AA promote better protein anabolism. As the graph shows, slowly absorbed protein such as CAS and small amounts of WP (RPT-WP) provide four and nine times more protein synthesis than WP.


Using the findings of amino acid absorption rates shown in Table 2 (using leucine balance as a measurable endpoint for protein balance), a maximal amino acid intake measured by the inhibition of proteolysis and increase in postprandial protein gain, may only be ~ 6 to 7 g/h (as described by RPT-WP, and casein) (38), which corresponds to a maximal protein intake of 144 to 168 g/d.

From our earlier calculations elucidating the maximal amounts of protein intake from MRUS, an 80 kg subject could theoretically tolerate up to 301 to 365 g of protein per day, but this would require an absorption rate of 12.5 to 15 g/h, an unlikely level given the results of the studies reported above.

 Some evidence suggests, however, that a high protein diet increases leucine oxidation (82, 83), while other data demonstrate that the slower digestion rate of protein (38, 54), and the timing of protein ingestion (with resistance training) (84) promote muscle protein synthesis.

Absorption rates of amino acids from the gut can vary from 1.4 g/h for raw egg white to 8 to 10 g/h for whey protein isolate. Slowly absorbed amino acids such as casein (~ 6 g/h) and repeated small doses of whey protein (2.9 g per 20 min, totaling ~ 7 g/h) promote leucine balance, a marker of protein balance, superior to that of a single dose of 30 g of whey protein or free amino acids which are both rapidly absorbed (8 to 10 g/h), and enhance amino acid oxidation. This gives us an initial understanding that although higher protein intakes are physiologically possible, and tolerable by the human body, they may not be functionally optimal in terms of building and preserving body protein. The general, although incorrect consensus among athletes and bodybuilders, is that rapid protein absorption corresponds to greater muscle building.



  This doesen't mean that it will stay in your bloodstream for hours. It will take an hour to be absorbed, but once absorbed from your gut to your bloodstream it is out of your bloodtream in 20 minutes. What matters is the time it stays in your bloodstream. ;)

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #320 on: July 19, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
There has been a major demand for over 25 years and still is. A large number of supplement users are repeat customers therefore they're working on a few levels for most.
They're especially important for people that have illness in many areas, diabetics, cardiovascular issues, nervous system issues, joint issues, and down the list.
Once most your clowns get past your cell tech days, you'll likely realize you also want to extend the functionality of your body and its health.
85% of the industry is health/wellness/cosmoceuticals. Only 15% of the supplement industry is sports nutrition. Therefore, when you care to look, theres a lot of shit people take to live better and avoid having to take the bullshit they try to hawk us on tv. In fact, as i type this, there is a commercial on the tv about some random pharmaceutical. Go that route and you'll hike your rates and likely never be consulted by your doctor on how to get off the medication he put you on.

Adonis, being a 175lb twink and reading books all day in his drab mother law quarters he lives is, will likely live a long life by himself and need little nutritional support due to low stress and responsibilities. God forbid he wind up something like Parkinsons and find that he cant control his life without a combination of pharmaceuticals and over the counter agents like coq10... I guess he'll just outsmart whatever ailments he may come down with being the genius he is.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #321 on: July 20, 2011, 07:32:30 AM »
I got those at a Vintage store and they are Ray Ban.  Not sure of the year of the make.  I went there to buy a pair of tortoise shell glasses, but someone had bought the last pair that would have fit me.   :-\


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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #322 on: July 20, 2011, 07:40:12 AM »
OK so here is the deal, IF Adonis post a picture of himself, shirtless and holding a recent newspaper, I propose myself to receive Disgusted password and personnally delete his account. (even if it's a pretty fucking stupid statement as Ron could himself delete his account)

I think I proved myself to be pretty honnest over the years here so it's up to you Adonis

I am sure Jim will approve too

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #323 on: July 20, 2011, 07:50:09 AM »
  This doesen't mean that it will stay in your bloodstream for hours. It will take an hour to be absorbed, but once absorbed from your gut to your bloodstream it is out of your bloodtream in 20 minutes. What matters is the time it stays in your bloodstream. ;)
???  Once any type of protein is in the blood stream, they are all amino acids.  At this point the body does not distinguish between type of protein.  One type will not stay in the blood stream any longer than another.  It is rather the slower release of amino acids into the blood stream that is different.
Nice try though  ;D

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #324 on: July 20, 2011, 08:10:06 AM »
OK so here is the deal, IF Adonis post a picture of himself, shirtless and holding a recent newspaper, I propose myself to receive Disgusted password and personnally delete his account. (even if it's a pretty fucking stupid statement as Ron could himself delete his account)

I think I proved myself to be pretty honnest over the years here so it's up to you Adonis

I am sure Jim will approve too

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