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« on: July 23, 2011, 06:38:56 PM »
the last three repub presidents, bushs and reagan racked up over two times more debt then all other presidents combined. That is such a criminal thought.

the economic policies of the party do not work, plain and simple.


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Re: debt
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 06:42:58 PM »
And obamas debt? 

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 10:36:14 PM »
In less than two years, Obama spent more than all US presidents in the history of country combined.  Without the Republicans taking over the House, he would have spent even more.  So your point is what exactly? 

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 10:44:53 PM »
In less than two years, Obama spent more than all US presidents in the history of country combined.  Without the Republicans taking over the House, he would have spent even more.  So your point is what exactly? 
that he knows nothing of the US's problems...

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 10:50:06 PM »
that he knows nothing of the US's problems...

I mean other than that.   :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 11:20:36 PM »
In less than two years, Obama spent more than all US presidents in the history of country combined.  Without the Republicans taking over the House, he would have spent even more.  So your point is what exactly? 

The debt is only up 4 trillion dollars since Obama took office.... So that is entirely incorrect.

The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated.

Has he spent too much, yes... but your statement is incorrect.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 11:33:01 PM »
The debt is only up 4 trillion dollars since Obama took office.... So that is entirely incorrect.

The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated.

Has he spent too much, yes... but your statement is incorrect.

Wrong again.   :)

Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.
Wednesday, September 08, 2010
By Terence P. Jeffrey

(CNSNews.com) - In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.
 
The U.S. Treasury Department divides the federal debt into two categories. One is “debt held by the public,” which includes U.S. government securities owned by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments and other entities outside the federal government itself. The other is “intragovernmental” debt, which includes I.O.U.s the federal government gives to itself when, for example, the Treasury borrows money out of the Social Security “trust fund” to pay for expenses other than Social Security.

At the end of fiscal year 1989, which ended eight months after President Reagan left office, the total federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That means all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan had accumulated only that much publicly held debt on behalf of American taxpayers. That is $335.3  billion less than the $2.5260 trillion that was added to the federal debt held by the public just between Jan. 20, 2009, when President Obama was inaugurated, and Aug. 20, 2010, the 19-month anniversary of Obama's inauguration.
 
By contrast, President Reagan was sworn into office on Jan. 20, 1981 and left office eight years later on Jan. 20, 1989. At the end of fiscal 1980, four months before Reagan was inaugurated, the federal debt held by the public was $711.9 billion, according to CBO. At the end of fiscal 1989, eight months after Reagan left office, the federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion. That means that in the nine-fiscal-year period of 1980-89--which included all of Reagan’s eight years in office--the federal debt held by the public increased $1.4788 trillion. That is in excess of a trillion dollars less than the $2.5260 increase in the debt held by the public during Obama’s first 19 months.
 
When President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, the total federal debt held by the public stood at 6.3073 trillion, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. As of Aug. 20, 2010, after the first nineteen months of President Obama’s 48-month term, the total federal debt held by the public had grown to a total of $8.8333 trillion, an increase of $2.5260 trillion.
 
In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008.

The CBO predicted this week that the annual budget deficit for fiscal 2010, which ends on the last day of this month, will exceed $1.3 trillion.

The first two fiscal years in which Obama has served will see the two biggest federal deficits as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product since the end of World War II.
 
“CBO currently estimates that the deficit for 2010 will be about $70 billion below last year’s total but will still exceed $1.3 trillion,” said the CBO’s monthly budget review for September, which was released yesterday. “Relative to the size of the economy, this year’s deficit is expected to be the second-largest shortfall in the past 65 years: At 9.1 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), that deficit will be exceeded only by last year’s deficit of 9.9 percent of GDP.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 11:35:48 PM »
Well, that's bullshit.

Sorry, but you can check it out on the US debt clock.

My facts are correct... The debt when Obama took office was just over 10 Trillion. Do you disagree?

Oh. Wait... I see what you did.

You just tried to swerve.

Let's see what you said.


You SAID.

In less than two years, Obama spent more than all US presidents in the history of country combined.  Without the Republicans taking over the House, he would have spent even more.  So your point is what exactly?  

THEN

You posted numbers from Washington through REAGAN... Well, look at how many presidents and years you're missing there.

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Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data

Wow Beach... You may be an idiot.

So Reagan is the previous President before Obama now?

Really?!

Do you want to retort? I think you should stop while you are already looking foolish.

So NO Beach... YOU are wrong... AGAIN.

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Re: debt
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 11:39:53 PM »
Well, that's bullshit.

Sorry, but you can check it out on the US debt clock.

My facts are correct... The debt when Obama took office was just over 10 Trillion. Do you disagree?

Oh. Wait... I see what you did.

You just tried to swerve.

Let's see what you said.


You SAID.

THEN

You posted numbers from Washington through REAGAN... Well, look at how many presidents and years you're missing there.

Wow Beach... You may be an idiot.

So Reagan is the previous President before Obama now?

Really?!



Oh wow.  What a mistake.  lol.   ::)  You want a cookie? 

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 11:40:47 PM »
Oh wow.  What a mistake.  lol.   ::)  You want a cookie?  

No, you can just say "I was wrong."

I know you hate to do it... So you deflect with the old "cookie" routine.

You really got me there!

::)

(Appropriate use of rolley eyes)

Go on... You can admit you were wrong... Come on... You can do it.


PS... That's about an 8 trillion dollar mistake you made there.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 11:52:19 PM »
No, you can just say "I was wrong."

I know you hate to do it... So you deflect with the old "cookie" routine.

You really got me there!

::)

(Appropriate use of rolley eyes)

Go on... You can admit you were wrong... Come on... You can do it.


PS... That's about an 8 trillion dollar mistake you made there.


I'll check my facts.  I may have gotten my facts wrong.  Or more accurately, relied on stories that are factually incorrect.   

But no kudos to you.  You're about as accurate as a broken clock. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 11:53:19 PM »
I'll check my facts.  I may have gotten my facts wrong.  Or more accurately, relied on stories that are factually incorrect.   

But no kudos to you.  You're about as accurate as a broken clock. 

I think you got your statement wrong more than anything. Humility is certainly against your nature.

That's not very Christian of you... God would not approve.  >:(

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2011, 11:57:25 PM »
I think you got your statement wrong more than anything. Humility is certainly against your nature.

That's not very Christian of you... God would not approve.  >:(

God has a sense humor.  He made you.   :)

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2011, 11:58:12 PM »
God has a sense humor.  He made you.   :)


Funny, I laugh at him right back.

(The idea anyway)

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 12:05:51 AM »
Ok.  I stand corrected.  According to this, he accumulated more projected debt than all previous presidents combined. 

Obama to have accumulated more debt than ALL previous 43 presidents COMBINED
JULY 10, 2011
by Say It Ain't So

The size of the Obama failed presidency is so enormous that one has trouble getting his or her mind around it.

One way to look at it, though, is by comparing his spending to that of previous presidents.

But, Obama’s spending is so humongous that one has to go back to all the presidents in history – combined!

PolitiFact (h/t Weasel Zippers) — We’re able to calculate the debt figures for the earlier dates using the U.S. Department of Treasury’s “Debt to the Penny” calculator. The future debt amounts come from Office of Management and Budget projections. Because they are projections, they’re subject to change as economic circumstances change, but they are are widely cited among experts. (OMB doesn’t project future debt to specific dates, only to the end of future fiscal years, so that’s why our ending dates are only at the end of fiscal years.)

Here are the debt totals accumulated during the three periods we listed above:

End of fiscal year 2008, when the accrued debt under the 43 presidents was $5.851 trillion, to the end of fiscal 2012, when the debt is projected to reach $11.881 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.

Obama inauguration, when the accrued debt was $6.307 trillion, to the end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. Yes, more than the previous 43 presidents.

End of fiscal year 2009, when the accrued debt was $7.506 trillion, to end of fiscal year 2013, when the debt is projected to reach $12.784 trillion. No, not as much as the previous 43 presidents.

Over the first two scenarios above, the debt more than doubled from the starting point (which reflects the debt under the prior 43 presidents) to the ending point. So in these two scenarios, Romney is right — Obama accumulated more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined. But for the third scenario, the debt didn’t double, so Romney would be wrong. This exercise is a testament to the fact that small changes in assumptions can produce big differences in outcomes.

http://quitenormal.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/obama-to-have-accumulated-more-debt-than-all-previous-43-presidents-combined/

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2011, 01:10:28 AM »
Bump for Beach Fag not knowing what the hell he's talking about.

PS... Obama needs to cut spending and increase revenue.

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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2011, 02:05:33 AM »
And he is a moderator on top of top...ridicilous

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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 03:44:14 AM »
Obamas spending dwarfs anything we have seen. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2011, 05:06:45 AM »
You guys are missing one very important point, the POTUS can't spend a dime without congress.The POTUS changes every 4 to 8 years, but we have congressmen who have spent their whole adult life in congress, hell some of the die of old age in office. That right there is the root of the problem.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2011, 05:12:09 AM »
Most of Bushs' bad stuff came once Pelos and the dems took over in 2006.  If you look at any chart, that is when everything started falling apart, on all levels. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 05:40:33 AM »
The republicans have the majority in congress right?
So no more spending should be approved correct?

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2011, 05:41:55 AM »
The republicans have the majority in congress right?
So no more spending should be approved correct?

No, they have one chamber of one house in congress.   


The spending is the reason for the impasse over the budget debt ceiling. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2011, 05:44:10 AM »
No, they have one chamber of one house in congress.   


The spending is the reason for the impasse over the budget debt ceiling. 

Cool thanks

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2011, 10:59:31 AM »
The debt is only up 4 trillion dollars since Obama took office.... So that is entirely incorrect.

The National Debt stood at $10.626 trillion the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated.

Has he spent too much, yes... but your statement is incorrect.

Only $4 trillion?  Let's write that out: $4,000,000,000,000!!  Assuming 300 million people in the US, Obama has slapped every man, woman, and child with a bill of $13,333 in two years in office. 

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2011, 11:00:20 AM »
obama could care less. 

He is intent on collapsing this nation and I am more confident of that today than ever.   He does not care.