Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler, and Shawn Ray roundtable

[cephissus]

hahah shawn ray "6 foot 6 foot 6 foot"

poor guy

[purenaturalstrength]

crazy triceps

[bigbobs]

i love this video, amazing how much hate these guys have for eachother and try to laugh it off

Like NASSER always said, there are no "friendships" in bodybuilding (responding to people accusing him of backtalking his "friends" in his post-retirement interviews)

[purenaturalstrength]

Like NASSER always said, there are no "friendships" in bodybuilding (responding to people accusing him of backtalking his "friends" in his post-retirement interviews)

insulina+fridge=friends
ronnie+shawn+flex=friends
DJ+insulina=friends
ronnie+gregg valentino=friends

?

no?

[deadz]

Dex was gifted a year won't happen EVER again, mark my words, boys.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Like NASSER always said, there are no "friendships" in bodybuilding (responding to people accusing him of backtalking his "friends" in his post-retirement interviews)

No Nasser didn't always say that , Nasser marketed himself as the ' Good guy ' the likable pro , Mr Friendly when his career tanked and he got bitter he badmouthed everyone and mad himself look like a tool

[purenaturalstrength]

Dex was gifted a year won't happen EVER again, mark my words, boys.

where did you get this classified informations? 

[Parker]

They had a rivalry, there is no hate...

[biff]

i don't understand why cutler wins. i get it, he's wide, but so is dennis wolf, so then why isn't wolf winning

and if width is so great why didnt dennis james win

...and if just about 'mass and conditioning' why doesnt paco win every show?

[purenaturalstrength]

...and if just about 'mass and conditioning' why does paco win every show?

bodybuilding judging...how does it work

[NarcissisticDeity]

They had a rivalry, there is no hate...

Parker you know better than that , there was NO rivalry between Jay and Ronnie , Ronnie was his superior until he got hurt , Flex and Ronnie had the rivalry they could and would go tit-for-tat in contests until Ronnie worked with The Chad , if Ronnie lost to Flex in an Olympia he wouldn't have minded as much as Jay because he deemed Flex as worthy of beating him

[bigbobs]

No Nasser didn't always say that , Nasser marketed himself as the ' Good guy ' the likable pro , Mr Friendly when his career tanked and he got bitter he badmouthed everyone and mad himself look like a tool

he spoke similar opinions during his career towards Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Dennis Newman, perhaps others too I'm forgetting now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

bodybuilding judging...how does it work

here you go 


When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[NarcissisticDeity]

he spoke similar opinions during his career towards Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Dennis Newman, perhaps others too I'm forgetting now.

Not to the extent he did after he retired

[smoothasf]

Gh15 is Ron Coleman mark my word

[Parker]

Parker you know better than that , there was NO rivalry between Jay and Ronnie , Ronnie was his superior until he got hurt , Flex and Ronnie had the rivalry they could and would go tit-for-tat in contests until Ronnie worked with The Chad , if Ronnie lost to Flex in an Olympia he wouldn't have minded as much as Jay because he deemed Flex as worthy of beating him

I was more referring to Shawn, Flex, Ronnie, one could add Dorian and shawn's relationship as well...They came from an era of quality

i do agree with you, plus it was due to Ronnie's prodding that Flex came out of his "retirement"...Ronnie enjoyed the rivalry, and deemed Flex "as worthy of beating him"....

[purenaturalstrength]

Gh15 is Ron Coleman mark my word

ABSOLUTELY NOT


the way GH15 talks about penis size and black genetics makes it very obvious he's a white guy

pretty sure ronnie coleman doesn't even know there are actually penises under 7"

[Reeves]

I just watched the video and can state that I really saw no animosity towards Cutler from Coleman or the others.  What I did see was highly competitive men discussing their bodybuilding careers and being candid about loses, but with a sense of humor about them.

The same holds true for the Cutler videos about Dexter and Ronnie.  In much  the same way as Pumping Iron, when it comes to the rivalries between competitors, these videos are more of a "mini-mockumentary" than anything else.  Yes, every competitor wants to win and generally thinks they should have won, but again I noticed no genuine hatred for other competitors from Jay.

This attitude from all the people involved in these film clips was, to be honest, quite refreshing. 

[Fortress]

There is no friggin' way Flex ever had the capacity to squat 600, for a single or reps. Ronnie, yes, totally, and Shawn was a much better squatter than Flex, and he was maybe good for, oh, I don't know, six-ish for maybe two or, at most, three.

Wheeler just cannot stop lying. Or he actually belives his own bullshit. And as far as him being "natural" for that one show, he sure as shit had stuff in his veins during the contest prep. His system was definitely not cleaned out. 

[apply85]

lol at someone stepping onto olympia stage natural, shawn and ron don't even crack a smile when he says it, they'd don't even flinch

[musclecenter]

[mesmorph78]

http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/md-interviews/4056-the-md-roundtable-part-4-ronnie-coleman-flex-wheeler-and-shawn-ray.html

completely agree.. today's pros ... LAZY as hell
heath wolf etc lazy... and ALL DRUGS

[dr.chimps]

That's just 3 Black men's opinions.     

[mesmorph78]

That's just 3 Black men's opinions.     

[NarcissisticDeity]

http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/md-interviews/4056-the-md-roundtable-part-4-ronnie-coleman-flex-wheeler-and-shawn-ray.html

completely agree.. today's pros ... LAZY as hell
heath wolf etc lazy... and ALL DRUGS

Did you miss the part where Flex said Heath reminds him of all three of them? or that he's the future of bodybuilding? Heath isn't any more ' ALL DRUGS ' than any of them were