optimal cycle length?

[Audioslave]

What do you all feel is the optimal length for a test cycle? I had planned to run test e for 8 weeks but had to take a week off in between, so I lengthened it to 10 weeks and switched to Prop, but now I have to take another trip (and week off) so I'm thinking I should go back to long eater test and go to 16 weeks to lean out. Thoughts?

[Schmoe Buster]

To be honest, optimal length is until you die or get bored with training and dont care to be a twink with no libido

[Stavios]

1000000 weeks

[tbombz]

1000000 weeks

and thats a tad bit on the conservative side

[Stavios]

and thats a tad bit on the conservative side

 

[lesaucer]

best thing you can do is to run only 2 cycles a year.... 6 months each cycle, you'll have great results, bro

[Schmoe Buster]

best thing you can do is to run only 2 cycles a year.... 6 months each cycle, you'll have great results, bro

LOL

[nosleep]

CYCLING GETS U NO WHERE...OR REALLY ULL JUST LOOK/FEEL BETTER WHILE ON...AND LOOK/FEEL WORSE WHILE OFF.

UR NOT GONNA CONVINCE AN AAS-USING SOUL THAT EVEN IF U TAKE  OUT THE (MILI)GRAMS OF AAS THEY ARE ON, THEY'LL LOOK THE SAME WITHOUT. ITS ALL DRUGS.

[Audioslave]

I'm not jacked to the point that I'm going to lose all my gains while off cycle, so just looking to optimize what I'm doing. I didn't know if there was any pertinent research on X-length cycle being too long and causing too much shutdown, or making it too hard to recover from a cycle. That kind of thing.

[Meso_z]

1000000 weeks

[Arnold jr]

I'm not jacked to the point that I'm going to lose all my gains while off cycle, so just looking to optimize what I'm doing. I didn't know if there was any pertinent research on X-length cycle being too long and causing too much shutdown, or making it too hard to recover from a cycle. That kind of thing.

When I got my HRT script this year and was talking to the doctor who was actually a hormone specialist, not a general practitioner he said that continuous use while necessary for many who suffer from low levels could damage natural production ability later on in life if you reach a point where that is need or desired. I asked him for a specific time frame, simply making conversation and trying to pick his brain but he couldn't offer me one. He did state however and this is something I've been saying for years, that frequent HCG use over a long period of time is one of the leading causes of testosterone production deficiency in men as regular use will end up leading to the body no longer being able to produce its own LH. Even so, he is a fan of HCG, simply not in the way many use it. Personally I like HCG but only during PCT periods and I see very little use for it during a cycle.

So the bottom line, there is no specific answer but if you are worried about your natural production then yes, you do need breaks. Others on here will scoff at this and say that's ridiculous but it's simply the truth. I'm living proof that long term heavy use can permanently cause severe low natural testosterone levels....I'll be on HRT the rest of my life. Not that I mind but if that's something you want to avoid you need to plan accordingly.

[The Wizard of Truth]

To be honest, optimal length is until you die or get bored with training and dont care to be a twink with no libido

I echo that
Only the last year ive realised coming off is for idiots and homos

[tlc]

I'm 40, and as of ten weeks ago I feel 20 again. I'm coming off when they pry that test vial from my cold dead hands.

[Stavios]

I echo that
Only the last year ive realised coming off is for idiots and homos

LMAO 

[Schmoe Buster]

I echo that
Only the last year ive realised coming off is for idiots and homos

Could'nt agree more

[nosleep]

I'm not jacked to the point that I'm going to lose all my gains while off cycle, so just looking to optimize what I'm doing. I didn't know if there was any pertinent research on X-length cycle being too long and causing too much shutdown, or making it too hard to recover from a cycle. That kind of thing.

EVENTUALLY...ULL LOSE ALL GAINS. 6MONTHS OR SO. UR NOT GONNA BE AS BIG AS U WERE ON 500MG,750MG, A GRAM OF AAS THEN TAKE IT OUT...

[makaveli25]

Man I'm really thinking about just staying on. Not full blown but always have something in my blood even if it's just ten mg of dbol with some other supplements. Just doesn't seem worth it to come off anymore. I'm not even sure If I want to bring any kids in to this shitty fucked up world anymore. So mine as well. Time to start stockpiling.

[Rearden Metal]

Man I'm really thinking about just staying on. Not full blown but always have something in my blood even if it's just ten mg of dbol with some other supplements. Just doesn't seem worth it to come off anymore. I'm not even sure If I want to bring any kids in to this shitty fucked up world anymore. So mine as well. Time to start stockpiling weapons and canned foods.

FYP-

My thoughts are if you feel like taking a break, start by reducing to HRT dose of test only for like 90 days, then take a shot only every other week for another 90 days... then if you feel like really taking a break, do it then. Stay on 5iu gh as long as you can.

[Meso_z]

Could'nt agree more

Lets hope we wont regret it in the long run

I mean when family and carreer gets in the way...maybe health problems etc...what me, you and everybody else do?

Its a real risk..wild card.

"staying on", "blasting & cruising"...sounds good..in a perfect world. 

[lesaucer]

Lets hope we wont regret it in the long run

I mean when family and carreer gets in the way...maybe health problems etc...what me, you and everybody else do?

Its a real risk..wild card.

"staying on", "blasting & cruising"...sounds good..in a perfect world. 

yea bro your right.. ronnie,dorian,levrone are all dying and no one of them was able to conceive a baby

[Stavios]

yea bro your right.. ronnie,dorian,levrone are all dying and no one of them was able to conceive a baby

yeah but you never know bro

on another hand, you can take jack shit and get sick anyway

[Arnold jr]

You're absolutely right, you never know. Real life shit happens....unfortunately as hard as it may be to believe training and taking gear is not the end all be all and I know that falls on a lot of deaf ears because I had the same deaf ears before.

I know guys who cannot have kids and it's more than like gear related and I know plenty who do...it's one of those things you can't predict. Steroids can be great but they're not without cost.

[Stavios]

You're absolutely right, you never know. Real life shit happens....unfortunately as hard as it may be to believe training and taking gear is not the end all be all and I know that falls on a lot of deaf ears because I had the same deaf ears before.

I know guys who cannot have kids and it's more than like gear related and I know plenty who do...it's one of those things you can't predict. Steroids can be great but they're not without cost.

Exactly !

I am all for using gear, mega dosing and shooting GHona till my feet are 20 inches long. But I won't put my head in the sand regarding the risks, there are some for sure.


are they that bad ?
who knows

[local hero]

its a c.unt comming off, but i still think its best to have some off time here n there, even if its 6 or so weeks just for health, u dont loose that much

i had 2 n half year off and gained everything back in a couple of months

i do agree the 12 weeks on 12 weeks off type thing is totaly pointless and will get you no where...

what i like to do is have the summer on... chill out during winter, maybe a little cycle at christmass at the most

it all depends on your goals....

[lesaucer]

i prefer to be jacked and tan for the rest of my life than having a child