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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2011, 02:03:42 PM »
Do people do this exercise outside of videos? I feel like bodybuilders do it for the camera because they can put so much weight nd make themselves look strong, but stick to machines with lower weight when the camera is off.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2011, 02:13:22 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
Actually, I 've seen a transition in Phil---from doing back exercises in the smith machine  to incorporated more free weight movements...Seems like he is getting more serious

How is t-bar more "free weight" than smith? Think about it.  :D

If that's what you meant?
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2011, 02:17:29 PM »
Quote from: apply85 on August 03, 2011, 02:03:42 PM
Do people do this exercise outside of videos? I feel like bodybuilders do it for the camera because they can put so much weight nd make themselves look strong, but stick to machines with lower weight when the camera is off.
Glass had Flex doing it---of course that was back in 93, Ronnie Coleman did them---and I think most of the Texas Crew---it's a taxing, yet fun movement...hence why many of today's bbers don't it
Quote from: Van_Bilderass on August 03, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
How is t-bar more "free weight" than smith? Think about it.  :D

If that's what you meant?
Well, the old skool way---and the way I perform them in HS, was take a barbell, remove weight off one end and put the end in a corner. Have a T-bar or handle attachment at the end with the weight. So, it's essentially a free weight movement...
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2011, 02:24:27 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 02:17:29 PM

Well, the old skool way---and the way I perform them in HS, was take a barbell, remove weight off one end and put the end in a corner. Have a T-bar or handle attachment at the end with the weight. So, it's essentially a free weight movement...

You are still locked in a groove. The bar can only travel one way. Sure, with a loose barbell it can move side to side also, but you're not supposed to do that. :D T-bar row machine compared to smith row, I see no difference really, both locked movements, though I do think t-bar is generally better due to the bar travel path.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2011, 02:27:09 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 02:17:29 PM
Well, the old skool way---and the way I perform them in HS, was take a barbell, remove weight off one end and put the end in a corner. Have a T-bar or handle attachment at the end with the weight. So, it's essentially a free weight movement...

The bar is fixed to the ground so the weight is not free.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2011, 02:32:50 PM »
Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 03, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
The bar is fixed to the ground so the weight is not free.
>:(  >:(

true...
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2011, 02:37:08 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 02:32:50 PM
>:(  >:(

true...

Nah, get over it, Parker  :D

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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2011, 03:01:34 PM »
Quote from: DroppingPlates on August 03, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
Nah, get over it, Parker  :D


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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2011, 03:11:11 PM »
Quote from: PJim on August 03, 2011, 12:02:57 PM
He's actually wrong. Standing slightly more upright puts the lats in a mechanically stronger position.
ya. bending over past 45 degrees shift the emphasis to upper back/ rear delts/ traps/ rohmboids....      standing more upright allows the lats to contract optimally.  its a different exercise completly when you bend over so much.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2011, 03:21:35 PM »
Quote from: tbombz on August 03, 2011, 03:11:11 PM
ya. bending over past 45 degrees shift the emphasis to upper back/ rear delts/ traps/ rohmboids....      standing more upright allows the lats to contract optimally.  its a different exercise completly when you bend over so much.
At the gym where I used to go, they had one where you HAD to bend over, as there was pad and you pick up the weight, and the angle forced you to stay on the pad---and I felt it in my lats
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2011, 03:30:02 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 03:21:35 PM
At the gym where I used to go, they had one where you HAD to bend over, as there was pad and you pick up the weight, and the angle forced you to stay on the pad---and I felt it in my lats
well most guys confuse upper back with lats ad rarely ever get a decent lat contraction. you might be one of them. bending over all the way you will definitely feel it in your upper back.


the lats connect down near you ass in the middle of the back, and go up under your arm pits.  all the suff on your posterior between your shoulders aint lats, thats rohmbois, traps, rear delts, etc.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2011, 03:58:32 PM »
 the t bar is not a free weight movement.. it is fixed at it hinge.. it is no different than a hammer machine or smith.. it is a machine..
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2011, 05:04:52 PM »
Quote from: GangstaLean on August 03, 2011, 01:45:50 PM
"Which is it Phil? How many notches?" 2 secs in Phil heath land is different from 2 seconds in the land of mere mortals.

The laws of space time continium do not apply to the entity known as The Phil Heath.
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Re: Phil Heath's update (doing T-bar rows)
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2011, 05:19:33 PM »
Insulina rows.
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