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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2011, 03:57:24 PM »
I didnt read the whole thing but this line seems to suggest that there needs to be more cuts, that a further downgrade would result if more cuts arent performed.



Our revised downside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as being consistent with a possible further downgrade to a 'AA'  long-term  rating--features less-favorable macroeconomic assumptions, as outlined below and also assumes that the second round of spending cuts (at least $1.2 trillion) that the act calls for does not occur.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2011, 04:10:38 PM »

oh did they? mind pointing out were in the 9 page document they highlighted that as the reason?

do we have to do this? its going to be embarassing for you.
LOL i asked you to point it out to me and you told me to read it myself...

please do point it out...

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2011, 04:11:24 PM »
I didnt read the whole thing but this line seems to suggest that there needs to be more cuts, that a further downgrade would result if more cuts arent performed.



Our revised downside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as being consistent with a possible further downgrade to a 'AA'  long-term  rating--features less-favorable macroeconomic assumptions, as outlined below and also assumes that the second round of spending cuts (at least $1.2 trillion) that the act calls for does not occur.
nope its the damn tea party I tells ya...

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2011, 04:12:23 PM »
I didnt read the whole thing but this line seems to suggest that there needs to be more cuts, that a further downgrade would result if more cuts arent performed.



Our revised downside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as being consistent with a possible further downgrade to a 'AA'  long-term  rating--features less-favorable macroeconomic assumptions, as outlined below and also assumes that the second round of spending cuts (at least $1.2 trillion) that the act calls for does not occur.

yes it does. didnt say it didn't however that is not the whole story, its clear that increased taxes and removing the bush tax breaks are an equal component based on the document. This is were the republican comment comes in that they refuse to increase taxes and remove the breaks thus in order to decrease the defeceit much more cutting is needed. Thus, the cuts aren't enough in light of no revenue and the stubborness shown leads SandR to assume it will continue and thus the current plan is useless as debt will continue to climb in its current form.

so the best solution is a balanced agreement with revenue increases, if not then the current cuts are not enough and more need to be made.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2011, 04:15:16 PM »
yes it does. didnt say it didn't however that is not the whole story, its clear that increased taxes and removing the bush tax breaks are an equal component based on the document. This is were the republican comment comes in that they refuse to increase taxes and remove the breaks thus in order to decrease the defeceit much more cutting is needed. Thus, the cuts aren't enough in light of no revenue and the stubborness shown leads SandR to assume it will continue and thus the current plan is useless as debt will continue to climb in its current form.

so the best solution is a balanced agreement with revenue increases, if not then the current cuts are not enough and more need to be made.
PLEASE POST YOUR QUOTE...

they cuts arent enough period...not in the face of no revenue increases...PERIOD!!!

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2011, 04:15:26 PM »
LOL i asked you to point it out to me and you told me to read it myself...

please do point it out...

oh did i?

my response to the above request went a little something like this liar

"jesus read the report before you open your mouth. Nevermind you just believe anything without evidence, a syndrome of your faith. Page 4, on the bottom of the report. I suggest you read past that too an examine the actual underpinnings of what your party has implemented, pure shite."

i gave you the area and exact page LOL, nice try though. You must be only able to read the first 5 words of any response

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2011, 04:16:41 PM »
PLEASE POST YOUR QUOTE...

they cuts arent enough period...not in the face of no revenue increases...PERIOD!!!

why all the lies, i told you to read it yourself did i?

i already posted the quotes, why are you such a liar, isn't it a sin or something? Im starting to feel bad for you.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2011, 04:18:28 PM »
why all the lies, i told you to read it yourself did i?

i already posted the quotes, why are you such a liar, isn't it a sin or something? Im starting to feel bad for you.
ahhh come on now, you were more than willing to post it earlier...

now that your being called out your want to back peddle?

not another correlation is causation backfire?

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2011, 04:21:13 PM »
Hey Necro - do you realize we are getting massive revenue increases just with obamaCare alone?   

500 billion in new taxes you ignorant jackass. 

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2011, 04:24:02 PM »
ahhh come on now, you were more than willing to post it earlier...

now that your being called out your want to back peddle?

not another correlation is causation backfire?

wtf its like two posts above where i pointed out your lie, you said i told you to read it yourself, i then quoted my response to you from that thread where i gave you the exact page (its still there dummy) and section. I literally just showed you lying and you respond with this?

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2011, 04:26:07 PM »
Hey Necro - do you realize we are getting massive revenue increases just with obamaCare alone?   

500 billion in new taxes you ignorant jackass. 

sure, what does that have to do with the report stating facts? the revenue produced and the cuts proposed do not work. The revenue from obamacare does not matter in this debate, what about that cant you understand. I cant respond to you anymore you side track every fucking thread with lies and deception. Once you have run out of ground on one subject you just change gears, if someone posts something about anyone other then obama you bring him up, its an odd obsession. Look at your post count, take a break.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2011, 04:27:32 PM »
wtf its like two posts above where i pointed out your lie, you said i told you to read it yourself, i then quoted my response to you from that thread where i gave you the exact page (its still there dummy) and section. I literally just showed you lying and you respond with this?
just post it man...

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2011, 04:38:37 PM »
just post it man...

no i posted it twice, i dont have the document open im not your internet disc jockey, i gave you the page three times now, the link in the thread and the area of the page.


what do i have to post it ten times? go to the thread its on page 1 of bachmann, its about my fifth post. If you search the regular document its on page 4 at the bottom.






































































































































































We have changed our assumption on this because the majority
of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act


its the last paragraph of the fourth page. It is referring to the thought that the bush tax cuts would be removed, they assume they will remain now. The other section also comments on all this in more depth about cuts and revenue.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2011, 04:59:20 PM »
Ok you stupid liberal obama dildo pieces of fucking trash:

LETS DO THIS AGAIN FOR YOU BRAIN DEAD JERKOFFS

1.  OBAMAA+ SPENT THE FIRST TWO YEARS SPENDING LIKE A CRACK WHORE WHO WON LOTTO 

2.  OBAMAA+ ADDED A NEW ENTITLEMENT TO AN ALREADY OVERBURDENED SYSTEM 

3.  OBAMAA+ REJECTED THE SIMPSON BOWLES RECS OF A YEAR AGO!  (WOULD HAVE AVOIDED DOWNGRADE) 

4.  OBAMAA+ REJECTED THE RYAN PLAN (WOULD HAVE AVOIDED DOWNGRADE)

5.  OBAMAA+ REJECTED CUT, CAP, AND BALANCE (WOULD HAVE REJECTED DOWNGRADE) 

6.  OBAMAA+ NEVER PRESENTED HIS OWN PLAN 

7.  OBAMAA+ REJECTED REID/BOEHNERS' INITIAL PLAN INCLUDING 800 BILLION OF REVENUE (WOULD HAVE AVOIDED DOWNGRADE)

8.  WE ARE SPENDING AT LEVELS AT 23% OF GDP.  HISTORICAL NORMS ARE 18-20%

9.  TAX RECIEPTS ARE TRADITIONALLY 18% OF GDP OR SO. 







THE ISSUE IS SPENDING - NOT TAXES. 

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2011, 05:16:56 PM »
A tax increase in this economy at this moment would be further suicide, it would just further enlarge the government and suck more blood from the host.

It wouldn't raise much in the way of "revenue" anyways as there is 9% U.E, zero real growth and stagnant wages. Taxing the rich makes for a great cliche, a great tag-line and excellent class-warfare garbage but it would be pissing in the ocean, so to speak. You'd have to raise taxes on all brackets to even see any relevant revenue, and yes, that means actually have the 50% of the population that has no income tax liability start to pay their fair share. Anyways, you'll get your tax hike ,that you want so desperately, when the payroll tax cut is rolled back in the near future.

How much more money would that suck out of the economy that is in critical condition?

That's what everyone is missing, you could double the rates and still fall well short of erasing the deficit.

S&P wanted at least 4 trillion in cuts, it didn't get it, so they downgraded the nations credit rating. The political wrangling from both sides influenced the decision as well, no talk of serious entitlement reform (where 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities is) defense cuts or tax reform either.

You can be played by the media/govt. complex and drink down the  distraction propaganda all you want, but facts are facts.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2011, 05:22:52 PM »



Just print mo money!

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #66 on: August 07, 2011, 05:24:40 PM »
We need to cut spending across the board.  Rand Paul has the best plan by far from what I can tell. 

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2011, 05:37:43 PM »
DOW futures already down 258 points and gold flirting with $1700. Thanks, Barack!

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2011, 05:39:46 PM »
DOW futures already down 258 points and gold flirting with $1700. Thanks, Barack!

Bachman and Palins' fault.   


guy!   Why should they be against printing money we dont have! 

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2011, 05:41:30 PM »
Bachman and Palins' fault.   


####!   Why should they be against printing money we dont have! 

ABC's Cokie Roberts blamed it on the Constitution today:

COKIE ROBERTS: This group of people in New York [Standard and Poor’s] is actually talking about more government rather than less government, Congressman. In fact, the reason they like France and Great Britain is because they’re parliamentary systems where the majority gets what it wants no matter what.

And the problem that we have here is the Constitution of the United States of America which actually does require people to come together from different perspectives whether it's divided government or not. We have divided branches of government under any circumstance.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/08/07/cokie-roberts-problem-we-have-here-constitution-united-states-america#ixzz1UOSYyYBq



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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2011, 06:01:48 PM »
no i posted it twice, i dont have the document open im not your internet disc jockey, i gave you the page three times now, the link in the thread and the area of the page.


what do i have to post it ten times? go to the thread its on page 1 of bachmann, its about my fifth post. If you search the regular document its on page 4 at the bottom.
we've changed our assumption on this because the majority
of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise
revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act


its the last paragraph of the fourth page. It is referring to the thought that the bush tax cuts would be removed, they assume they will remain now. The other section also comments on all this in more depth about cuts and revenue.
LOL hahahhaah you took one little blurb about the bush tax cuts something the report says itself that "congress" not simply the reps backed when passing their ext...

and disregarded the entire rest of the report talking about the debt cuts not being enough, the debt ratio growing in regards to GDP

and you get from a 9 page report...one paragraph and thinks its all the tea parties fault?


hahahah

your even better than straw man broham....stick around your idiocy is some needed spice around here.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2011, 06:26:02 PM »
hahahh reading it again they werent talking about their view soley on downgrading but their view on the debt ratio for the upcoming years GIVEN the fact the spending will stay the same or increase....

goodness gracious talk about taking something out of context...

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2011, 06:28:43 PM »
LOL hahahhaah you took one little blurb about the bush tax cuts something the report says itself that "congress" not simply the reps backed when passing their ext...

and disregarded the entire rest of the report talking about the debt cuts not being enough, the debt ratio growing in regards to GDP

and you get from a 9 page report...one paragraph and thinks its all the tea parties fault?


hahahah

your even better than straw man broham....stick around your idiocy is some needed spice around here.

you obviously didnt read the document now did you. I have said all of what you just said, you clearly have issues with reading posts or actually listening to what other people say, perhaps its arrogance or adhd i dont know but i already mentioned all of the above.

im gone to a movie but if you want to continue with this beating i can resume tom, however, im going camping tom afternoon and wont be on for days. you have yourself a good night there tommy. Try reading whats being discussed insted of waiting your turn to speak.

its not out of context, also, ill respond if i get the chance tom, you clearly are reading parts of it. sit down and read it.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2011, 06:36:59 PM »
you obviously didnt read the document now did you. I have said all of what you just said, you clearly have issues with reading posts or actually listening to what other people say, perhaps its arrogance or adhd i dont know but i already mentioned all of the above.

im gone to a movie but if you want to continue with this beating i can resume tom, however, im going camping tom afternoon and wont be on for days. you have yourself a good night there tommy. Try reading whats being discussed insted of waiting your turn to speak.

its not out of context, also, ill respond if i get the chance tom, you clearly are reading parts of it. sit down and read it.
no what you did was take a small paragraph out of context b/c it wasnt even talking about their view on our credit rating only on our debt ratio and try to make it all about the reps and refusing to raise taxes...

quote your posts where you blame obama and his spending...

Ive seen ones where you defend his spending...

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2011, 06:50:47 PM »
no what you did was take a small paragraph out of context b/c it wasnt even talking about their view on our credit rating only on our debt ratio and try to make it all about the reps and refusing to raise taxes...

quote your posts where you blame obama and his spending...

Ive seen ones where you defend his spending...
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