Author Topic: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll (Read 13331 times)

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #50 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:00:44 PM

Absolutely true.

You're insinuating they hadn't spiraled before the Clinton years which isn't true.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:04:55 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 13, 2011, 05:02:09 PM

Pip can you provide link or proof?

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

Dos Equis · « **Reply #52 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:05:10 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:03:27 PM

You're insinuating they hadn't spiraled before the Clinton years which isn't true.

It was the exception, not the rule. The information age has had a big impact too.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #53 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:05:10 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 04:50:13 PM

Oh yes, I'm quite upset. lol . . .

The climate has changed. It's true there has been an element of nastiness in politics throughout our history, but that was the exception, not the rule. You should read up on the Lincoln/Douglas debates. There were some personal attacks, but by and large they talked about the issues, and it involved arguably the most controversial issue in American history.

Things really started to spiral during the Clinton years. Do you remember the Clinton Chronicles? A "documentary" accusing Clinton of murdering opponents? There is an article from about 2000 where a guy (and not some crazy nut) wrote an article claiming Bill Clinton was the Anti-Christ.

I have definitely seen a trend the past twenty years.

You're going to compare past candidate debates to what is said on today's message boards lol? How about you go back and look at the stuff that was published, some it got pretty mean in what was suggested. Some of the cartoons got pretty nasty too. whole books were publish to spew dirt against a candidate or president. Plus they were able to get away with complete lies easier back then. Lincoln was called the devil, an anti-christ and all that too.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #54 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:07:52 PM »

Obama and his admn have called me a bitter clinger, a potential terrorist, a hostage taker, etc.

Yeah politics has been raw. Lol.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #55 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:10:06 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:05:10 PM

It was the exception, not the rule.

So what, it had "spiraled" long before Clinton.

You've got a god given gift for bullshiting people, I must say.

OzmO · « **Reply #56 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:10:30 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:04:55 PM

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

Hahahahahaahahahahaahhaa h

God told her to be a socialist?

OzmO · « **Reply #57 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:11:03 PM »

And you guys think she's going to be different? Hahahaahahahaahah

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #58 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:11:52 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 13, 2011, 05:10:30 PM

Hahahahahaahahahahaahhaah

God told her to be a socialist?

haha

I've honestly tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, because I so dislike these liberals that automatically hate her and Palin. I can't though, she's an ignorant bitch. No way around that fact.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #59 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:12:06 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2011, 05:05:10 PM

You're going to compare past candidate debates to what is said on today's message boards lol? How about you go back and look at the stuff that was published, some it got pretty mean in what was suggested. Some of the cartoons got pretty nasty too. whole books were publish to spew dirt against a candidate or president. Plus they were able to get away with complete lies easier back then. Lincoln was called the devil, an anti-christ and all that too.

I'm talking about degree and frequency. Also, as I mentioned a minute ago, the information age has changed things. Online news, tabloid, websites, blogs, etc.

I created a left-wing hate speech thread that has numerous examples of how people are demonized because they have a different political viewpoint.

What's funny is I was just discussing this issue with an Obama-bot the other day. She actually told me that the "vitriol" directed against Obama is unprecedented. I was trying to give her examples of what happened with Clinton and Bush II, but it didn't go very well. lol . . .

Dos Equis · « **Reply #60 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:12:58 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:10:06 PM

So what, it had "spiraled" long before Clinton.

You've got a god given gift for bullshiting people, I must say.

No it didn't. Go do some reading.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #61 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:13:43 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:12:58 PM

No it didn't. Go do some reading.

I don't need to, you honestly crack me up!!!

Dos Equis · « **Reply #62 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:14:07 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 13, 2011, 05:11:03 PM

And you guys think she's going to be different? Hahahaahahahaahah

Different than Obama? No question. Some kind of savior? No way. None of the candidates running is some kind of Messiah.

OzmO · « **Reply #63 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:14:22 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:04:55 PM

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

Bump for 333333

Dos Equis · « **Reply #64 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:14:56 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:13:43 PM

I don't need to, you honestly crack me up!!!

This board is great entertainment.

OzmO · « **Reply #65 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:16:58 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:14:07 PM

Different than Obama? No question. Some kind of savior? No way. None of the candidates running is some kind of Messiah.

Different than the whole bunch. OB is in a league of his own. The mear fact she voted for this tells me she is as 333333 might put it.... A commy traitor socialist....nice woman from Brooklyn.

OzmO · « **Reply #66 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:17:45 PM »

How can she even claim to be a conservative? Does the tea party know? Hahahahaah

Dos Equis · « **Reply #67 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:19:20 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 13, 2011, 05:16:58 PM

Different than the whole bunch. OB is in a league of his own. The mear fact she voted for this tells me she is as 333333 might put it.... A commy traitor socialist....nice woman from Brooklyn.

lol.

I think she has been pretty consistent. Not perfect, but consistent. I'm not excited about anyone in the race, although I like what I read about Perry's background today.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #68 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:19:39 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 13, 2011, 05:04:55 PM

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/michele_bachmann.htm

Didn't she also request a lot of stim money? If I remember right she did.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #69 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:21:56 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 13, 2011, 05:10:30 PM

Hahahahahaahahahahaahhaah

God told her to be a socialist?

where was that?

OzmO · « **Reply #70 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:19:20 PM

lol. I think she has been pretty consistent. Not perfect, but consistent. I'm not excited about anyone in the race, although I like what I read about Perry's background today.

I don't know maybe in some areas she is. I should read through that link. But to vote yes to 193 billion in more stimulus, makes her inconsistent in my eyes when you consider the amount.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #71 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:25:51 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on August 13, 2011, 05:12:06 PM

I'm talking about degree and frequency. Also, as I mentioned a minute ago, the information age has changed things. Online news, tabloid, websites, blogs, etc.

I created a left-wing hate speech thread that has numerous examples of how people are demonized because they have a different political viewpoint.

What's funny is I was just discussing this issue with an Obama-bot the other day. She actually told me that the "vitriol" directed against Obama is unprecedented. I was trying to give her examples of what happened with Clinton and Bush II, but it didn't go very well. lol . . .

yes and thanks to the way information travels today the impact of lies and attacks is less. People can respond right away. Back then when something was published and circulated, it wasn't so easy to defend against. The shit flew plenty back then. It's odd that you think it was less. Well there were a lot less people so it was probably less in that regard, that's not much of a defense.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #72 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:26:10 PM »

Lmao at this thread. Any gop candidate will be judged in realtion to obama.

Anyone even remotely comparing bachmann to obama is delusional.

Ron paul did great - but holy fuck - why the bachmann hate? Especially from those of you who are silent on the shit bama does that is a million times worse?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #73 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:27:11 PM »

Michele Bachmann Repeatedly Sought Stimulus, EPA, Other Government Funds
http://www.hcdem.org/bboard/?p=432

OzmO · « **Reply #74 on:** August 13, 2011, 05:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on August 13, 2011, 05:21:56 PM

where was that?

We had this big discussion/debate about a month ago about MB having conversations with god. It's on a thread some place. I am sure 33333's skills at finding old threads could find it. I got indirectly accused of having a double standard. Hahahaahhahahaha. Michelle looks like she has the double standard market covered for now.