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Arnold jr. Big Cycle to no Cycle to Hormone Crash to TRT
« on: July 24, 2011, 11:53:22 PM »
As many of you know in 2009 I began my first full blown cycle in well over a year. For a little over a year I kind of backed off things, was busy with some new projects I had in my life and while I still trained and ate fairly well the whole thing took a bit of a back seat so to speak. In Oct. of 2009 I decided it was time to take another go of things, for the past yr I had been running 200mg of test every 7-10 days but that was it, this would be the first full blown cycle in a long time and it was:

Anabol: 50mg/ed
Testoviron: 250mg/ed
Tren-a: 100mg/ed

I had also had 10 kits of Serostim on the way that had not arrived yet. I had been on the above for a little over 4wks and felt fantastic, I felt at this point I could finally do some real damage as I had reached a point to where I finally understood how my body reacted positively and negatively to certain foods, how best to conjoin my gear with my training and diet. Needless to say this was only a short lived cycle because of the events that would soon transpire and I was forced to discontinue everything instantly.

The first 4-5 weeks I was fine but at around week 6 I started to crash and by wk 8 it was very noticeable. My energy levels were gone, I was tired constantly like a 90 yr old man who needs multiple naps throughout the day. I got sick, very sick and it took weeks to get over it and this would happen several times over the course of the next year. I would get the flu and it would takes weeks to recover from and then a few weeks later I'd get it again. My sex drive was now almost non-existent, it would come back in small spurts every now and then but for the most part it was gone. Of course the stress of what I was dealing with played a large role in this too but the hormone crash was the number one culprit. Needless to say I watched as my physique lost muscle at a rapid rate and the fat gain that came along with it was not a pretty one.  

In April of 2011 I finally started seeing a hormone specialist, when they checked my levels my total test was 63, not too surprising but for those that don't know most men over the age of 50 produce more than that and I'm 32. My LH was fine and my IGF-1 was a little low, as well as my estrogen production and that one was a little surprising, I thought my estro levels would have been a little higher. I asked the doctor if he thought my extreme low levels were do to 10 years of heavy hormone use and he said that probably played a part but the biggest thing was having to stop such a large cycle so abruptly, he likened it to running real fast, you're going along just fine and then you run straight into a brick wall...it's going to hurt and it's going to do some serious damage.

He wrote me a script for Testosterone-Cypionate 200mg per wk and I have been on that for about 10 weeks now and I have to say I feel fantastic, I actually feel like myself again. For a year I had gotten really depressed, the combination of losing the only woman I had ever loved who I was set to marry and with the trouble I got into it all only enhanced the hormonal problems...it was the hardest year of my life without question.

Things are looking better, slowly but surely the fat has been coming off, some muscles that I haven't seen pop in a while are starting to take form again. Sure, I'd love it if it were faster but my body took a beating for a long time and the process is simply going to require a bit of patience. Will I ever really cycle again, a good full blown cycle? Well it should come as no surprise, I sure would like to; after all, once you've tasted steak eating dirt is never quite as satisfying. However, right now it's simply not worth it, the risk is too great but you better believe I miss it. The truth is simple, you can train and eat perfectly but hormones are everything, yes you can make good progress without but you cannot regardless of now genetically gifted you are do anything all that special without them and this goes for bodybuilding and just about any major sporting pursuit you can think of.

So that's my story as of today. Hope you enjoyed.

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Re: Arnold jr. Big Cycle to no Cycle to Hormone Crash to TRT
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 06:24:43 AM »
I know how you feel bro. First cycle I did was pretty heavy 2-3 amps a week of hg sustanon and as many dbol tabs as I could handle. I got pretty big for my standard. Well I didn't realize what a bad crash I was going to have! Like an idiot I stopped my cycle half way through football season in college. This is the time when guys start loosing muscle and weight because you don't have the time to lift weights like you want during season. We ran like crazy to. I dropped 25 pounds in a matter of a few weeks!! I felt like complete shit!!! On top of that I was dealing with a pain killer addiction. On top of that my girlfriend  for 5 years found out I cheated on her. She tortured me about it for months! I should of just let that bitch go but all the estrogen that was now flooding my system wouldn't let me! I cried a lot! I was overdoing it with the clomid made it a million times worse. Worst 6 months of my fucken life bro.

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 09:28:52 AM »
So from your experiences Arnold what would you have done differently?

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 09:48:37 AM »
As many of you know in 2009 I began my first full blown cycle in well over a year. For a little over a year I kind of backed off things, was busy with some new projects I had in my life and while I still trained and ate fairly well the whole thing took a bit of a back seat so to speak. In Oct. of 2009 I decided it was time to take another go of things, for the past yr I had been running 200mg of test every 7-10 days but that was it, this would be the first full blown cycle in a long time and it was:

Anabol: 50mg/ed
Testoviron: 250mg/ed
Tren-a: 100mg/ed

I had also had 10 kits of Serostim on the way that had not arrived yet. I had been on the above for a little over 4wks and felt fantastic, I felt at this point I could finally do some real damage as I had reached a point to where I finally understood how my body reacted positively and negatively to certain foods, how best to conjoin my gear with my training and diet. Needless to say this was only a short lived cycle because of the events that would soon transpire and I was forced to discontinue everything instantly.

The first 4-5 weeks I was fine but at around week 6 I started to crash and by wk 8 it was very noticeable. My energy levels were gone, I was tired constantly like a 90 yr old man who needs multiple naps throughout the day. I got sick, very sick and it took weeks to get over it and this would happen several times over the course of the next year. I would get the flu and it would takes weeks to recover from and then a few weeks later I'd get it again. My sex drive was now almost non-existent, it would come back in small spurts every now and then but for the most part it was gone. Of course the stress of what I was dealing with played a large role in this too but the hormone crash was the number one culprit. Needless to say I watched as my physique lost muscle at a rapid rate and the fat gain that came along with it was not a pretty one.  

In April of 2011 I finally started seeing a hormone specialist, when they checked my levels my total test was 63, not too surprising but for those that don't know most men over the age of 50 produce more than that and I'm 32. My LH was fine and my IGF-1 was a little low, as well as my estrogen production and that one was a little surprising, I thought my estro levels would have been a little higher. I asked the doctor if he thought my extreme low levels were do to 10 years of heavy hormone use and he said that probably played a part but the biggest thing was having to stop such a large cycle so abruptly, he likened it to running real fast, you're going along just fine and then you run straight into a brick wall...it's going to hurt and it's going to do some serious damage.

He wrote me a script for Testosterone-Cypionate 200mg per wk and I have been on that for about 10 weeks now and I have to say I feel fantastic, I actually feel like myself again. For a year I had gotten really depressed, the combination of losing the only woman I had ever loved who I was set to marry and with the trouble I got into it all only enhanced the hormonal problems...it was the hardest year of my life without question.

Things are looking better, slowly but surely the fat has been coming off, some muscles that I haven't seen pop in a while are starting to take form again. Sure, I'd love it if it were faster but my body took a beating for a long time and the process is simply going to require a bit of patience. Will I ever really cycle again, a good full blown cycle? Well it should come as no surprise, I sure would like to; after all, once you've tasted steak eating dirt is never quite as satisfying. However, right now it's simply not worth it, the risk is too great but you better believe I miss it. The truth is simple, you can train and eat perfectly but hormones are everything, yes you can make good progress without but you cannot regardless of now genetically gifted you are do anything all that special without them and this goes for bodybuilding and just about any major sporting pursuit you can think of.

So that's my story as of today. Hope you enjoyed.
Great read, thanks.

Whats your advice for those who cruise between cycles? Ive done it myself and i must admit the whole thing is pretty boring..you just get tired.

Im like 20 weeks into my cycle and im thinking of just stopping it right there.

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Re: Arnold jr. Big Cycle to no Cycle to Hormone Crash to TRT
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 11:06:12 AM »
i had about 2 yr off and it was a pretty boring existance, when u live for training and bodybuilding its just not the same..

you can still look ok, but your either going to be smaller and in shape or a little fatter to fill your self out and cling to some size

id say food 15% training 15% gear 70%.... or probly even more

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 01:40:37 PM »
So from your experiences Arnold what would you have done differently?

Well I would have just continued cycle...I'm not trying to be a smart ass saying that but the only reason I stopped is because I was forced to, it wasn't my choice, far from it. I've run cycles like that in the past for months on end, although I will say that would have been the most test I ever used in a cycle but I was always fine in the past once I came off. I would generally be on most of the year with periods of just an amp of test a wk but most of the year was full blown...once I was ready to come off I'd drop everything but the test but run the test at a few 100mg's a wk then some HCG and then nolva and I'd be fine until the next go around...but that's not how all this went. I pumped all that gear in my system for about 5wks and was forced to stop everything and crashed hard.

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 01:41:48 PM »
Great read, thanks.

Whats your advice for those who cruise between cycles? Ive done it myself and i must admit the whole thing is pretty boring..you just get tired.

Im like 20 weeks into my cycle and im thinking of just stopping it right there.
I've cruised on low doses of test many times and never had a problem. Usually 200-300mg of test per wk.

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 01:42:51 PM »
i had about 2 yr off and it was a pretty boring existance, when u live for training and bodybuilding its just not the same..

you can still look ok, but your either going to be smaller and in shape or a little fatter to fill your self out and cling to some size

id say food 15% training 15% gear 70%.... or probly even more

I still think food plays a big role even though some will argue against that all day long but in the grand scheme of things yes, gear is everything. Anyone who says differently is either lying or has no idea what they're talking about.

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 11:37:19 PM »
As many of you know in 2009 I began my first full blown cycle in well over a year. For a little over a year I kind of backed off things, was busy with some new projects I had in my life and while I still trained and ate fairly well the whole thing took a bit of a back seat so to speak. In Oct. of 2009 I decided it was time to take another go of things, for the past yr I had been running 200mg of test every 7-10 days but that was it, this would be the first full blown cycle in a long time and it was:

Anabol: 50mg/ed
Testoviron: 250mg/ed
Tren-a: 100mg/ed

I had also had 10 kits of Serostim on the way that had not arrived yet. I had been on the above for a little over 4wks and felt fantastic, I felt at this point I could finally do some real damage as I had reached a point to where I finally understood how my body reacted positively and negatively to certain foods, how best to conjoin my gear with my training and diet. Needless to say this was only a short lived cycle because of the events that would soon transpire and I was forced to discontinue everything instantly.

The first 4-5 weeks I was fine but at around week 6 I started to crash and by wk 8 it was very noticeable. My energy levels were gone, I was tired constantly like a 90 yr old man who needs multiple naps throughout the day. I got sick, very sick and it took weeks to get over it and this would happen several times over the course of the next year. I would get the flu and it would takes weeks to recover from and then a few weeks later I'd get it again. My sex drive was now almost non-existent, it would come back in small spurts every now and then but for the most part it was gone. Of course the stress of what I was dealing with played a large role in this too but the hormone crash was the number one culprit. Needless to say I watched as my physique lost muscle at a rapid rate and the fat gain that came along with it was not a pretty one.  

In April of 2011 I finally started seeing a hormone specialist, when they checked my levels my total test was 63, not too surprising but for those that don't know most men over the age of 50 produce more than that and I'm 32. My LH was fine and my IGF-1 was a little low, as well as my estrogen production and that one was a little surprising, I thought my estro levels would have been a little higher. I asked the doctor if he thought my extreme low levels were do to 10 years of heavy hormone use and he said that probably played a part but the biggest thing was having to stop such a large cycle so abruptly, he likened it to running real fast, you're going along just fine and then you run straight into a brick wall...it's going to hurt and it's going to do some serious damage.

He wrote me a script for Testosterone-Cypionate 200mg per wk and I have been on that for about 10 weeks now and I have to say I feel fantastic, I actually feel like myself again. For a year I had gotten really depressed, the combination of losing the only woman I had ever loved who I was set to marry and with the trouble I got into it all only enhanced the hormonal problems...it was the hardest year of my life without question.

Things are looking better, slowly but surely the fat has been coming off, some muscles that I haven't seen pop in a while are starting to take form again. Sure, I'd love it if it were faster but my body took a beating for a long time and the process is simply going to require a bit of patience. Will I ever really cycle again, a good full blown cycle? Well it should come as no surprise, I sure would like to; after all, once you've tasted steak eating dirt is never quite as satisfying. However, right now it's simply not worth it, the risk is too great but you better believe I miss it. The truth is simple, you can train and eat perfectly but hormones are everything, yes you can make good progress without but you cannot regardless of now genetically gifted you are do anything all that special without them and this goes for bodybuilding and just about any major sporting pursuit you can think of.

So that's my story as of today. Hope you enjoyed.

lol,,2009 ...nice year,,,i call it the year of the syntrax  ,,,was a very very good year because that mother fucker loaded every vial with the best hormone possible delivered from nordic hands,, that was some serious serious year ,,,but to your case....

when you take hormones you should know its forever,, you dont come off,, if you come off you lose it all ,, the end,, 200mg can not bring back what you had,,it can make you feel like normal again yes,, but can nto bring the muscle you had,, for that much more will be needed,,

in general a bodybuild know the price he pay for hormone usage,, and it is life dependency ,, this is the rule and we know it,,

the ONLY reason to go off hormones is if you want baby and have problem making baby,,,thennnnn you can get off and do what need to be done for few months...you will have baby and then boom on ,,ofcourse you will lose lean size but we bodybuilder are good in covering it with fat and stay around same weight,, put big shirt and disapear for 5 months...its a known tactic called the stomack virus enantat version

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 11:39:23 PM »
also to my pupils,, i will not say much here becaue its risky but the reason jason was in that condition ....

THE YEAR OF THE SYNTRAX!


still had one vial of equipona from that year ,,i dont know what that chef did but this should be name in history as THE YEAR! of the syntrax,,

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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 01:35:58 AM »
lol,,2009 ...nice year,,,i call it the year of the syntrax  ,,,was a very very good year because that mother fucker loaded every vial with the best hormone possible delivered from nordic hands,, that was some serious serious year ,,,but to your case....

when you take hormones you should know its forever,, you dont come off,, if you come off you lose it all ,, the end,, 200mg can not bring back what you had,,it can make you feel like normal again yes,, but can nto bring the muscle you had,, for that much more will be needed,,

in general a bodybuild know the price he pay for hormone usage,, and it is life dependency ,, this is the rule and we know it,,

the ONLY reason to go off hormones is if you want baby and have problem making baby,,,thennnnn you can get off and do what need to be done for few months...you will have baby and then boom on ,,ofcourse you will lose lean size but we bodybuilder are good in covering it with fat and stay around same weight,, put big shirt and disapear for 5 months...its a known tactic called the stomack virus enantat version

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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 02:16:51 AM »
im totaly out the loop with all this nordic and other net names being thrown around here,,, am i the only one who buys his gear in person?

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 10:23:24 AM »
lol,,2009 ...nice year,,,i call it the year of the syntrax  ,,,was a very very good year because that mother fucker loaded every vial with the best hormone possible delivered from *****hands,, that was some serious serious year ,,,but to your case....

when you take hormones you should know its forever,, you dont come off,, if you come off you lose it all ,, the end,, 200mg can not bring back what you had,,it can make you feel like normal again yes,, but can nto bring the muscle you had,, for that much more will be needed,,

in general a bodybuild know the price he pay for hormone usage,, and it is life dependency ,, this is the rule and we know it,,

the ONLY reason to go off hormones is if you want baby and have problem making baby,,,thennnnn you can get off and do what need to be done for few months...you will have baby and then boom on ,,ofcourse you will lose lean size but we bodybuilder are good in covering it with fat and stay around same weight,, put big shirt and disapear for 5 months...its a known tactic called the stomack virus enantat version

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While a lot of what you said is true you do understand it does not apply here? It can't....come on, use your head a little.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2011, 12:23:26 PM »
So from your experiences Arnold what would you have done differently?
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 01:23:16 PM »
While a lot of what you said is true you do understand it does not apply here? It can't....come on, use your head a little.

you can'T use ever again ?

it's not like you are on constant watch no ?

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 01:47:40 PM »
you can'T use ever again ?

it's not like you are on constant watch no ?

I have no idea but they have me paranoid beyond belief that's for sure. The risk for me getting into trouble simply isn't worth it, yes, the desire to run a full blown cycle is there, I'm sure it always will be...once you've had steak dirt doesn't taste very good but desire isn't enough of a reason to follow through.

Arnold jr. is legal across the board the good news is the steroid laws will not always be the way they are now. I truly believe in the next 10 years we'll see the law dramatically changed and in a positive sense. It could happen even faster than that but 10 years is in my opinion a safe estimate.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 02:45:01 PM »
I have no idea but they have me paranoid beyond belief that's for sure. The risk for me getting into trouble simply isn't worth it, yes, the desire to run a full blown cycle is there, I'm sure it always will be...once you've had steak dirt doesn't taste very good but desire isn't enough of a reason to follow through.

Arnold jr. is legal across the board the good news is the steroid laws will not always be the way they are now. I truly believe in the next 10 years we'll see the law dramatically changed and in a positive sense. It could happen even faster than that but 10 years is in my opinion a safe estimate.


well,, i gave my promise right? it will ,,i said 2 year ago it wil be within 10 years and it will

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 03:06:55 PM »

well,, i gave my promise right? it will ,,i said 2 year ago it wil be within 10 years and it will

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I actually think it could happen within the next 5 years and I'm hopeful it will. While the press steroids still receive is largely negative in the public arena there are too many good things happening that far outweigh the negative. Anyway, while I'm hopeful for the 5 year mark I realize 10 years might be a little more realistic.