Typical Obama Voter

[makaveli25]

so i WAS right, when your grandfather was forced to work as part of a community and live in a society where ownership is spread among everyone instead of given to individuals, he betrayed his countrymen and left them with one less contributing member of society, as you describe it a very productive member of society at that, and left for another country where he would be allowed to work alone, for himself, and no longer be a part of a community.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That land was his. Why the fuck should the Goverement just take it away from him. You a fucken marixist if you really beleive that. Christ man. That is called STEALING dipshit!
People in those Eastern Block Countries suffered bad!! You need to get your head out of your ass.

He betrayed his Country men are you fucking kidding me. They should make a God damn movie about how awesome my Grandpa is. He escaped a communist fucken Country TWICE! WIth a bunch of little kids he had to feed and keep quit. He did more with his life then most of us could ever dream of!

[Butterbean]

so i WAS right, when your grandfather was forced to work as part of a community and live in a society where ownership is spread among everyone instead of given to individuals, he betrayed his countrymen and left them with one less contributing member of society, as you describe it a very productive member of society at that, and left for another country where he would be allowed to work alone, for himself, and no longer be a part of a community.

I don't understand this thinking.  Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?

Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?

[Devon97]

ever heard of pay roll tax? sales tax? theres a tax on just about every type of economic activity. EVERYONE pays taxes.

But not everyone pays income tax. In fact 50% .. yes thats FIFTY PERCENT of this country DO NOT PAY income taxes. But they do get govt handouts, that us taxpayers subsidize.

Now, I'd like to hear from the good Dr. Chimpps how those derelicts "pay".

Like I said, this should be fun.  

[makaveli25]

I don't understand this thinking.  Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?

Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?

This is very extremely dangerous thinking. Very bad bad thinking.

[tonymctones]

^^ HAHAHA      

You disagree with what I said dizzle or just find it funny that my job pays me to go to these seminars that are put on by a finance association I belong to as part of my job as an analyst?

whats your pedigree?

economics class?

kewl....

[tbombz]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That land was his. Why the fuck should the Goverement just take it away from him. You a fucken marixist if you really beleive that. Christ man. That is called STEALING dipshit!

marxism, communism, is a poltical ideology in which the people work together, not as individuals. everyone loses the right to ownership, from your granfather the farmer to the wealthiest of the wealthy.

did you know that about 50% of the worlds resources (50% of the worlds wealth) is owned by only about 2% of the population?  80% of the wealth is owned by 10% of the population.

when so much of the planets resources and wealth is in the hands of private individuals it is impossible for the human race to reach its full potential.

the idea behind marxism is to create a world full of wealth, where everyone is equal, and where everyone participates in society and contributes to the economy.

you complain about liberals feeling entitled and you correlate liberalism with marxism.. but did you know that marx would have let the lazy starve and die before ever giving them any kind of handout?  communism is a system where everyone has to contribute or else they do not get to participate in consumption.




now, im not advoacting communism as i think its not realistic, but in a perfect world where we could trust that there would be zero corruption then communism would be the ideal form of government.


my point was only to show you the other side of the story. your grandfather would rather work as an individual than as part of a community.

[tbombz]

I don't understand this thinking.  Bombz do you consider this a liberal position?

Do the others here that consider themselves liberal concur that this is liberal thinking or is is mostly tbombz thinking?

LOL

i was merely trying to get makaveli to stop thinking like a republican drone and startt to think critically.

im sure his grandfather is a wonderful man.

but the point remains, his country was trying to create a community of people working together to promote the common good, and his grandfather resisted to become part of his community, instead he went where he could continue to be an individual.

as a theist i would expect you to be in full support of the communist ideal, a community of souls working together as opposed to individuals working alone and against eachother.

[tbombz]

But not everyone pays income tax. In fact 50% .. yes thats FIFTY PERCENT of this country DO NOT PAY income taxes. But they do get govt handouts, that us taxpayers subsidize.

Now, I'd like to hear from the good Dr. Chimpps how those derelicts "pay".

Like I said, this should be fun.  

so payroll tax and sales tax arent real taxes?   

[makaveli25]

my point was only to show you the other side of the story. your grandfather would rather work as an individual than as part of a community.

Well you made a shitty fucken point. You want to have the Goverement just take everything from you? Beat your ass if you get lippy. They execute you in a public forum if you say one bad thing about the Goverement. They will have the teachers at school tell the kids rat their parents out if they over hear them speaking badly. No free speach, No rights, My grandfather had his rifles taken, had a whole flock of sheep taken, cattle and farmland taken. You can't see why he wanted to get his family the fuck out of there?!

Get the dick out our ass and try to think. People like you need a crash course in reality. You need to be dropped off in some shithole communist country. Lets see how they like your lifestyle over there. No more being a bisexual for you! No more using steroids. No more working out whenever you want. You need a reality check.

[Devon97]

so payroll tax and sales tax arent real taxes?  

Income tax bro. The shit you pay the IRS.... wait you must be in the 50% that that is exempt 

BTW- If you're out of work and steal then no, payroll & sales tax don't affect you

[tbombz]

Well you made a shitty fucken point. You want to have the Goverement just take everything from you? Beat your ass if you get lippy. They execute you in a public forum if you say one bad thing about the Goverement. They will have the teachers at school tell the kids rat their parents out if they over hear them speaking badly. No free speach, No rights, My grandfather had his rifles taken, had a whole flock of sheep taken, cattle and farmland taken. You can't see why he wanted to get his family the fuck out of there?!

Get the dick out our ass and try to think. People like you need a crash course in reality. You need to be dropped off in some shithole communist country. Lets see how they like your lifestyle over there. No more being a bisexual for you! No more using steroids. No more working out whenever you want. You need a reality check.

that isnt communism, youve never even read marx have you     just because a country labels itself communist and half way attempts to mimic the communist economic system doesnt mean its actually communism.  the fact is that communism cant work, and thats why it never has. there is no leader and there no checks and balances, its extremely succeptible to corruption and there is really no way for the people to change anything since communism doesnt actually have any kind of real government.  marx said to get rid of private property, have the people work as a community, and thats about it. he didnt specify how it shoudl be done, how it could be kept running properly, or anything. communism is doomed to fail and thats why every country who tries it turns to shit. not because the liberal ideology is flawed but because those who try to imitate the idealistic system marx outlined dont understand its weaknesses and inevitable fall to totalitarianism and corruption.

[tbombz]

Income tax bro.

BTW- If you're out of work and steal then no, payroll & sales tax don't affect you

you said 50% of americans dont pay taxes. unemployment is at 9%? lmao, yup 50% of americans, stealing and paying zero taxes.  jackass

[WillGrant]

[dr.chimps]

Translation = I dont live in america and I am too scared to admit as I would risk being seen as an elitist liberal blowhard commenting on american politics.

So what country are you in?

Realer translation: You don't like what I'm saying, so you're coming up with any such nonsense to try to invalidate my comments. Grow up, short pants.    

[Howard]

I dont think you understand my point, I am talking about stagnating businesses and investors b/c they were unsure of what was going to happen. If he knew that he was going to extend the tax cuts a year out, why did he wait? he simply inject uncertainty into the markets and business...

every legal worker has the opportunity to get a decent wage...if youre working in a warehouse doing manual labor dont complain about making 10 bucks an hour(not you personally). If you think your job isnt paying you fair wages, go find a company that will. If no company is willing to pay you more money for your work then it isnt the business, ITS YOUR SKILLS THATS THE PROBLEM.

No every worker is not entitled to insurance, you must meet certain requirements as it should be. It is a right of full time workers not every worker...

You dont seem to understand bro this bill is going to hurt the middle class...who holds the majority of insurance policies? it isnt the super rich or the poor...

how do you think requiring insurance companies to insure anyone at anytime is going to help the prices? its not its going to raise them

whos going to pay that raise in premiums? The middle class...

you are much older than me I would say, I have plenty of work experience ive been working since around the age of 13 or so
LOL neither wants to look out for the middle class bro, obama isnt doing anything except decimating the middle class...

I wanted a public option and not to have Ins companies get 50 million new clients and have the GOV subsidize the broke ass welfare class.
So yes, I agree that final Obama bill was not my ideal one.
Look I have Ed D in science ed and masters in physics but have huge respct for those how work hard and do stuff that neeeds to be done.
People who work hard at basic labor jobs deserve a decent wage and health care.
I hate lazy people and that is why I respect and want to reward those who are willing to work hard  at low skill labor jobs.
Want to justify an end to welfare and all public aid? Make working hard a path to a decent living. All that requires is character and effort!
Oh, I'm 52 and a baseball fan  and enjoy sitting in caves hahaha

[tbombz]

I wanted a public option and not to have Ins companies get 50 million new clients and have the GOV subsidize the broke ass welfare class.
So yes, I agree that final Obama bill was not my ideal one.
Look I have Ed D in science ed and masters in physics but have huge respct for those how work hard and do stuff that neeeds to be done.
People who work hard at basic labor jobs deserve a decent wage and health care.
I hate lazy people and that is why I respect and want to reward those who are willing to work hard  at low skill labor jobs.
Want to justify an end to welfare and all public aid? Make working hard a path to a decent living. All that requires is character and effort!
Oh, I'm 52 and a baseball fan  and enjoy sitting in caves hahaha

howard your a level headed man  

[Butterbean]

LOL

i was merely trying to get makaveli to stop thinking like a republican drone and startt to think critically.

im sure his grandfather is a wonderful man.

but the point remains, his country was trying to create a community of people working together to promote the common good, and his grandfather resisted to become part of his community, instead he went where he could continue to be an individual.

as a theist i would expect you to be in full support of the communist ideal, a community of souls working together as opposed to individuals working alone and against eachother.

I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.

I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.

But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption? 

bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli  has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that. 

What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people?  See what I'm saying

[dr.chimps]

howard your a good man  

x2   Except for the sitting in a cave nonsense. And the girls farting stuff. And the Chickster Man-Love. And the ex-wife on the tombstone.  

/baseball stuff is a-ok, tho

[Butterbean]

And the ex-wife on the tombstone.  

I wondered if this would be mentioned lol

[makaveli25]

I don't know why I make or get into these political threads. I'm not gonna do it anymore. I like most everyone on here and I don't like creating enemies. Bodybuidling boards have a lot of different characters.

[Howard]

Your a traitor TA don't you see that. Liberals are traitors. Who do you think the founding fathers would side with if they could somehow come to this time period? They would join right with the tea party! If you don't think so you're an idiot. And I do know my history. The democrats were the ones who started the KKK. They are the true racists. They're the ones who have put blacks and other minorities in the hell they are in now. They don't want to fucken help them they just want their vote. They suckered black people!
I don't hate them but I'm not dumb I know a great deal of violence and crime comes from them.

Really? Hmm lets follow the money.
tea party patriots funded by > Freedom works PAC >Dick Army> $$$ lobby for major corperations = dupe the middle class*

* skew the real issue with emotional rhetoric on: the founding fathers!!!!, evil gay rights, race issues  and social issues while they take $$$ and bennefits from the middle class to give more tax breaks to the uber wealthy. Hmmmm, keep drinking the kool aid.  

[Butterbean]

I don't know why I make or get into these political threads. I'm not gonna do it anymore. I like most everyone on here and I don't like creating enemies. Bodybuidling boards have a lot of different characters.

 

[tbombz]

I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.

I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.

But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption? 

bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli  has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that. 

What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people?  See what I'm saying

i am not arguing for communism as it is unworkable for several reason.

but as an idealistic ideology it can be defended.. in a perfect world, it could work, and it would indeed be the BEST possible system

would there be a drive to start business? yes, absolutely. you must look at the alternative. if people didnt work, didnt start business, didnt make innovative new technologies... they wouldnt reap the reward of any of those things. if they didnt grow and raise food, they wouldnt eat.  do you think money has any real value, except for the material goods it represents?   people will be just as motivated, nay even more motivated, in a community working together as they would if they were in a capitalistic system working for themselves and against eachother.

your question about corruption and not being free. these are why communism cant work and its only an idealistic dream. now, in a true communistic society, there would be no corrution and people would be completely free. its only when things go wrong that you encounter those negatives.

would i share my weed and pizza? of course i would! "you can be god, but if youve got no one to share it with being god doesnt mean shit"  

[dr.chimps]

I see what you are saying about a community of souls working together as opposed to "against" one another, but like you said before, it's unrealistic.

I wonder if the desire to start up businesses/products etc would exist fervently in a Communist society....businesses that provide jobs etc.

But even if they did and were carried out, what of the tendency of men toward corruption? 

bombz also I think maybe you're not recognizing the other stuff makaveli  has posted about the people not actually being "free" in a society like that. 

What if you had a pound of weed and one of those pizzas and then the government came and took most of it from you to redistribute to other people?  See what I'm saying

No. Many 'communes' have been attempted, like Amana or the Burley Colony. They all just collapsed under the wight of human greed, sexuality or corruption. We are just shitty animals, and don't like to share.    

[Butterbean]

Burley Colony.

Take out the e and this thread is bodybuilding related!